FURIOUS!

[Albrecht]

3 hours ago, marce said:

A lot of overpriced audio cables are a scam, backed by dubious claims and made up physics...

With Whisky they don't make the dubious claims, there is a difference.

Maybe if more questioned things in audio then we would all achieve better sound reproduction, just to many myths and false claims in some areas of commercial audio, cables being one of the main areas where money can be made so we have endless fancy cables doing magical things that don't happen in other areas of electronics.

A lot of unreasonable audiophile website trolls are ignorant, - not testing and making absurd claims about something that they know nothing about; with made-up physics.

Maybe if more people actually TESTED things in audio, we would all achieve better sound reproduction, - instead of just cowardly repeating things that other trolls have said and they have no knowledge of either.

 

In some areas of commercial enterprises, cables, are one area where the anti-audiophile makes all sorts of baseless claims about cost to manufacturer, properties of the cables, cost to build, and how much profit the designer makes. So we have endless and clueless statements about the efficacy of cables that the anti-audiophile is completely clueless about.

But that is par for the course with internet bullies.....

[vmartell22]

15 minutes ago, Albrecht said:

A lot of unreasonable audiophile website trolls are ignorant, - not testing and making absurd claims about something that they know nothing about; with made-up physics.

 

 

On the contrary - at least here,  the argument against has always been backed by solid theory - physics and  ee - the scientists in this board are pretty knowledgeable... 

 

Not only that, we are talking a digital cable here (USB)  - the argument for super expensive digital cables is easy to rip apart... Now, those arguing for super expensive analog cables very often seem to resort to very deep obscure physics - and I am amazed and in awe of their knowledge (unless it is actually MADE UP) - HOWEVER - I don't think they have proved they have an audible effect.

 

[HMM   EDIT: This is the second time I do it - I believe albrecht actually agrees with me - this is the last time I respond quickly ]

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[Albrecht]

11 hours ago, gmgraves said:

It's more than outrageous, it's criminal, and I'm in the wrong business!

 

LOL... start a Hedge Fund.

[Albrecht]

1 hour ago, gmgraves said:

Then get annoyed. I don't care how the guy spends his money. Wouldn't lift a finger to stop him. But there's and old saying: "A fool and his money are soon parted." and while I celebrate his ability to buy what he wants, I have no sympathy for him because his cat destroyed the cable. If my kitten (if I had one), destroyed my USB cable, I would shake my finger at him/her, and while smiling, say "Naughty kitten" and then reach in my miscellaneous cable drawer and extract another $2 USB cable, because that's what they cost!  

""I don't care how the guy spends his money""

 

Obviously not true: otherwise you wouldn't be here spitting vitriol. Of course high end audio manufacturers make so little profit, - that fact seems to escape you. Do you also spend a lot of time on other websites attacking REAL profiteers like Bayer, Raytheon, Exxon, Bechtel, General Dynamics, Goldman Sachs, or Gucci, Tiffany, etc?

[Albrecht]

19 minutes ago, vmartell22 said:

 

On the contrary - at least here,  the argument against has always been backed by solid theory - physics and  ee - the scientists in this board are pretty knowledgeable... 

 

Not only that, we are talking a digital cable here (USB)  - the argument for super expensive digital cables is easy to rip apart... Now, those arguing for super expensive analog cables very often seem to resort to very deep obscure physics - and I am amazed and in awe of their knowledge (unless it is actually MADE UP) - HOWEVER - I don't think they have proved they have an audible effect.

 

[HMM   EDIT: This is the second time I do it - I believe albrecht actually agrees with me - this is the last time I respond quickly ]

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""On the contrary - at least here,  the argument against has always been backed by solid theory - physics and  ee - the scientists in this board are pretty knowledgeable... ""

 

Not true in the least. Most aren't testing themselves, - but repeating the speculations of others.

 

""Not only that, we are talking a digital cable here (USB)  - the argument for super expensive digital cables is easy to rip apart..."

 

Then why has no one done it? Especially when (USB) cables have been demonstrated to affect system's performance.

 

""Now, those arguing for super expensive analog cables very often seem to resort to very deep obscure physics ""

How can you have "obscure physics?" Explain that one to me..... Are you talking about measured difference in capacitance, inductance, make-up of materials? What?

 

""and I am amazed and in awe of their knowledge""

Extensive comparative listening experiences? Me too..... (THE MOST IMPORTANT KNOWLEDGE ONE CAN HAVE).

