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  1. Folks: I want to set up a NAS for my house for audio files only. This will be my first NAS. I currently have about 1 to 1.5 TB of audio files including a modest number of HiRes files and 44/16 in FLAC and a fairly large collection of ISO files (from SACDs). I am sure that my wife and I will continue to purchase digital files (both HiRes and 44/16) but we spend most of our listening time listening through Roon (our own files plus Tidal CD-quality). So, although we may need to expand later, I think one of the Synology ds216 models (ds216, ds216se, ds216play) with two WD Red NAS 4TB drives and a couple of WD external drives (WDBFJK0040HBK-NESN) for backup (one local one stored at my office) would allow me to serve our existing collection and to learn about the care and feeding of a NAS. Although broader advice is welcome, my primary question at this point is: Which model of the ds216? Thanks, Mike
  2. This is a somewhat complicated issue; I've always run my iTunes Music Files from an external hard drive because I have an extensive music library (more then 1 TB). As my library has grown so have the number of iMac's and MacBooks in my office studio. I purchased a Drobo 5N NAS box and decided that since I work at different computers doing different tasks at different times, copying my ext h/d iTunes music files and library file to the NAS, all computers regardless of which one I was working from could play music. I setup the music library the same way on my NAS as it was on my ext h/d identical to the way it is setup on my MacBook h/d, (Music/iTunes/iTunes Media/Music). When I tried playing music from my MacBook with iTunes pointing to the *.itl file on the NAS, the music started skipping intermittently. Disappointed ( didn't allow for the NAS time to optimize, my fault). I moved my library back to my external drive off of one of my MacBook's. I rebuilt the *.itl file all over again. But what happened, with the NAS turned off, when I brought up iTunes, iTunes would open up a dialogue box stating the NAS was not mounted. I would close the dialog box and search for an album, and try to play it and get another dialog box saying file not found. After looking at my MacBook h/d and my external h/d, I realized that the *.itl file on my ext h/d was in kb and the *.itl file on my MacBook h/d was in MB. In other words, altho I pointed iTunes to my iTunes Media folder on my ext h/d, it was updating the *.itl file on my MacBook's iTunes Media Folder instead and this was the current iTunes Library File. To add to my own nemesis, I continued seeing a lot of duplicate music files. I use TuneUp as a support utility to keep my library clean and ran the "find duplicates" function. Lucky for me, it archives all duplicate files to a specified folder. When the utility finished running I continued to see duplicate music files and files not found in many albums so I did a CMD + I on the files and realized that it was looking at files in my ext h/d and in the NAS. Keep in mind that my NAS has been turned off all the time during this entire exercise. So 2 problems occurred. First I thought the *.itl file on my ext h/d was the current library db when it was the one on my MacBook that was being updated. So was I suppose to be pointing iTunes to the ext h/d *.itl file and not the iTunes Media folder? And second; I some how combined the the *.itl db on the NAS with the one on my MacBook *.itl drive and need to fix this. With all this explained, my problem is how to I go about fixing my iTunes Library (itl) file. And could I follow the initial concept of running my iTunes library from the Drobo NAS?
  3. I'm trying to get my Logitech Transport to get acquainted with my QNAP TS 419 P+ I cannot get either device to register on my Wi-Fi network. The Transport works if connected to a Cisco router via RJ/E, but that does NOT work for the QNAP. I am now attempting to connect by RJ/E to the NAS; QMusic recognizes the NAS and creates a db. BUT, I am connected by USB to Toslink (Cambridge X3) from NAS to Logitech, then by Toslink from Logitech to Arcam DAC. Silence. The VU meters on the Logitech are deflecting, and the display correctly IDs the music stream from the NAS. A Sonos and a cd player both work via Toslink/USB, through the Cambridge with the Arcam. The Transport does NOT work streaming Tidal (yes, I do have a subscription) via the Transport's analog out (RCA) connection. What's up? Do I need to face East and genuflect? Swearing is not effective.
