rando Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 17 minutes ago, fas42 said: This is equivalent to testing a car's handling by driving it in a straight line down a perfectly made highway - ummm, how many ways can one say, Duummb ... Why do you hate Detroit specifically and America explicitly? fas42 1 Link to comment
fas42 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 2 hours ago, miguelito said: One more fantastic album which has been carefully remastered: Jean-Michel Jarre - Essentials and Rarities I was just reminded of one that was practically worn out by us, from repeated playing ... At solid volume levels, this is magical stuff - huge spaces, tremendous impact; there is so much going on ... I remember listening to this at an audiophile's home with huge, very heavy speakers, Krell amplifier - it sounded a disasterous mess, miles from getting anything right ... kumakuma and miguelito 1 1 Link to comment
Mayfair Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 11 hours ago, miguelito said: It was this one below - Thielemann’s. I will listen to your recommendation. Hope you enjoy it! IIRC, the Eugen Jochum recording was authorized by Orff himself. I think Christian Thielemann's version is also a very worthy choice. Link to comment
fas42 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Off topic? ... let's see now ... in the OP, Quote So which albums do you love listening to that do a great job demonstrating your system’s abilities? Hmmm, Zoolook ticks both those boxes - I wonder what some people's definitions of "off topic" are ... Ralf11 1 Link to comment
Popular Post kumakuma Posted August 13, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, fas42 said: Off topic? ... let's see now ... in the OP, Hmmm, Zoolook ticks both those boxes - I wonder what some people's definitions of "off topic" are ... I think your spamming of every thread on this site to push your agenda has become so natural to you that you don't even know you're doing it. This post by George on another thread sums it up pretty well: 8 hours ago, gmgraves said: Even here on CA, he shows up in every thread with the same tune. It doesn't matter what the topic is: In a thread about soundstage, he tells us that his method makes soundstage perfect, In a thread about DACs, his "method" makes cheap DACs sound like expensive DACs, etc., etc. Ralf11, wgscott and sandyk 2 1 Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
sandyk Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 1 minute ago, kumakuma said: I think your spamming of every thread on this site to push your agenda has become so natural to you that you don't even know you're doing it. Try using the IGNORE facility if it bothers you that much. kumakuma and Ralf11 2 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
fas42 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 18 minutes ago, kumakuma said: I think your spamming of every thread on this site to push your agenda has become so natural to you that you don't even know you're doing it. This post by George on another thread sums it up pretty well So I take it that you're not interested in methods that enable audio playback to provide a more enjoyable experience ... ? kumakuma, wgscott, phosphorein and 1 other 4 Link to comment
kumakuma Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 1 minute ago, fas42 said: So I take it that you're not interested in methods that enable audio playback to provide a more enjoyable experience ... ? Again, this has nothing to do with this thread. wgscott 1 Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
fas42 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, kumakuma said: Again, this has nothing to do with this thread. And none of your reactions have been also ... to repeat, a previous poster mentioned Jarre, and this reminded me of my experiences with the album I linked to. wgscott 1 Link to comment
sandyk Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 25 minutes ago, fas42 said: So I take it that you're not interested in methods that enable audio playback to provide a more enjoyable experience ... ? Apparently Kumakuma isn't , ,or he wouldn't be attacking someone who has provided the name of a recording he uses that meets the title of the thread. His main gripe is simply that he doesn't accept what Frank reports and would love to see him silenced . fas42, wgscott and Ralf11 1 2 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
Popular Post kumakuma Posted August 13, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 13, 2018 11 minutes ago, fas42 said: And none of your reactions have been also ... to repeat, a previous poster mentioned Jarre, and this reminded me of my experiences with the album I linked to. I've highlighted the section in your post that I thought was off-topic. 2 hours ago, fas42 said: At solid volume levels, this is magical stuff - huge spaces, tremendous impact; there is so much going on ... I remember listening to this at an audiophile's home with huge, very heavy speakers, Krell amplifier - it sounded a disasterous mess, miles from getting anything right ... sandyk, Ralf11 and Hugo9000 2 1 Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
