Civility and its educated despisers...

[Blake]

1 minute ago, wdw said:

So, we're taking out the clown car for another trip around the block?  Sad and truly silly.

 

 

Ha, slow day here at CA

 

This thread will end badly, but what else are we going to discuss?  Perhaps it is time for a good old-fashioned cable fight?  I can never get enough of those!

 

[crenca]

3 minutes ago, Blake said:

 

 

Ha, slow day here at CA

 

This thread will end badly, but what else are we going to discuss?  Perhaps it is time for a good old-fashioned cable fight?  I can never get enough of those!

 

 

Sooo.......what $1K plus strands of 60 cent copper do you advocate?  ?

 

https://nordost.com/industry_advocates.php  

[Jud]

6 minutes ago, crenca said:

The first says he does not even know what the subject is about, 

 

Ah, you misunderstood me. I said very often I don't know why you're carrying on, not that I don't know the thread's about civility.

[Blake]

4 minutes ago, crenca said:

 

Sooo.......what $1K plus strands of 60 cent copper do you advocate?  ?

 

I've been thinking of changing my forum member title from "Senior Member" to "I Heart Kables".

 

[crenca]

1 minute ago, Jud said:

 

Ah, you misunderstood me. I said very often I don't know why you're carrying on, not that I don't know the thread's about civility.

 

I know, but such an understanding did not fit my pithy little summation, so I took a bit of liberty with the truth...was that uncivil of me?  ?

[Jud]

I mean, I think I get it (and did a long time ago).  There's a bloodsucking industry and media cabal living off credulous audiophiles, and no matter how pointed the factual takedowns, unless we do some yellin' and screamin' at these bloodsuckers, the audiophools will remain in dreamlike thrall and nothing will change.

 

How close did I get?

[wgscott]

19 minutes ago, Jud said:

How close did I get?

 

You left out all the wacko right-wing conspiracy theory ranting and raving, including how evil cabals of academic scientists are suppressing discussion of climate science hoaxes, intelligent design, and Hillary Clinton-mediated pizza parlor child sex slavery. Did you not even read his link?  That just shows you are in lockstep with the left-wing pizza-loving fascists.

[Middy]

Civility denotes a basic respect hopefully when both parties act so, regardless of view point. Just the written word and its personal meaning causes outrage over the most minor context. Thank god millennials have emojis or it would be world war 3 before i retire in 20 years.

The internet is like 3 beers and your friends in a pub. Puffed up and no consequences for your actions. Even enemies can have some mutal respect, under pinned by basic civility.

Forbidden planet is a very good allegorical example..

Mobius:  you

Internet: the Krell learning machine

ID: the subconscious monster thats allowed to run rampant in posts.

 

Easy to take the OP as a troll, as this is a perfect hand grenade to get the usual suspects going but thats besides the point. Civility is an offered hand, thats pride in oneself..

 

[wdw]

46 minutes ago, wgscott said:

.....scientists are suppressing discussion of climate science hoaxes, intelligent design, and Hillary Clinton-mediated pizza parlor child sex slavery. Did you not even read his link?  That just shows you are in lockstep with the left-wing pizza-loving fascists.

 

I have always imagined Crency in his MAGA hat, shotgun on his lap, out on his porch rocking back and forth in his chair but happily well behind the trip wire searching endlessly into the dry Arizona mesa for any sign of the migrant caravan soon to be coming his way.  ?

[crenca]

6 minutes ago, wdw said:

 

I have always imagined Crency in his MAGA hat, shotgun on his lap, out on his porch slightly rocking in his chair but happily well behind the trip wire searching endlessly into the dry Arizona mesa for any sign of the migrant caravan coming our way.  ?

 

?

 

I actually am into the shooting sports, and while I own shotguns "assault rifles" are more my thang (better range, hold more ammo, though less reliable, etc.)!  I don't own a MAGA hat, though I think wearing one would be fun to say the least.  Living close to the border, I am struck by the simplifications and manipulations that take place around this issue on the national (media) scene by both political parties.  Rockers are not very comfortable...can it be one of those new fancy outdoor chairs that rock, and real padding, and at least one cup holder for my beer?