  4. Hi All, After 2 frustrating attempts I've finally conquered Roon Attempt 1 - core installed on Dell XPS months ago. Could not get it to see my renderer for the life of me and threw in the towel Attempt 2 - installed again on XPS because my new DAC happened to be Roon Ready so figured it was worth a shot. Sound quality terrible tho and kept cutting out. Probably due to many factors including laptop noise, Windows not being optimised and sending over busy WiFi rather than wired. Saw enough in the whole Roon user experience to warrant attempt 3 and to my shock found it very easy to install it on my QNAP HS-251+ (2GB) NAS (running a 1 TB Samsung SSD). Setup is Roon Server on the NAS. Ethernet to the DAC via a switch. And using my Android phone as a control point. Sound quality is great! I'm also looking to add optical isolation to the ethernet path as per my previous post: So I've read all the stuff about Roon needing 4GB RAM. And clearly a lot of people here go to serious effort and expense to optimise there setups for Roon. So I guess I'm wondering if I should call it job done and sit back and enjoy. Or whether I'm missing anything. In terms of Roon functionality with just Server and Control point am I missing any UX? In terms of the all important SQ. So far it's sounding great to me. I've streamed my own Hi Res PCM Flac files flawlessly and Tidal Masters MQA. And this is on a £600 NAS/SSD option. So I'm wondering what a £1500/2000 dedicated server / fanless computer brings to the table? Same question for the Innuos / Melco and those sort of audiophile servers? Is it a pure SQ thing where on paper at least they outperform my QNAP? Or is it more options like being able to push via USB rather than pull via Ethernet? For the record I'm most likely to stick with the NAS. Unless of course you knowledgable folks can convince me there's a night and day difference and leave me with a dilemma Cheers, Alan
  5. Some questions about upgrading my Synology NAS, now 3.5 years old (DS213). The immediate problem is that the 2TB discs are getting full. I can buy either 4TB or 6TB replacements (8TB would be overkill). IIUC manufacturers make higher-capacity discs by squeezing the tracks closer together. I imagine that this makes larger discs more prone to failure, but don't really know. The 6TB units would of course go longer without filling up. On the other hand, my offsite backup system has been to rotate two portable WD Passport drives, which have a maximum size of 4TB, so I would need to find another solution if I went with the larger drives. I have used WD Red discs with good success and will probably get them again unless someone knows a specific reason not to. Comments? It looks like digital audio and I are in for a long-term relationship, so I would like to move to a file system that provides better protection against file degradation (bitrot). Since I have to get new discs, this might be the time to invest in an updated NAS, although my DS213 is still working well. I've been happy with Synology, both hardware and software, but would consider a different brand. Synology offers the BTRFS system on their DS216+II. This unit would meet my needs, although there are a couple of odd things about it (no USB 3.0 port on the back, mainly). The fact that Synology has upgraded the DS216+ to a Mk II suggests that there may not be a DS217+, but I don't know. I can wait 2-4 months until my discs get too full for comfort, and I would hate to buy a new NAS soon only to see a better one appear right after. Does anybody know about this? Anyone have experience with a DS216+? I'd be happy to consider other brands in the same price/performance range as the DS216 if they offer a more secure file system; suggestions?
  6. Hello everyone, I ordered a Microrendu yesterday and today I am searching for solutions to build my system. After several hours of research, I am still not sure if my understanding is correct: 1. SSD is the best : because low noise / Spinning drive is definete not a choice. 2. Sumsung EVO 850 Pro is the best SSD currently. 3. QNAP fanless is the best (than Synology) : because low noise. 4. NAS need low power assumption to generate a lower noise. 5. How do I connect microrendu to NAS ? by LAN cable ? 6. If I do so, the RAM storage and CPU of NAS do not matter because the files are really small for transporting? I try to make things simple. Thanks for reading
  7. Is there a reasonably priced option to hook your NAS directly up to a wireless streaming solution without effecting sound quality? I would like to control the music still through a laptop, possibly an ipad too. I have a Line Magnetic DAC in the mix as well but am either getting too old for cables running across my living room or just not wanting to pay $550 for 4 meters of blue heaven usb cable. Yikes maybe it's both! Any thoughts or point in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.
