orchardaudio Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Check it out here: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1844799967/applepi-dac-highest-performance-raspberry-pi-dac Reviews: The Audio Beatnik "Ok, specs are great and all, but how did it really sound? Frankly, very good, surprisingly good." and "The mid-range and truthiness of the music rivaled that of the other DACs I have on hand that cost significantly more." Read the full review at this link: http://theaudiobeatnik.com/applepi-dac-review-theres-art-in-this-dac-and-it-shows/ Volumio's Founder -- Michelangelo "Sound-stage and spatial resolution are just excellent." and "This DAC is producing the most detailed sound to ever come out of my Raspberry PI, all the subtle nuances of my test tracks were there and clearly distinguished from everything else." Read the full review at this link: https://volumio.org/forum/orchard-audio-applepi-dac-review-t9633.html Link to comment
orchardaudio Posted April 12, 2018 Author Share Posted April 12, 2018 After one day we are funded 16%. It's a great start we are looking to hit 500%. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1844799967/applepi-dac-highest-performance-raspberry-pi-dac Link to comment
seeteeyou Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 I like your sense of humor Seriously, it's a much better choice to provide an option for powering your DAC with LT3045-A instead of that $25 SMPS PSU http://www.ldovr.com/product-p/lt3045-a.htm https://www.ebay.com/itm/LT3045-A-Ultralow-noise-0-8-Vrms-LDO-linear-regulator-0V-15V-1A-Fixed-out/253378132579 Simply get one for $25.95 to compare the difference on your own. IMHO it wouldn't be such a good idea to invest in such a great DAC while powering it with something like that kinda SMPS PSU. Link to comment
orchardaudio Posted April 12, 2018 Author Share Posted April 12, 2018 6 hours ago, seeteeyou said: I like your sense of humor Seriously, it's a much better choice to provide an option for powering your DAC with LT3045-A instead of that $25 SMPS PSU http://www.ldovr.com/product-p/lt3045-a.htm https://www.ebay.com/itm/LT3045-A-Ultralow-noise-0-8-Vrms-LDO-linear-regulator-0V-15V-1A-Fixed-out/253378132579 Simply get one for $25.95 to compare the difference on your own. IMHO it wouldn't be such a good idea to invest in such a great DAC while powering it with something like that kinda SMPS PSU. It will have its own power connector, so you will have the option of powering the DAC separately from the Rpi. Link to comment
orchardaudio Posted April 12, 2018 Author Share Posted April 12, 2018 With only two days into the project we already have more than 50% funding. We are aiming for 500%. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1844799967/applepi-dac-highest-performance-raspberry-pi-dac Link to comment
George Hincapie Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Why do you need 500%? Why not 100%? Link to comment
orchardaudio Posted April 13, 2018 Author Share Posted April 13, 2018 7 hours ago, George Hincapie said: Why do you need 500%? Why not 100%? Because I want to have larger market penetration. Link to comment
orchardaudio Posted April 13, 2018 Author Share Posted April 13, 2018 With an SNR of 128dB and a THD+N of 0.0005% the ApplePi DAC blows away the competion. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1844799967/applepi-dac-highest-performance-raspberry-pi-dac Link to comment
GUTB Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 People are seriously paying $175 for this? Or hasn’t it been released yet? Problems: 1. 1794 2. Zero EMI/RF shielding, not even a case. 3. Very low-end clock 4. Tiny output circuit. 5. Baby power supply that bundles with a SMPS. This isn’t a real DAC. It might fly as a Massdrop product to appeal to those types of buyers. Link to comment
orchardaudio Posted April 13, 2018 Author Share Posted April 13, 2018 Size is not indicative of performance or quality. I suggest you sign up for the tour here to find out for yourself: http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=155479.new#new. People who have listened to it, came away impressed. http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=155479.msg1677776#msg1677776 and http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=155479.msg1678091#msg1678091 Link to comment
orchardaudio Posted April 15, 2018 Author Share Posted April 15, 2018 I will be doing a demo of the ApplePi DAC and the CRISPIN amplifier in Long Island, NY on April 28th, There is room for a few more people. If you would be interested in attending send me a PM to get full info. Link to comment
matthias Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 Interesting will be a comparison to the Allo Katana DAC which will be launched in about two months: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/vendor-s-bazaar/310338-dac-allo-ess9028q2m-rpi.html Matt franz159 1 "I want to know why the musicians are on stage, not where". (John Farlowe) Link to comment
semente Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 On 13/04/2018 at 1:35 PM, orchardaudio said: With an SNR of 128dB and a THD+N of 0.0005% the ApplePi DAC blows away the competion. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1844799967/applepi-dac-highest-performance-raspberry-pi-dac AUDIOPHONICS DAC I-Sabre ES9028Q2M Dynamic range129dB THD+N -120dB/0.0001% https://www.audiophonics.fr/en/diy-dac/audiophonics-i-sabre-dac-es9028q2m-kali-edition-raspberry-pi-3-2-i2s-p-12212.html "Science draws the wave, poetry fills it with water" Teixeira de Pascoaes HQPlayer Desktop / Mac mini → Intona 7054 → RME ADI-2 DAC FS (DSD256) Link to comment