sandyk Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Quote I've highlighted the section in your post that I thought was off-topic It's NOT up to you, Ralf11 or anyone else to decide what is " off topic" It's up to the OP to decide ! BTW, keep abusing the DISLIKE Button for petty reasons and it will probably disappear again ! Ralf11 and wgscott 2 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
fas42 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 1 hour ago, kumakuma said: I've highlighted the section in your post that I thought was off-topic. And I can go with that ... the reason I made the comment was to emphasise that the qualities of the recording help to highlight the capabilities of a rig, for better or for worse. We're talking about "demo" material here, which in my mind should be that which differentiates what one has, from that of others - an audiophile recording which may be "so well made" that it sounds good on a transistor radio is of little help ... wgscott 1 Link to comment
hsmeets Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 funny.....no mention yet of - Eva Cassidy's Live at Blues Alley / Nightbird - Hugh Masekela's Stimela track on the Hope album - Nils Lofgren Keith don't go on Acoustic Live - Roger Water's Amused to death - Jake Shimabukuro Live in Japan - Arne Domnerus Jazz at the Pawnshop Link to comment
Shadders Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Hi, If anything, many of the latest Muse albums are very good [from 'Black Holes and Revelations' onwards] For HF response - Ellie Goulding : Halcyon Days. [maybe this album is over the top for hf] Another repeat from me - Unkle albums are good - The Road Part 1 seems to be a good recording. Regards, Shadders. Link to comment
Popular Post semente Posted August 13, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 13, 2018 23 hours ago, semente said: I do have maybe a handful of audiophile recordings which I use for evaluation purposes (one of them is of two loudspeaker designers talking in an anechoic chamber) but long gone is the time when I used to listen ad nauseam to the same three or five audiophile-approved tracks trying to indentify changes that resulted from all the fruitless fiddling and tweaking. 10 hours ago, fas42 said: This is equivalent to testing a car's handling by driving it in a straight line down a perfectly made highway - ummm, how many ways can one say, Duummb ... First, let's make a distinction between Demo Tracks and Performance Assessment Tracks. In my view they serve different purposes. I use the Demo Tracks to show-off my system's capabilities. Impressive and exciting sound, captivating music. Objective or if you prefer observationist sound assessment through listening (as opposed to tasting which is driven by preference and enjoyment) is a comparison between what we are listening to and our database, our past experience of both live and reproduced sound. Thus Performance Assessment Tracks are used to evaluate, amongst other things, tonal balance (frequency response), low-level information retrieval ability (noise), capacity to cope with sonic complexity (intermodulation), naturalness and realism (transient response, absence of harmonic and of distortion in general). Now, to accurately assess all those qualities you need excellent recordings, those which are able to portray the sound of instruments and vocals as they're listened from the audience, those which capture cues of the space where the original event was performed. The recording of two voices in an anechoic chamber is important because humans are most sensitive to the sound human voice. Orchestral and choral music is difficult to reproduce because of it's complexity (you can have a hundred instruments and as many voices playing different things simultaneously) and extreme dynamic swings. A large orchestra of the late romantic period will include a large variety of acoustic instruments and this provides the oportunity to evaluate how the system reproduces the timbre of those instruments. Unlike amplified gigs, with classical music one can actually compare one's listening experience of live performances with what our system is reproducing. And unlike rock or pop and a lot of jazz, classical music is recorded in venues with natural acoustic reverberance which is also a good measure for realism. Finally, unlike most pop and rock, classical music is not just about percussive or syncopated sounds - there's a lot of legato sound, notes connected to each other, the use of the bow instead of the finger - and this makes it easier to determine low-level resolution and tonal balance. So we disagree. Good, or should I write excellent, recordings are paramount to evaluate performace from an observationist perspective. The funny thing is that a system which performs well in the aspects which I mentioned will make Billie Holiday's old mono recordings, or Callas', Casals', etc. sound much better because one can listen to more of the recorded signal, in spite of all their problems. I do agree that Krells & Pigeons & Barbies & Bubbles will make any system sound reasonably good. That is why they are so popular in shows... I don't find them useful to evaluate performance. christopher3393, gmgraves and rando 1 1 1 "Science draws the wave, poetry fills it with water" Teixeira de Pascoaes HQPlayer Desktop / Mac mini → Intona 7054 → RME ADI-2 DAC FS (DSD256) Link to comment