  8. Hello, I'm putting together a system for a friend who's new to truly great audio. He fell in love with some new speakers by Janszen and the EAR DAC4. To start I'm just going to hook his current run of the mill bluray player and apple TV to the DAC so he can hear the improvements that brings to what he already has at home. From there he wants to upgrade. We heard a NAS drive connected to a CHORD DAC with ethernet input and the sound was great he preferred the EAR. I've been looking into the MSB Universal Media Transport and I'm curious if anyone has any experience with this device and hooking a NAS drive to it. I'm still quite ignorant in this realm as I've been more than happy with a Wavelength Brick hooked to my MAC and iTunes integrated Audirvana. I want to see a system in this guys home that is very easy to access and can cover all the bases. The DAC4 can handle pretty much anything and the UMT can do the same+ but does anyone know how files are accessed/navigated and how to set it all up? Thanks
  9. Hi I have ripped all my CDs into Apple Lossless format and stored on a Synology DS409 NAS. I have updated all latest S/W on this NAS. This is connected to a Mac Mini (10.6.3) running latest itunes. The Mac is then plugged into my amp via a Benchmark DAC. So far so good. Most files play fine except there are always tracks within some album that itunes complains not finding the file. I deleted and re-loaded all the files into itunes. I have tried physically linking missing tracks to the itunes library but sometimes it losses the location info again. If I look into the file info, the non-playable tracks will always have this location file://localhost/volumes/music/itunes/...album and track name. While the error free racks will be music:itunes1/...album and track name. I connect the NAS using Connect Server at boot up and since itunes can find most tracks there is no reason to think it is the file or directory problem. What am I missing?
  10. Hi; this is my first post (after the loosin' Bio data from... that time...) (Sorry for my English and... thanks to all of you) Well, after many digital sys over PC, I -finally- found the sound I like, with no differences (and if there are, they are better listenings than... CDs) from any other digital front end, I mean my transport/DAC Simaudio Moon 750D. My goal was to put away PC from the audio chain, so... NAS (QNAP TS251 fanless)... router (Fritzbox)... renderer (MiND 180 by Moon, Simaudio) and through AES/EBU_XLR 110-Ohm cable (Apogee Wide Eye) to DAC. All cabled with Ethernet CAT 6a shielded. Because "the game" to improve the sound but without spend (so much) money on other gears, even changing "the tonal balance", I was surprised when I add the "linear power supply" to router/NAS/renderer. Very good for my ears! But... "more": I want "more"! Waiting for MQA (Moon website writes... 1st quarter '18), I wrote to "iFi audio" to know if there are in their big catalogue some "good stuff", some "iSilencers" and so on: they gently said to me that over Ethernet there is nothig so significant at the moment because Ethernet is a very good place to stream direct to DAC! I also read this very interesting article about, on SoS: https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/ethernet-audio So, my "QUESTION", without talking about PC's and USB's, is: what do you say about? Is there only a chance to change devices to improve the sound over Ethernet? And... What about the UPnP AV music server??? I use the "MinimServer" and it flows very good, but I heard about Roon Sever just few days ago: is this a better choice? The only way? Any advices for me? (Are you informed for something like Roon Server competitor? Free?) Thanks and sorry for the long post: I will read you. Bye, Luca from old EU
  11. Hi, Everywhere I read people's testimonies that music streamed through ethernet from a NAS sounds dull compared to playing it directly from an external HDD. Even when the player pre-loads the whole song to memory like Audirvana does. How can this be? Are there any plausible explanations for this? I'm building a new system and it would be nice to know if this is simply a myth or if there's some rational behind it and if someone has done some proper comparison tests. Thanks in advance, Nuno
  12. I'm currently seeking out solutions to this problem: I currently have a growing number of 2TB, 3TB, and 4TB external drives and it's becoming a pain to manage. I've been storing everything manually in duplicates (1 copy to drive A and 1 to drive B as an example). I'm trying to find the best and easiest solution to having at least 2 if not 3 copies of my entire music collection, and I would like one of those copies to be off-site. I am trying to decide between: 1. several large external Hard drives (4 to 6 8TB external drives - I have about 16TB's of music so 2-3 copies of 2 8TB drives). 2. A USB or thunderbolt external Raid Box ? 3. A Synology 916Play with 2-4 8TB drives 4. Any of the above but copy number 3 being stored in the cloud (G-Drive, Amazon Cloud) - Note: I have a G-Drive now (only with about 1TB of files stored) and I find that the upload times are sooo slow, I could not imagine how many years it would take to upload 16TB's to it! 5. As another person posted here, sounds like a better alternative to cloud storage for backup may be to purchase 2 Synology 916 NAS, on on-site and a second as backup at my brothers or a friends house? What are the advantages to a NAS vs. an external RAID box? Is a raid Box or NAS superior to several external hard drives ? (8TB external HD's are the cheapest option for certain vs a NAS or RAID box). Thanks for any suggestions !
