Encore Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Seeing that the three reviews on Qobuz all expressed disappointment about the DR of the hires version being the same as for the Redbook version, I decided to get the latter. As in - I bought the CD and ripped it. My impressions are that I don’t know quite what to think about the result. While I enjoy the proper stereo, I think the voices are a little drowned out by the instruments, which have become almost too full and modern sounding. Also, I think that particularly the voices sound more edgy/less natural and organic than on the 24 bit remaster from 2009. While I haven’t analyzed the DR of the 2009 24 bit remaster, it looks noticeably less loud and more dynamic than the 2017 remaster in Roon’s visualization of the tracks. I haven’t regretted buying the 2017 remaster but that is mostly because of the Disc 2 with a treasure trove of alternative takes and instrumental versions and a lot of chatter from the recording sessions. Really fun. All best, Jens i5 Macbook Pro running Roon -> Uptone Etherregen -> custom-built Win10 PC serving as endpoint, with separate LPUs for mobo and a filtering digiboard (DIY) -> Audio Note DAC 5ish (a heavily modded 3.1X Bal) -> AN Kit One, heavily modded with silver wiring and Black Gates -> AN E-SPx Alnico on Townshend speaker bars. Vicoustic and GIK treatment. Link to comment
firedog Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Listen to it a few more times without comparing and I bet you will like it more. It is more volume compressed than the 2009 remaster. Doak 1 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
Encore Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 On 1/20/2018 at 5:12 PM, firedog said: It is more volume compressed than the 2009 remaster. Where people were already complaining about the slight volume compression they had done. I was not one of them, though. I think they struck a pretty good balance in that respect on the 2009 remaster. But I'll definitely give if some more listens. It's still interesting to hear details that couldn't be heard on the previous stereo versions. All best, Jens i5 Macbook Pro running Roon -> Uptone Etherregen -> custom-built Win10 PC serving as endpoint, with separate LPUs for mobo and a filtering digiboard (DIY) -> Audio Note DAC 5ish (a heavily modded 3.1X Bal) -> AN Kit One, heavily modded with silver wiring and Black Gates -> AN E-SPx Alnico on Townshend speaker bars. Vicoustic and GIK treatment. Link to comment
bigbob Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 On 1/8/2018 at 4:09 AM, firedog said: If definitive means "best", then yes. This one has the advantage that the remaining principals approved it. GM was quoted somewhere saying that Paul and Ringo did ask for changes in some of the test mixes they received, so apparently their approval is something to be taken fairly seriously. I am so pleased with the HDTracks version, just as I enjoy other Hi-Res Audio files. Wax nostalgic about the original version all you wish, but at that time my "stereo" was a Garrard turntable plugged into an Am-Fm table radio that had a line input. Hardly Audiophile listening. And I bet most 10-year-olds were not enjoying it on any better gear unless their father was an Audiophile, and the children were not allowed near "His System" Therefore, at the age of 60, and hearing the best of the Brit bands, performing their creative efforts, as they intended, on equipment that wasn't even envisioned at that time-- I am glad. Link to comment
MrReliable Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Long time listeners of this album may have a hard time loving this somewhat sunny remix. The much lauded original and its multiple reissues had and retained a reflective and moody essence, which I'm sad to say has been wiped away in this "definitive" remix. Smooth, creamy harmonies have replaced what were frequently a bit buried vocals, which even if unintentional at the time, contributed to the record's mysteriousness. You had to listen closely to hear what was sung, and that drew you in. That's gone now. It's all bright and shiny and effortless to listen to. This Pepper has more in common sonically with Abbey Road or even Love, than it does with Revolver. Listeners more open to a fresh sound will find a huge, wide open sound stage, cleaner sound effects, and a few uncovered artifacts (the reprise has quite a bit you never heard before). Its all a bit airbrushed, rather like listening to Rumours, or Songs in the Key of Life. Like the renovation of the Sistine Chapel, I don't think anyone asked for it but we got it anyway, and surprise, surprise. This Pepper is gorgeous, if that's what you want. Link to comment
firedog Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 I wouldn't call it "sunny", I'd call it "clear". I saw one review where the reviewer said Paul McCartney's voice in "She's Leaving Home" had become angry or agressive or something like that in the remix. I don't hear that at all. If someone likes the original mix that's fine; but I don't understand how hearing more of the detail and what's on the master tapes is a bad thing. The music and performance should be what draws you in, not the murkiness of the version. That said, I would have preferred it if there was a high-res version with a bit less volume compression. I think that would have given us the best of both worlds. Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