semente Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 10 hours ago, fas42 said: I was just reminded of one that was practically worn out by us, from repeated playing ... At solid volume levels, this is magical stuff - huge spaces, tremendous impact; there is so much going on ... I remember listening to this at an audiophile's home with huge, very heavy speakers, Krell amplifier - it sounded a disasterous mess, miles from getting anything right ... I won't go into the artistic merits or their absence f JMJ's music. But from a sonic perspective, as I've described in my previous post where I defined observationist sound assessment through listening, using his music to evaluate sound is like using Nemo to evaluate video instead of a National Geographic documentary... "Science draws the wave, poetry fills it with water" Teixeira de Pascoaes HQPlayer Desktop / Mac mini → Intona 7054 → RME ADI-2 DAC FS (DSD256) Link to comment
Popular Post kumakuma Posted August 13, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 13, 2018 10 hours ago, fas42 said: And I can go with that ... the reason I made the comment was to emphasise that the qualities of the recording help to highlight the capabilities of a rig, for better or for worse. We're talking about "demo" material here, which in my mind should be that which differentiates what one has, from that of others - an audiophile recording which may be "so well made" that it sounds good on a transistor radio is of little help ... Yes, we know Frank. We've heard the same message from you countless times already... on every thread on this site... regardless of what the topic of the thread is. wgscott and Ralf11 2 Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
kumakuma Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 11 hours ago, sandyk said: It's NOT up to you, Ralf11 or anyone else to decide what is " off topic" It's up to the OP to decide ! BTW, keep abusing the DISLIKE Button for petty reasons and it will probably disappear again ! The button you referring to is an "Off Topic" button, not a "Dislike" button. I used it in that way to express my opinion that the post was off topic for this thread. Ralf11 1 Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
Popular Post gmgraves Posted August 13, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 13, 2018 15 hours ago, kumakuma said: I think your spamming of every thread on this site to push your agenda has become so natural to you that you don't even know you're doing it. This post by George on another thread sums it up pretty well: 23 hours ago, gmgraves said: Even here on CA, he shows up in every thread with the same tune. It doesn't matter what the topic is: In a thread about soundstage, he tells us that his method makes soundstage perfect, In a thread about DACs, his "method" makes cheap DACs sound like expensive DACs, etc., etc. But he never tells us how he does it, any of it. All we get is vague allusions to removed extraneous parts from components, and a list of common sense procedures such as dressing audio cables away from power cables; something that most of the rest of do anyway. But most of us do it without bragging about it, and claiming it as an audio panacea on every thread of this forum. Ralf11 and Hugo9000 1 1 George Link to comment
Popular Post gmgraves Posted August 13, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 13, 2018 15 hours ago, fas42 said: So I take it that you're not interested in methods that enable audio playback to provide a more enjoyable experience ... ? But Frank, you don't supply "...methods that enable audio playback to provide a more enjoyable experience." All you do brag that you have found such methods. In fact, beyond the obvious, you don't tell us anything! That's what this entire thread is about. You tell us how important it is to fine tune our systems over and over and over on every page of every subject, but yo never tell us what you've done. Now, I'm going to suggest that start at the very beginning and tell us what you've done with each component (by specific, make and model). Then explain carefully and fully how you've assembled the system and explain to us the contribution made by each operation you've done to each piece of the system and to the overall system. If you don't want to do that; and I can understand why you might not, then I suggest that you shut-up about your "methods" and you shut-up about telling us that our systems are flawed and that only you, in your divine wisdom, can tell us how to fix what's wrong with our systems - and then not tell us anything that anybody can remotely use! I'm sorry this is off topic, but I was responding to a notification to me at the top of the page. I think there are one or two more of my comments here vis-a-vis Frank. But I'll post no more here on this particular off-topic subject. Thanks. Hugo9000, daverich4 and Ralf11 2 1 George Link to comment