  13. I have a Synology drive with LMS containing stored music, I now have another 3tb drive with more music on how do i make the Synology NAS drive see the new external drive?? (is it a matter of just plugging it together?) and how will the LMS on the Synology process the new files?
  14. I've searched around a bit and haven't found a thread that's directly on topic, so: I have a Slim Devices Transporter (two actually), and alternate between LMS and Roon. my server for both is a late model mac mini. music library is a 3TB drive, directly attached to the mini via USB 3.0. Lately I've had a problem with network noise, and have tried a variety of solutions, including optical links, to eliminate it. the cause does not appear to any one thing, so i'm looking at everything. Has compared a directly attached USB drive to the same via Thunderbolt? looking at noise and sound quality. similarly, has anyone experienced a difference between directly attached storage and a NAS, when used in a streaming set up? again, focused on sound quality/noise. thanks/
  15. Hi, I looked at this thread, but didn't find the answers I needed: http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f10-music-servers/esata-vs-nas-15824/ Here's my problem: I have a CAPS Zuma server with 16gb of RAM, etc. I have an awful lot of music -- about 7tb of AIFF files, over 3 tb of DSD files, and another 2-3 tb or more of other hi-rez including PCM. I'll run JRiver. I can either connect multiple 6tb Western Digital ESATA drives powered by Tripplite Linear Power Supplies (not the stock AC/DC switching power supply) and with one drive with AIFF, another with DSD, etc, I can connect one at a time to the Zuma and swap them out as needed, depending on what I'm listening to... OR: I can run an 1812 Synology NAS with about 20tb or so. It will hold everything. If I go with NAS (in another room), I'm using the following as a hard wire solution: Internet over built-in coax wiring: Actiontec Verizon Coaxial Network Adapter Amazon.com: Actiontec Verizon Coaxial Network Adapter (ECB2200V): Computers & Accessories which seems to work well enough since it "Provides up to 175 Mbps networking speed." But that isn't the same as direct CAT wiring... (can't be done in my house) It seems to me that the big minus of the direct local ESATA drive is having to switch drives for certain tracks. The big minus of the NAS is that it might be slow, especially with the Actiontec internet over coax approach. I'm not knowledgeable about this so I need some help. Will there be any real difference in sound quality? I know that it will take days to copy the music files onto the NAS, but once on, will the speeds on a NAS be OK for playback listening? I'd love to have more knowledge about this before I spend over $2,400 or so for NAS plus drives plus UPS). Thanks.