[PeterSt]

27 minutes ago, wdw said:

I have always imagined Crency in his MAGA hat, shotgun on his lap, out on his porch rocking back and forth in his chair but happily well behind the trip wire searching endlessly into the dry Arizona mesa for any sign of the migrant caravan soon to be coming his way.  ?

 

This is probably the best I will see of this day (at 3:40 am): 

 

If you only grasp that this is an advertisement of Aliexpress ...

 

 

Don't try to translate that machine translated Chinese to Dutch.

 

 

 

 

[sandyk]

32 minutes ago, wdw said:

 

I have always imagined Crency in his MAGA hat, shotgun on his lap, out on his porch rocking back and forth in his chair but happily well behind the trip wire searching endlessly into the dry Arizona mesa for any sign of the migrant caravan soon to be coming his way.  ?

 

If Trump contracted the wall construction out to the Chinese it could even be completed before the caravans arrive !

[esldude]

1 hour ago, wgscott said:

 

You left out all the wacko right-wing conspiracy theory ranting and raving, including how evil cabals of academic scientists are suppressing discussion of climate science hoaxes, intelligent design, and Hillary Clinton-mediated pizza parlor child sex slavery. Did you not even read his link?  That just shows you are in lockstep with the left-wing pizza-loving fascists.

I wonder what brand USB cable was used on Hillary's email server and did it also serve music while she did her evil email thing? If she had used an LPS on the server would it have smoothed the bits enough foreign powers couldn't have located them?

[PeterSt]

7 minutes ago, esldude said:

I wonder what brand USB cable was used on Hillary's email server

 

All I know is what we sent Ivanka.

[Ralf11]

4 hours ago, sandyk said:

 

 wall construction 

 

 

[firedog]

11 hours ago, Ralf11 said:

 

It isn't Civility that is at issue here.

 

Instead it is the notion that there should be Safe Spaces where disagreement is not allowed.  This is fundamentally at odds with most things that have moved civilization forward (not just audio) and, as such, should only be permitted on a university campus - say a UC campus for the West Coast.

I don't see that. Where has there been a demand for safe spaces here?  There are threads such as "cable" threads, where the OP asks a question and says he doesn't want the thread to turn into another cable debate. Or similar requests on other subjectivist topics.

 

I don't see anything wrong with that. The endless debates on the same topics don't convince anyone to change sides and don't add to threads that aren't supposed to be about debating those issues. People should be able to ask such a question without turning the thread into an OT debate. 

[firedog]

6 hours ago, Blake said:

 I admit to being a total jerk to a certain member here on CA a few weeks ago- let's just call him "liquid refreshment n' tunes".

 

Said member has annoyed me for a long, long time with his 'whack-a-mole' posting style, responding to his own posts ad nauseam, opening up multiple new threads in a single day, continuing to post in threads when told to leave by Chris, posting about every single thought in his head like a 5 year old jacked up on Mountain Dew, and other miscellaneous obnoxious traits.  

 

 Once this member starting posting that he was smarter than other members here on CA (a sure sign of stupidity) and then whining about his childhood, I snapped and wrote a very nasty reply.

 

I didn't derive any satisfaction from my post and I probably should have refrained.  But.....

 

Should CA be a place where we are more polite, genteel and always turn the other cheek? 

 

Or, do we think CA should allow a bit of blunt or semi-aggressive behavior (when reasonably warranted)?    There have been times over the years when others have snapped at me on this forum (in some instances I deserved it), and it didn't offend me at all.  It is just an internet forum.  

You can also insult someone's  posts or their manner of posting in a civil way. You can be blunt.  I have also told a certain poster that his posts are pointless/a waste of time and his reading comprehension limited. But there's a level of nastiness and personal insult that isn't necessary and doesn't add to the discussion, other than to possibly make the poster feel good in an immature kind of way.