Popular Post gmgraves Posted August 13, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 13, 2018 7 hours ago, semente said: First, let's make a distinction between Demo Tracks and Performance Assessment Tracks. In my view they serve different purposes. I use the Demo Tracks to show-off my system's capabilities. Impressive and exciting sound, captivating music. Objective or if you prefer observationist sound assessment through listening (as opposed to tasting which is driven by preference and enjoyment) is a comparison between what we are listening to and our database, our past experience of both live and reproduced sound. Thus Performance Assessment Tracks are used to evaluate, amongst other things, tonal balance (frequency response), low-level information retrieval ability (noise), capacity to cope with sonic complexity (intermodulation), naturalness and realism (transient response, absence of harmonic and of distortion in general). Now, to accurately assess all those qualities you need excellent recordings, those which are able to portray the sound of instruments and vocals as they're listened from the audience, those which capture cues of the space where the original event was performed. The recording of two voices in an anechoic chamber is important because humans are most sensitive to the sound human voice. Orchestral and choral music is difficult to reproduce because of it's complexity (you can have a hundred instruments and as many voices playing different things simultaneously) and extreme dynamic swings. A large orchestra of the late romantic period will include a large variety of acoustic instruments and this provides the oportunity to evaluate how the system reproduces the timbre of those instruments. Unlike amplified gigs, with classical music one can actually compare one's listening experience of live performances with what our system is reproducing. And unlike rock or pop and a lot of jazz, classical music is recorded in venues with natural acoustic reverberance which is also a good measure for realism. Finally, unlike most pop and rock, classical music is not just about percussive or syncopated sounds - there's a lot of legato sound, notes connected to each other, the use of the bow instead of the finger - and this makes it easier to determine low-level resolution and tonal balance. So we disagree. Good, or should I write excellent, recordings are paramount to evaluate performace from an observationist perspective. The funny thing is that a system which performs well in the aspects which I mentioned will make Billie Holiday's old mono recordings, or Callas', Casals', etc. sound much better because one can listen to more of the recorded signal, in spite of all their problems. I do agree that Krells & Pigeons & Barbies & Bubbles will make any system sound reasonably good. That is why they are so popular in shows... I don't find them useful to evaluate performance. I've never heard any "pop" recordings that I thought* could tell me anything about the performance of a system beyond frequency response and transient response. Pop recordings have no real soundstage. Everything is recorded separately and placed where they are across the stage according to the whim of the producer, with input from the "talent". There is depth to the image, because instrumental placement is not acoustical, it's electronic making it two dimensional. Reverb is artificial from a DSP device like a Lexicon reverb box. You can't even count on it to test distortion because the playing has been run through so many "fuzz boxes" and other electronic effects generators that you're not hearing the instruments, as they make their sounds, but after each electronic effects boxes have done their thing adding layers of harmonic and IM distortion. * YMMV semente, Hugo9000 and Ralf11 2 1 George Link to comment
Possum Jenkins Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 I am listening to the vinyl of this almost daily, for me it's perfection. https://www.discogs.com/Bad-Company-Bad-Company/release/2246044 mrvco 1 Link to comment
sandyk Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 6 hours ago, kumakuma said: The button you referring to is an "Off Topic" button, not a "Dislike" button. I used it in that way to express my opinion that the post was off topic for this thread. To you and a few other members, anything you don't agree with is " off topic" when it's an expansion of your ON TOPIC reply ! You ARE using it as a DISLIKE button ! You try and direct mother members thinking into a narrow area to try and obtain the results you want. It's hard enough to always stay on topic without members other than the OP trying to act as " Thought Police" as well. Ralf11 1 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
Popular Post kumakuma Posted August 13, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, sandyk said: To you and a few other members, anything you don't agree with is " off topic" when it's an expansion of your ON TOPIC reply ! You ARE using it as a DISLIKE button ! You try and direct mother members thinking into a narrow area to try and obtain the results you want. It's hard enough to always stay on topic without members other than the OP trying to act as " Thought Police" as well. If you are referring to Frank's constant spamming of this forum with hundreds of posts containing zero actionable information, yes, this is something I disagree with. Hugo9000, wgscott and Ralf11 2 1 Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
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