Allan F Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 52 minutes ago, fas42 said: That's not the way it works. Sorry, but that is how it works! There are things that can be done on playback to make a bad recording more listenable (e.g. equalization, tone controls) but playback cannot turn a bad recording into a good one. George has tried to get through to you about this fundamental truth, but he is obviously wasting his time. STC 1 "Relax, it's only hi-fi. There's never been a hi-fi emergency." - Roy Hall "Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." - William Bruce Cameron Link to comment
Allan F Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 7 hours ago, accwai said: Don't know why you're so sure the add-on accessories have any effect. Can't tell myself since I've never driven one that's even close to stock. You continually and selectively ignore parts of what George has to say, thereby missing the point. If you can't tell that the add-ons do have an effect by changing the appearance of the car, whether for good or for bad, then you must be blind. "Relax, it's only hi-fi. There's never been a hi-fi emergency." - Roy Hall "Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." - William Bruce Cameron Link to comment
fas42 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 11 minutes ago, Allan F said: Sorry, but that is how it works! There are things that can be done on playback to make a bad recording more listenable (e.g. equalization, tone controls) but playback cannot turn a bad recording into a good one. George has tried to get through to you about this fundamental truth, but he is obviously wasting his time. It seems fairly clear that you have never heard a playback setup achieve high levels of "transparency" - which is why you feel comfortable with positing that it can't happen - I note that you didn't respond to my earlier post querying why you were so certain. If "fundamental truths" are so because that is the experience of the indvidual concerned, then I think science has still some way to go ... Link to comment
Allan F Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 24 minutes ago, fas42 said: It seems fairly clear that you have never heard a playback setup achieve high levels of "transparency"... Quite the contrary, I have heard many such systems, including my own. I suspect that you don't know the meaning of "transparency" as it applies to audio. A "transparent" system reproduces, as far as possible, exactly what is on the recording without alteration, from source to speakers. A transparent system will reveal any audible changes made to the playback system. However, transparency has nothing to do with turning a bad recording into a good one. End of discussion for me, as I can see absolutely no point in pursuing it any further with you. "Relax, it's only hi-fi. There's never been a hi-fi emergency." - Roy Hall "Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." - William Bruce Cameron Link to comment
fas42 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, Allan F said: A "transparent" system reproduces, as far as possible, exactly what is on the recording without alteration, from source to speakers. It has nothing to do with turning a bad recording into a good one. I see. Your system has the highest level of integrity possible, adding zero distortion during playback, which means it allows you to identify, and separate out "bad" from "good" recordings - unlike some other audiophiles. Care to share the exquisite details of this remarkable combo? Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 On 4/16/2018 at 6:29 PM, Ralf11 said: it's at least a year old the purpose is to separate money from wallets This is their only purpose. No electron left behind. Link to comment
Allan F Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 14 minutes ago, fas42 said: Care to share the exquisite details of this remarkable combo? Read the concluding sentence of my last reply to you. Bye. "Relax, it's only hi-fi. There's never been a hi-fi emergency." - Roy Hall "Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." - William Bruce Cameron Link to comment
Popular Post elcorso Posted April 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2018 18 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said: This is their only purpose. Each industry invents or determines parameters to obtain juicy sales and profits. For example, if we talk about the big pharma, they every day put lower "healthy" standards of: - Blood pressure. - Blood glucose. - Cholesterol levels. Should they go to jail for this? Roch Nordkapp and Solstice380 2 Link to comment