 

I don't think other than Chris we need a referee here.

 

I think if people on anonymous internet forums should simply go by the rule  not to write something they wouldn't say in person or something they wouldn't want widely publicized, that the "problem" would pretty much solve itself. 

[mansr]

5 hours ago, firedog said:

Where has there been a demand for safe spaces here?

The Great Anti-Science Thread, for one.

[Jud]

15 minutes ago, mansr said:

The Great Anti-Science Thread, for one.

 

You can call it the GAS thread for short and have fun with that if you like.  Anyone is perfectly free as an OP to call for an objective measurement and blind test only thread, too.  Just like the MOPAR club can have a meeting and the Chevy short block folks can have their own.  Let a million threads bloom, to quote a famous fellow from that MAGA hat manufacturing nation.

[Summit]

I think that then people come together, no matter if it’s physically or on an internet forum like this we will always “create” some social norms and roles. Norms and roles as to how to behave and to what is acceptable to say and what’s not, and in what manner. Most of those norms and (forum) roles are not ever written down and can change over time, and even from thread to thread. I have worked on places that have had a raw - but hearty tone, and also worked at other places that can be less raw or blunt, but also not as hearty. I prefer the first kind of culture personally, BUT only as long as it done in and with the right spirit.

 

I believe all communities need some norms and roles when people from different cultures and backgrounds come together, so the question is which level of civility is good for discussing audio, politic, religion and so on. IME which forum or which thread we will join will depend not only on the topics discussed, but also the level of civility. Some want a bit more civility than others and seek forums that match there preference. My firm belief is that most can take a bit of a rawer tone and acutely like high ceilings if they believe it is made with a hearty intent. If the intention is not clear the level of civility often need to increase to prevent people from “taking it the wrong way”.  

 

My two cents

[wgscott]

Ultimately, I think it comes down to acting in good faith.  If you enter a discussion completely unwilling to entertain the possibility that you might be wrong, and someone with a differing point of view might be right, it is unlikely to go well.  

[Ajax]

On 12/12/2018 at 10:27 AM, gmgraves said:

Agree. The problem is, as I see it, the anonymity of the Internet. People feel anonymous and hidden behind their computer keyboards, and therefore feel that, unlike in real life, they can say anything they like to anybody without repercussions. There is no doubt that the Internet and computers and smart phones have changed society (recent studies show that "millennials" and later youngsters' brains are wired quite differently from the previous generation as a result of them spending most of their waking hours on their smart phones). So if computer devices can change the makeup of our brains, it's little wonder than it can change our ideas about how to interact with each other on those computer devices.

Hi George,

 

I’ve learnt a lot from your posts over the years, they are usually informative and entertaining, so thanks for that. 

 

However, I disagree with you that posters are anonymous on the internet, especially on forums such as CA. 

 

I for one am careful about what I say (write), especially when giving advice as my “reputation” at CA is important to me. Why? Because I want to be able to give and receive knowledge and I believe people are much more likely to listen to you, and help you, if they like and respect you.

 

There are about a dozen or so contributors here that I have grown to “trust”.

 

All the best,

 

Ajax

[NOMBEDES]

Face it.  The world is over.  Plastic in the oceans.  Deforestation in the Amazon.  Climate change.  The polar caps are melting.

Fish swimming up Ocean Blvd in Miami.   Pacific islands doomed.  Forest fires.  Russians.  The list is endless.

 

 

We only have a few years left to enjoy music.   So turn off your troll-bot infested computer and listen to some well recorded music before the end......

[Ralf11]

The world is not over.  Plastic is good for bacteria.  Termites profit from deforestation.

 

Only the world that is good for humans is over.  

[NOMBEDES]

31 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

The world is not over.  Plastic is good for bacteria.  Termites profit from deforestation.

 

Only the world that is good for humans is over.  

 

 

Good point,  I should have stated the world is over for us.