 

""HOWEVER - I don't think they have proved they have an audible effect.""

Some do, and some don't, (depending on context) There's only one way to find out!! TEST IT YOURSELF IN YOUR SYSTEM. Everything, - and I MEAN everything, - is just speculation: unless one is blatantly trolling, - like the many "speculators" here....

[Ralf11]

36 minutes ago, vmartell22 said:

- the scientists on this board are pretty knowledgeable... 

 

 

even the engineers on this board are pretty knowledgeable... 

[christopher3393]

16 hours ago, Ralf11 said:

you'd think the kitten would have gone after a CAT-6, or even better, CAT-7 cable

 

Cat 8 just sounds like an invitation.

[vmartell22]

2 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

 

even the engineers on this board are pretty knowledgeable... 

 

An engineer is a scientist , don't let anyone tell you otherwise

 

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[mansr]

4 minutes ago, vmartell22 said:

An engineer is a scientist , don't let anyone tell you otherwise

They are different although there is a lot of overlap. Ask any engineer or scientist.

[Ralf11]

There is some overlap, but engineers get to take easy, cookbook classes as undergrads. ... ?

 

The major difference is that engineers have undergrad. degrees, sometimes a MS.  Scientists are not created until a PhD.

[Albrecht]

1 hour ago, vmartell22 said:

 

An engineer is a scientist , don't let anyone tell you otherwise

 

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An engineer is NOT a scientist: especially not an investigative scientist, - and that is demonstrated repeatedly by the pervasive rejection of the scientific method by several (naysaying) engineers here.

[AudioDoctor]

lol...

 

I'll start the popcorn machine.

[christopher3393]

18 hours ago, Nordkapp said:

One should never drink and type. 

 

hmmm...wouldn't that hurt Fri/Sat eve traffic here?

 

not to mention some literary work:

Hemingway

 

Faulkner

 

Dorothy Parker

 

Carson McCullers

 

Charles Bukowski

 

Tennessee Williams

 

Hunter S. Thompson

 

and a host of others! Sip, type, sip.

 

So, why not Get Furious and Type Your Masterpiece!

 

 

 

[Nordkapp]

Well, back on topic. I've reached out to said individual regarding the mishap. Anxiously waiting for more specifics on this magic USB cable.

[mansr]

5 minutes ago, Nordkapp said:

Well, back on topic. I've reached out to said individual regarding the mishap. Anxiously waiting for more specifics on this magic USB cable.

I want specifics on the kitten.

[Albrecht]

8 minutes ago, mansr said:

I want specifics on the kitten.

Yeah.. me too.. The same ignorant trolls who don't understand the high performance audio industry and make ridiculous speculations about the products, likely, hate pets as much as they do enhancing their listening experience.

[pkane2001]

38 minutes ago, Albrecht said:

The same ignorant trolls who don't understand the high performance audio industry and make ridiculous speculations about the products, likely, hate pets as much as they do enhancing their listening experience.

 

This thread desperately needs some cute kitten photos.

[Allan F]

10 hours ago, 4est said:

Excuse me then, I read that wrong even though I do feel it is bad form to take joy in an others mishaps.

 

An non-believer.

...in schadenfreude, that is.

[new_media]

18 minutes ago, pkane2001 said:

 

This thread desperately needs some cute kitten photos.

[plissken]

"Smart" enough to buy a $6000 cable but not "Smart" enough to purchase a bottle of sour apple solution and treat his cables with it so when the cat goes to bite it gets a mouthful of sour and leaves off. 

[Ralf11]

27 minutes ago, pkane2001 said:

 

This thread desperately needs some cute kitten photos.

 

 

 

[pkane2001]

4 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

 

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure that's a $6 USB cable, not a $6K one... But I heard all USB cables taste the same, even in a blind test.

 

[Ralf11]

but the kitten's eyes are open

[pkane2001]

7 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

but the kitten's eyes are open

 

This kitten is obviously a subjectivist.

[sandyk]

29 minutes ago, plissken said:

"Smart" enough to buy a $6000 cable but not "Smart" enough to purchase a bottle of sour apple solution and treat his cables with it so when the cat goes to bite it gets a mouthful of sour and leaves off. 

 Does this have any long term effect on the exterior of the cables ?

 I tried almost everything without success with 2 generations of cats to prevent them from using my speakers as scratching posts.  As they were rented properties I was unable to fit an additional door to keep them out.