orchardaudio Posted April 15, 2018 Author Share Posted April 15, 2018 22 minutes ago, semente said: AUDIOPHONICS DAC I-Sabre ES9028Q2M Dynamic range129dB THD+N -120dB/0.0001% https://www.audiophonics.fr/en/diy-dac/audiophonics-i-sabre-dac-es9028q2m-kali-edition-raspberry-pi-3-2-i2s-p-12212.html Dynamic range of the Apple Pi DAC is >135dB, SNR and dynamic range are not the same thing. You also have to be careful when looking at the specs, they posted the specs of the ES9028, not the specs their circuit achieves. In order to get the specified specs you have to run the ES9028 with differential outputs, which they are not doing. Using single ended outputs you lose 3dB right of the bat. All ApplePi DAC specs are measured not theoretical. MikeyFresh 1 Link to comment
franz159 Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 The dac is very interesting. As mentioned already, it will be interesting to see how it will compare with competition such as the Allo Katana. Personally (but that is just me) after two disappointing experiences with crowdfunding, mainly in terms of long delays in shipment, I will never enter any crowdfunding initiative. IMHO a promised 12-15% discount on the projected RRP is not worth the risk from an end-user perspective. Link to comment
semente Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 16 minutes ago, orchardaudio said: Dynamic range of the Apple Pi DAC is >135dB, SNR and dynamic range are not the same thing. You also have to be careful when looking at the specs, they posted the specs of the ES9028, not the specs their circuit achieves. In order to get the specified specs you have to run the ES9028 with differential outputs, which they are not doing. Using single ended outputs you lose 3dB right of the bat. All ApplePi DAC specs are measured not theoretical. I see. What's the diference between balance and differential outputs? Can the digital filtering be bypassed in your ApplePi? "Science draws the wave, poetry fills it with water" Teixeira de Pascoaes HQPlayer Desktop / Mac mini → Intona 7054 → RME ADI-2 DAC FS (DSD256) Link to comment
opus101 Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 46 minutes ago, orchardaudio said: Dynamic range of the Apple Pi DAC is >135dB How was this measured? Link to comment
orchardaudio Posted April 15, 2018 Author Share Posted April 15, 2018 2 hours ago, franz159 said: The dac is very interesting. As mentioned already, it will be interesting to see how it will compare with competition such as the Allo Katana. Personally (but that is just me) after two disappointing experiences with crowdfunding, mainly in terms of long delays in shipment, I will never enter any crowdfunding initiative. IMHO a promised 12-15% discount on the projected RRP is not worth the risk from an end-user perspective. I understand I have been there, actually I am having the same issue with a different project that I backed. I have everything lined up and ready to go into manufacturing already. So there should not be a delay barring any component shortages. Link to comment
orchardaudio Posted April 15, 2018 Author Share Posted April 15, 2018 2 hours ago, semente said: I see. What's the diference between balance and differential outputs? Can the digital filtering be bypassed in your ApplePi? Balanced and differential is the same thing in this case. That dac has only single ended outputs. Link to comment
orchardaudio Posted April 15, 2018 Author Share Posted April 15, 2018 1 hour ago, opus101 said: How was this measured? Here you go. Link to comment
opus101 Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, orchardaudio said: Here you go. Its an FFT but you've not specified the effective bin bandwidth. So there's no way to tell the dynamic range from this that I can see. If you can do it, then do let us all into the secret. Link to comment
orchardaudio Posted April 15, 2018 Author Share Posted April 15, 2018 55 minutes ago, opus101 said: Its an FFT but you've not specified the effective bin bandwidth. So there's no way to tell the dynamic range from this that I can see. If you can do it, then do let us all into the secret. Dynamic range describes the ratio of the softest sound to the loudest sound in a musical instrument or piece of electronic equipment. This ratio is measured in decibels (abbreviated as dB) units. From the FFT you can derive the ratio between the softest and loudest that it can achieve. Link to comment
orchardaudio Posted April 15, 2018 Author Share Posted April 15, 2018 I will be doing a demo of the ApplePi DAC and the CRISPIN amplifier in Long Island, NY on April 28th, There is room for a few more people. If you would be interested in attending send me a PM to get full info. Link to comment
opus101 Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 41 minutes ago, orchardaudio said: From the FFT you can derive the ratio between the softest and loudest that it can achieve. If the 'softest' it can produce is the noise then no, the FFT plot you shared cannot be used to quantify the noise. That's because the noise depends on the bandwidth its measured in and you've not provided that information. Do you know the effective bin bandwidth? If not then do you know how many FFT points there are in the transform and the sample rate? Link to comment
matthias Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 @orchardaudio It would be nice if you show the THD+N in dB values like the other specs. The THD+N of your DAC is 106dB, certainly not a top value. Matt "I want to know why the musicians are on stage, not where". (John Farlowe) Link to comment
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