Encore Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 I think it's more that the reissue sounds too modern and not like a 1967 album. Compression is probably a big part of it, but I'm not sure it's the whole story, although I can't put my finger on exactly what it is. I don't have the mastering vocabulary for it. All best, Jens i5 Macbook Pro running Roon -> Uptone Etherregen -> custom-built Win10 PC serving as endpoint, with separate LPUs for mobo and a filtering digiboard (DIY) -> Audio Note DAC 5ish (a heavily modded 3.1X Bal) -> AN Kit One, heavily modded with silver wiring and Black Gates -> AN E-SPx Alnico on Townshend speaker bars. Vicoustic and GIK treatment. Link to comment
fritzg Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 On 1/30/2018 at 1:30 AM, firedog said: I wouldn't call it "sunny", I'd call it "clear". I saw one review where the reviewer said Paul McCartney's voice in "She's Leaving Home" had become angry or agressive or something like that in the remix. I don't hear that at all. If someone likes the original mix that's fine; but I don't understand how hearing more of the detail and what's on the master tapes is a bad thing. The music and performance should be what draws you in, not the murkiness of the version. That said, I would have preferred it if there was a high-res version with a bit less volume compression. I think that would have given us the best of both worlds. Do we know if the vinyl version as compressed as the CD and high-res? Link to comment
Brian A Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Wow. Just wow. I love it. To me the only thing lost in the new release is the documentation of the recording constraints of the era. I can’t imagine those recording/mixing compromises made in 1967 were part of the Beatles’ artistic intention. All I hear is goodness. Peachtree Audio DAC-iT, Dynaco Stereo 70 Amp w/ Curcio triode cascode conversion, MCM Systems .7 Monitors Link to comment
botrytis Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 On 2/25/2018 at 10:04 PM, fritzg said: Do we know if the vinyl version as compressed as the CD and high-res? I would expect the vinyl to be MORE compressed, as that is how they deal with dynamics. Current: Daphile on an AMD A10-9500 with 16 GB RAM DAC - TEAC UD-501 DAC Pre-amp - Rotel RC-1590 Amplification - Benchmark AHB2 amplifier Speakers - Revel M126Be with 2 REL 7/ti subwoofers Cables - Tara Labs RSC Reference and Blue Jean Cable Balanced Interconnects Link to comment
Encore Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 I just got the vinyl edition today, and I can safely say that it is waaaayyyy better than the CD version. The CD version of the reissue sounds too modern and not like a 1967 album. On vinyl it sounds like a 1967 album, only better than the original (at least the original stereo). I simply couldn't stand listening to the CD reissue. It sounded too brutal somehow. All best, Jens i5 Macbook Pro running Roon -> Uptone Etherregen -> custom-built Win10 PC serving as endpoint, with separate LPUs for mobo and a filtering digiboard (DIY) -> Audio Note DAC 5ish (a heavily modded 3.1X Bal) -> AN Kit One, heavily modded with silver wiring and Black Gates -> AN E-SPx Alnico on Townshend speaker bars. Vicoustic and GIK treatment. Link to comment
bish Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 "customer" wants it loud - gets it loud. i don't doubt the time, effort and respect in this remix. "i think the beatles would have wanted massive compression effects had they been available in 1967". it sounds as if you are standing too close too the speakers. Link to comment
Chip Gallo Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 I'm a big fan of the HDTracks release of this. They include work tracks that were components of the final track assembly. Back in the day, doing these kinds of albums was like putting together a complex aural puzzle, four tracks at a time. George Martin and the technical team at EMI were pioneers in this area. Link to comment
Real_Pancho Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 In reason 9 of your list of why this new remix is the best and definitive available, you refer to "George's bass." Why? It's McCartney. That is, at least, according to the notes Mark Lewisohn referred to in writing his famous document of their recording sessions in 1988. (The Complete Beatles Recording Sessions in the UK, and The Beatles: Recording Sessions in the USA) Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted December 9, 2018 Author Share Posted December 9, 2018 47 minutes ago, Real_Pancho said: In reason 9 of your list of why this new remix is the best and definitive available, you refer to "George's bass." Why? Because that’s who I thought was playing bass. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
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