  16. odamone

    Upgrade path advice

    Hello, I'd love to know what, if anything, I could do to improve the audio quality of my setup. Not that it doesn't satisfy currently, but, you know, with the addiction and all...I'm just curious if there are any obvious places where I could look to improve. What could my upgrade path look like? Here's how I listen to music: 1) Rip the CD to FLAC using Max 2) Put the files on an off the shelf Buffalo something or other wireless NAS that has DLNA built in 3) Connect the NAS to an airport extreme 4) Connect a separate airport express to my Marantz SR7005 via LAN (The Marantz reads the NAS off the network) 5) Take the digital optical out of the Marantz into a Rega DAC 6) Rega DAC RCA out to a Primaluna Dialogue Two integrated tube amp 7) Out to a pair of Quad 22L2 floor standers and a pair of REL R205 subs Any weak points in the system? I'm not really looking to swap out speakers, I'm more thinking about the source and signal path. Are there better ways of doing this? My computer and NAS are in a different room and I need to keep it that way. I don't know much about digital audio...I always thought it's ones and zeros, sound is either all there or not, but apparently there's other factors at play... Any suggestions? Thanks a million!
  17. Need some help setting up a backup and server system for my home network. I am starting from a blank slate and want to put something together to achieve the following goals: 1. Provide full backup for 3 PC’s and one MBP 2. Provide a sharable wireless music database, most likely a combination of AAC and AIFF for iTunes. I don’t have an immediate use for the wireless aspect, but I would eventually like to hook up a Sonos or Squeezebox type system for whole-house access to the music. 3. Provide an archive backup of all my music files in FLAC Here is what I am thinking, please give me some advice/feedback: 1. Seagate BlackArmor 2T NAS connected directly to my wireless router 2. A USB external hard drive connected to the NAS for the FLAC archive 3. A dedicated music laptop with enough HD storage to hold my music hooked directly to my W4S DAC2 via USB. This laptop would run JRiver and dbpoweramp. I would use the laptop as the ripping station and music server for my DAC. As I have yet to purchase this laptop, it could also be a MBP running Pure Music.
  18. I have been offer Synology - DS411+II & Seagate 2TB SATA III Mod. ST2000DM001 - 7200 RPM 64MB for 1,300US$ in Spain. Any other models/configuration that would cost less? I need 6TB for storage. Thanks
  19. Hi Guys: I would like to know if someone are using a dedicated raspberry as nas in your hifi system. I heard so much people using raspberry as transporte.. so someone have the same idea as me? issac
  20. Hi - I am new to this forum but have recently upgraded a lot of my equipment from speakers to receiver, blu ray player, 2 channel pre and power amp as well as my most recent additions the DAC2 DX from benchmark and the cocktail audio x40. My challenge is that I have music all over the place from my macbook stored locally to a NAS server by QNAP (and WDmycloud) to streaming services and SACD/CD etc. my goal has been lately to have a separate 2 channel system from my marantz sr7009 which was previously my all in one component for music/movies and more. my issue as of late is that I do not like having to plug in my macbook via hard link (usb/optical etc.) to the benchmark or other input (analog on jc-2 preamp) because I find it limiting. I dont think I have any digital outputs on my sr7009 and my BR player while quite capable of these tasks is not the easiest device to sort through NAS media files,etc. The cocktail audio player is a smorgasbord of technology and functionality but I have yet to tame this beast and there is not a lot of information out there right now to help. so my question would be this - (my equipment is listed below for reference) what would be the ideal way to hook up all the components in a way where I do not have to constantly plug/replug and switch wires and speaker cables around but can still watch movies in surround sound (from the sr7009) and use my separate two channel system (jc-2/dac2 dx/A-21 power amp) and ideally have music either played back via a media player (could be macbook pro or could be something else) streamed or playback by disc. I want the best in sound quality and to separate the two types of playback as much as possible as I have experienced an unbelievable clear, clean and eye opening sound from the new 2 channel separates moving from my all in one receiver and i do not want to sacrifice that in anyway. I also want to know what media playback method would work best, using a dedicated media player device like the cocktail audio player or something like an auralec/etc? or USB via my macbook is the best method? would be awesome to have my two subwoofers in the mix too but no one on other forums or anything I can find online seem to support stereo subwoofer setups. this would be ideal to me as i am not a huge fan of audyssey or other EQ when it comes to my tunes. happy to answer more questions as I have way too much equipment and very little know how:) speakers - B&W CM10 mains, CMC2 center, CM5 surrounds Subwoofers - dual SVS SB2000s receiver/BR = marantz sr7009 and ud7007 respectively 2 channel rig - Parasound JC-2 preamp, parasound A21 power amp (both two channel only) Digital - Benchmark dac2dx and macbook pro Cocktail Audio X-40 (DAC/media player/disc ripper/streamer and more) NAS - qnap ts431 and wdmcloud thanks in advance for anyone with enough patience and time to help out.
