Why Do People Come To Computer Audiophile To Display Their Contempt For Audiophiles?

[Jud]

Seen a lot of this lately, so just wonderin’.

[mav52]

Jealous, noting better to do, clueless, just want to type useless babble or just tired of high prices and fancy gear.,

[wgscott]

It gets boring on Lithium Audio where everyone is required to agree with one another according to the User Agreement.

[Speedskater]

I remember when audiophiles were interested in obtaining good sound by using good engineering practices and investigating how and why things unexpectedly sounded the same or sound different.

Now audiophiles can write any kind of unsupported statement and they are complemented for it.

The more fantasy science is involved, the more audiophiles like it.

[Daudio]

Hmmm... Perhaps some gear-heads and/or pseudo-scientists have a deep seated anxiety that even in all their self-righteousness, they could be very wrong. So to relieve this cognitive dissonance, they mock, dismiss, distract, and actively suppress any subjective talk that triggers that anxiety by getting too real. They also seem to find f-ing with other folks quite entertaining too.

 

Just my opinion...

[kumakuma]

I'm seeing two groups of audiophiles with different approaches to the hobby arguing with one another.

 

I'm not seeing a lot of folks coming to this site to attack the hobby itself.

[esldude]

Because when you can't even get across that a music file is recorded in monophonic sound when someone insists they hear imaging well what is left you could usefully discuss without someone uselessly disagreeing because "they hear"?

[jabbr]

2 minutes ago, kumakuma said:

I'm seeing two groups of audiophiles with different approaches to the hobby arguing with one another.

 

I'm not seeing a lot of folks coming to this site to attack the hobby itself.

You beat me to it  

 

As @wgscott alludes, certain other sites have much less tolerance of anything other than the party line.

[Jud]

12 minutes ago, Speedskater said:

I remember when audiophiles were interested in obtaining good sound by using good engineering practices and investigating how and why things unexpectedly sounded the same or sound different.

Now audiophiles can write any kind of unsupported statement and they are complemented for it.

The more fantasy science is involved, the more audiophiles like it.

 

A bunch of audiophiles are still interested in better sound through good engineering practices.  On the other hand, I don’t think people (audiophiles or anyone else) take kindly to folks telling them they’re idiots who sorely need educating.

 

Good information is a great thing, and there’s an audience here with a fair level of technical curiosity.  As long as the presentation isn’t offputting, some reasonable number of people will be interested.

[Albrecht]

9 minutes ago, kumakuma said:

I'm seeing two groups of audiophiles with different approaches to the hobby arguing with one another.

 

I'm not seeing a lot of folks coming to this site to attack the hobby itself.

Hi, not the subject of the OP's post.

[wdw]

55 minutes ago, Jud said:

Seen a lot of this lately, so just wonderin’.

Very interesting...great question, one I've often pondered.

[Jud]

8 minutes ago, esldude said:

Because when you can't even get across that a music file is recorded in monophonic sound when someone insists they hear imaging well what is left you could usefully discuss without someone uselessly disagreeing because "they hear"?

 

There will always be people who adhere to the plainly ridiculous.  Other than putting in a couple of words to prevent plain misinformation going uncorrected, drawn out arguments with these folks just give them an excuse to continue.

 

So why dwell on them?  Is that what you’d tend to do at a local bar or club?  I think you and just about all the rest of us would gravitate toward friendly chats with folks we like, or best of all, folks we like who can teach us about stuff we want to learn.

[Jud]

8 minutes ago, Albrecht said:

Hi, not the subject of the OP's post.

 

It’s all good.

[jabbr]

1 minute ago, Albrecht said:

Hi, not the subject of the OP's post.

Many times it is choice of language:

 

a) you are an idiot 

vs

b) I disagree with your idea for the following reasons

 

I think that, probably, folks intend to disagree with an idea, an approach or even a way of thinking but instead attack a person (an audiophile)

 

Thats more common than, for example, certain people who denigrate audiophiles as "suckers" as a way to make themselves appear more "on the know" -- that's less common

 

So I strongly think that if we could all avoid personal attacks, this behavior would diminish

[Jud]

1 minute ago, jabbr said:

Many times it is choice of language:

 

a) you are an idiot 

vs

b) I disagree with your idea for the following reasons

 

I think that, probably, folks intend to disagree with an idea, an approach or even a way of thinking but instead attack a person (an audiophile)

 

Thats more common than, for example, certain people who denigrate audiophiles as "suckers" as a way to make themselves appear more "on the know" -- that's less common

 

So I strongly think that if we could all avoid personal attacks, this behavior would diminish

 

Helpful, yes.  I do think there’s been a proliferation of the “audiophiles are suckers” meme lately.

[jabbr]

What I've also seen is that certain folks who are industry experts have been aggressively chased off the site -- is this related?

 

(eg @alfe and did @bdiament just get tired of us?)

[kumakuma]

3 minutes ago, jabbr said:

Thats more common than, for example, certain people who denigrate audiophiles as "suckers" as a way to make themselves appear more "on the know" -- that's less common

 

Exactly. I don't see a lot of folks coming to this site to do this.  

[kumakuma]

3 minutes ago, Jud said:

 

Helpful, yes.  I do think there’s been a proliferation of the “audiophiles are suckers” meme lately.

 

Interesting. I haven't really noticed this. In my experience, people like this soon move on so perhaps I just filter them out...

 

[Jud]

4 minutes ago, jabbr said:

What I've also seen is that certain folks who are industry experts have been aggressively chased off the site -- is this related?

 

Yeah, I think so.

[Ralf11]

read my sig.

 

someone has a good Peter Aczel quote too (Sal1950?)

[Daudio]

12 minutes ago, jabbr said:

did @bdiament just get tired of us?

 

No, he was driven off by @YashN. I witnessed the whole ugly business

 

[Jud]

12 minutes ago, kumakuma said:

In my experience, people like this soon move on so perhaps I just filter them out...

 

 

I need more of your patience.

[jabbr]

2 minutes ago, Daudio said:

 

No, he was driven off by @YashN. I witnessed the whole ugly business

 

For the purposes of our discussion here, and specifically how to avoid this is the future, what was your impression about what the cause was?

 

-- and let's still avoid getting personal -- this should be a general learning experience

[Daudio]

1 minute ago, jabbr said:

For the purposes of our discussion here, and specifically how to avoid this is the future, what was your impression about what the cause was?

 

 To be a bit flip - testosterone poisoning !

Otherwise, a campaign of arguing an indefensible position, thru many posts with raising intensity of ad hominem attacks and invective...

Barry simply stopped posting after a while, and I think you can still see the date of his last post by searching for member 'bdiamont'. I could probably find the old thread if necessary.

 

I miss Barry, he was deeply experienced and knowledgeable, happy to share, a true audiophile, and a true gentleman. He graciously helped me get started with DIY vibration isolation, and always a pleasure to talk with. Worth a 1000 of the usual CA rif raf

 

[Jud]

2 minutes ago, Daudio said:

Worth a 1000 of the usual CA rif raf

 

Gee thanks!