gmgraves Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 9 hours ago, accwai said: That's a rather unique view in itself. It seems to be far more prevalent here on CA to view the whole high end industry as dubious. Example: who can look at the price tag on a Kondo Ongaku with a straight face? I don't have direct experience with the Ongaku but I do know quite well a smaller scale implementation of that exact type of thing. Does it do anything special? Lets not talk about that since I don't want to go to jail. Don't know why you're so sure the add-on accessories have any effect. Can't tell myself since I've never driven one that's even close to stock. So who knows if they really work or are just all money grabbing snake-oil. As for the vinyl demagnetizer, never used one either. These demagnetizers are not just for software though. They're often used on cable connectors and vacuum tubes as well. The vinyl version is supposed to be more powerful than the smaller CD version, which can also be used on cable connectors and vacuum tubes. And it can be used on blank CD-R before they're burnt. Does that make any difference? Once again lets not talk about that since I don't want to go to jail Now the fat cable. Don't know much about it so I can say if it's anything special. Nothing beyond much smaller cable is likely true. Don't know about the much cheaper part though. In any case, I've now far exceeded my self imposed posting quota. So thank you for an interesting conversation and see you later elsewhere. What does discussing these things have to do with going to jail? For that matter what does anything here have to do with going to jail? George Link to comment
Popular Post gmgraves Posted April 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2018 1 hour ago, elcorso said: Each industry invents or determines parameters to obtain juicy sales and profits. For example, if we talk about the big pharma, they every day put lower "healthy" standards of: - Blood pressure. - Blood glucose. - Cholesterol levels. Should they go to jail for this? Roch Reducto ad Absurdem (SP?) semente and AudioDoctor 2 George Link to comment
Nordkapp Posted April 22, 2018 Author Share Posted April 22, 2018 I wonder if these guys make some cool HP cables too? They gotta be at least 2-3" in diameter. Think about that for a moment boys. SMH..... Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 1 hour ago, gmgraves said: Reducto ad Absurdem (SP?) Thanks, and it isn't the Pharma companies that decide what the standards are anyway. edit: If the Pharma companies are attempting to influence the decisions of the AMA or any other organization that decides these things then yes, they should go to jail. semente 1 No electron left behind. Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 what?? someone is attempting to influence the decisions of the AMA? sacre bleu!! Link to comment
Rexp Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 14 hours ago, gmgraves said: No one who posts here is an "anti-audiophile" by definition. And you should really stop calling folks that. It' s a lot like an ultra Conservative calling someone a "traitor" because they are a Liberal Democrat. In both cases, the "other side" simply sees the situation differently based on their own criteria Nievity or collusion with the enemy. Bit like the Vishy French. Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 38 minutes ago, Ralf11 said: what?? someone is attempting to influence the decisions of the AMA? sacre bleu!! and I think they should go to jail. No one ever listens to anything I have to say though. No electron left behind. Link to comment
Rexp Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 14 hours ago, gmgraves said: I am anything but confused. I'm just tired of posters here calling people "anti-audiophiles" or false audiophiles simply because they might disagree with another poster's opinion. And what I think of someone who buys the featured cables is neither here nor there. People have a right to buy what they want. Just because the cable in question has no worth from an electrical standpoint doesn't obviate its "bling" appeal. If one can afford the price of a small car for something that doesn't really do anything special except look impressive, then, more power to them. I think you're confused because you seem to have given up on the goal of hi end audio and settled for mid fi components like your Harman Kardon amp (yes I have heard it). So instead of praising those who strive for great sound you appease the group of Anti Audiophiles who denegrate Audiophiles at every opportunity. Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 34 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said: and I think they should go to jail. No one ever listens to anything I have to say though. who pays? maybe it would be cheaper to just buy them a mid-fi system AudioDoctor 1 Link to comment
gmgraves Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 10 hours ago, Rexp said: I think you're confused because you seem to have given up on the goal of hi end audio and settled for mid fi components like your Harman Kardon amp (yes I have heard it). So instead of praising those who strive for great sound you appease the group of Anti Audiophiles who denegrate Audiophiles at every opportunity. You don't know what you are talking about. Mid-fi indeed! And I always praise those who strive for great sound, I just don't praise ignorant, stupid, delusional or stubborn! George Link to comment