  21. We have need of centralized storage in the home for my wife's business and for sharing some files, photos, etc. One or 2TB should be plenty to last us for years. I'm wondering if I should also keep my iTunes music files on it? (If so, I'd get a bigger NAS.) I've been running a Mac Mini-based system with directly-connected hard drives for many years. Is there any reason I should not also use the NAS for all of my music files and drop the USB and Firewire drives I have been using? (I'd use the USD drives for backup of the NAS.) I remember seeing someone's comment that NAS solutions don't sound as good, but do others agree? If the NAS is set up with multiple volumes for different household purposes and is getting used concurrently for more than just serving music files, will there be any performance hit? Any other downsides to NAS for my iTunes music files? (Which might someday be something other than iTunes.)
  22. Hi Folks, My first post here - just got re-introduced to nice audio reproduction. I wonder if anyone has used a Synology NAS and its Audio Station app with an integrated amp, such as the NAD D3020, connected via USB. I own a NAD D3020, constantly amazed by it, and Sonos Connect to render music via coax. Sonos works pretty well with my crappy, almost useless, NAS (Iomega Home Media Network Hard Drive Cloud Edition) for 16/44 flac files. A caveat of Sonos is its inability to render above 16 bit/44 kHz files. The DAC in the D3020 can do it but the stupid Iomega has no chance at bridging the connection. The ideal setup is to upgrade our NAS to Sonolgy and have it render music to the D3020 via USB because we don't want to connect/disconnect our laptop every time we want to play 24 bit files. NAD supplies drivers for the D3020 to function downstream of my PC. My guess is that USB direct from Synology to D3020 might not work without drivers for the Synology control software. Alternative suggestions or solutions appreciated! Plan B is a media server such as CAPS or other instead of Synology and adding Synology later. Thanks!
  23. Hello everyone I havent posted much here but I often use this site for information about computer audio. I dont think I know as much as you guys though, so maybe you can help me out with this one. I usually have all my msuic on a 2TB SATA hard drive, connected straight to the motherboard. Then I have the SSD with Windows and Jriver on. Recently i connected an old 500GB USB drive to my router. When I played music back from it using Jriver, it sounded better!! I was surprised. Everything is the same, just instead of being played locally, it is played from a router. Is this normal? What is happening here? Am I just imagining it?
  24. I'm considering going to a NAS based storage (Synology DS218j with their matching HDD) for music files vs my laptop with an internal 1TB SSD. Are there any compelling reasons for me to change? Any suggestions are much appreciated. Thanks.
  25. This is my first post so bear with me. I've used mp3 on cell phones etc for years but recently ripped all my CDs to both mp3 and FLAC using dB Power Amp. I am looking to setup a high quality 2 channel FLAC audio system using a NAS. I have an older high end Yamaha receiver which lacks HDMI. A Schiit Modi 2 is in my near future as is some 2 or 4 bay Synology NAS. Q1. Are those DAC and NAS a reasonably good choice? Will they just boot and play nicely together? Q2. In Synology Audio Station I would set the NAS to playback on "usb speaker" in order to get the FLAC out the usb port and into the DAC. When playing a NAS video presumably the audio portion of the video still goes over the eithernet [don't care if this also goes over USB port]. Q3. There seems to be so many Synology NAS models, including last years models still available from some on-line sellers. What do I need to look for in order for this setup to work? Is there a series that I should be looking at? [+, +II, j, se, play, etc] [I also have a 2016 55" 4K HDR TV but I don't think I will be trying to use the NAS to upscale to 4K, or even 1080p]. [on the TV side; the TV, Blu-ray, android box etc will play their audio via a HDMI switch with analog audio breakout connected to receiver input] Thanks John