gmgraves Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 11 hours ago, Rexp said: Nievity or collusion with the enemy. Bit like the Vishy French. Enemy? You see audiophiles who don't agree with your opinions as THE ENEMY? Wow, You need help my friend. This is a hobby, not national security! Perhaps you should step back from audio for a bit and gain some proper perspective! marce 1 George Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 2 hours ago, gmgraves said: You don't know what you are talking about. Mid-fi indeed! And I always praise those who strive for great sound, I just don't praise ignorant, stupid, delusional or stubborn! hopefully, he was being satirical Link to comment
Popular Post christopher3393 Posted April 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2018 14 hours ago, Rexp said: Nievity or collusion with the enemy. Bit like the Vishy French. You, my friend, have just earned the coveted "Slaughtered Spelling of the Month" Award! Not to worry. You still made the point that George is like the Marshal Petain of Audiophilia, collaborating with the Nazis of Audio (the fascist Anti-Audiophiles), so a traitor to freedom-loving Audiophiles everywhere. He betrayed the loyalty oath! pkane2001, AudioDoctor and semente 3 Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 15 hours ago, Ralf11 said: who pays? maybe it would be cheaper to just buy them a mid-fi system The ultimate punishment... No electron left behind. Link to comment
pkane2001 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 37 minutes ago, christopher3393 said: You, my friend, have just earned the coveted "Slaughtered Spelling of the Month" Award! Not to worry. You still made the point that George is like the Marshal Petain of Audiophilia, collaborating with the Nazis of Audio (the fascist Anti-Audiophiles), so a traitor to freedom-loving Audiophiles everywhere. He betrayed the loyalty oath! Lock her... errr... him up!!! -Paul DeltaWave, DISTORT, Earful, PKHarmonic, new: Multitone Analyzer Link to comment
Popular Post gmgraves Posted April 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2018 26 minutes ago, christopher3393 said: You, my friend, have just earned the coveted "Slaughtered Spelling of the Month" Award! Not to worry. You still made the point that George is like the Marshal Petain of Audiophilia, collaborating with the Nazis of Audio (the fascist Anti-Audiophiles), so a traitor to freedom-loving Audiophiles everywhere. He betrayed the loyalty oath! Where do you guys get the notion that I'm an anti-audiophile? I simply don't understand that. I've been an audio enthusiast longer than many of you have been on this earth and have spent many hundreds of thousands of dollars on audio gear over the years! I am so much of an audiophile that I make my own recordings using professional-grade (and cost) gear because most commercial recordings don't sound good enough for me! How much more of an audiophile can one be? Just because my Master's degree in Electronic's Engineering won't let me buy into some of the nonsense that the audio snake-oil salesman are hawking and I know about expectational bias doesn't make me any less of an audio enthusiast than any of you! My criteria for sound quality is simple: When it sounds, through my home system, like the microphone feed sounded through my monitor headphones at the recording site, then I have accurate sound. That is far more important to me than the "great sound" that many of you are chasing in a vacuum, totally devoid of references. On the other hand, I go to at least two live classical concerts a month - and will walk out of any I see using sound reinforcement! IOW, I re-calibrate my ears OFTEN. How many of you so called "true audiophiles" do that! I get the impression that most of you just sit around listening to 30-40 year old rock music and think that's high-fidelity and are pretty ignorant of what is possible in audio and what isn't. To me you guys are the anti-audiophiles because I have stayed true to the meaning of the phrase "Stereophonic High-Fidelity." while most of you have gone off on some tangent of bright, sparkling highs and booming bass, not realizing (or caring) that real music doesn't sound like that. But then most of you don't ever listen to real music so what do you know! Hugo9000, Nordkapp, phosphorein and 2 others 3 2 George Link to comment
Kal Rubinson Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 27 minutes ago, gmgraves said: Where do you guys get the notion that I'm an anti-audiophile? I simply don't understand that. I've been an audio enthusiast longer than many of you have been on this earth and have spent many hundreds of thousands of dollars on audio gear over the years! Yup. I remember being influenced by your comments about speaker cables and Apogee Duetta IIs back in 1988. Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
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