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Hello,

 

I am personally of the  belief that it would be detrimental to the soundstage due to the reflective nature of the glass and for that reason I keep a TV Out of the main listening room.

 

You can of course deal with that issue by placing some kind of fabric over the TV screen when not in use.

 

I'm sure others may disagree but that is my belief and I am sticking to it :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                            

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Your belief is likely, given the role of specular refection.

 

A diffuser would help tho just cloth might not be adequate, and I often hear of people using absorbers there.

 

It could slip over the TV...

 

That said, I have a TV located right in between my Maggie 3.7i speakers.  Just one of many problems with my listening room...

 

I just live with it.  Soundstaging is pretty durn good and variance in it seems mainly due to source material...

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1...Move the TV to another room and check.

2...Cover the TV and check.

3...Since my speakers (front face) are 30 inches from the wall and the TV is less than 12, and the wall is glass, and I can't hear a difference (even with curtains open or closed), check for yourself.:)

 

Greg

btw--the speaker/amp upgrade to current drive gave the best improvement in soundstage than anything else I've done in the 50 years since my system went from mono to stereo.:D

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7 hours ago, DancingSea said:

Aloha,

 

Just curious is a flat screen TV, in a 2 channel home theater type set up, inhibit the soundstage of the stereo for music?

 

Thanks

 

In my system I found that it changed the sound in a way that I did not like so I now have a thick blanket that I drape over it when listening to music.


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Hi, 

 

IMHO, a flat TV screen will not change anything (or so few) in the bass region where room size and shape are responsible for non linearities (room modes).

 

Nevertheless, we are listening to a combination of direct sounds and first reflexions. Adding a flat reflective surface in the room can theoretically modify the "direct sound/first reflections" ratio.  And in the medium/high region, it can probably slightly change the sound stage and imaging of a system. 

But to what extend a small surface (like a TV screen) can really change the sound compare to floor and ceiling surfaces that are also reflective ?  I cannot evaluate.

 

Most probably, speakers using waveguides and directivity control design will be less impacted than omni-directional and dipole ones.

 

 

Udayan 

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Interesting topic. I also have a TV in between and behind the speakers. I haven't tried removing the screen to see how is the sound without it, but in my low priority list there is an item which is a raiser cabinet to stay behind the audio cabinet (unfortunately the audio gear has to stay between the speakers). The main effect is to hide this massive rectangle which I rarely use  with a possible benefit on sound :), however it is not all that simple to implement.

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Just pull the speakers out from the front wall! 

They sound better away from the Front wall and out into the room anyhow! 

I actually have my speakers a full 5 feet out from the Front wall:) 

I have a flat panel TV hanging on wall in-between, but it's 5 feet behind the speakers, so I seriously doubt it has any real effect on the soundstage. 

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When i play back music from the PC i need the TV (46" LED) as a "monitor", and i also had a problem with the sounstage. But, as mentioned in the thread: TV as far back as possible, speaker's as far out as "practicly" possible (in a "normal" sitting room).

 

My experiense is that "anything" between the speakers, as far out as the speakers, reduces the soundfield, specially the deepth of it....

 

But unless you are lucky to have a dedicated music room, there has to be some "compromises"....

 

Hint: Those of you who uses foobar2000, there is now a android remote controler, so - once i powered up and loaded fb2k, i use my 7" tablet to browse, control what's playing, with access to album art etc. I can then turn the TV of, and of course "cover" it up, if i want... works fine for me...

 

Cheers/T.

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I have a similarly difficult situation. So far, this is the best compromise I've been able to come up with. For me, soundstage is most dependent on the recording. I usually cover the screen with a folded piece of cloth but, to be honest, I can't hear any difference. My listening position(a sofa) is flat up against the back wall. I have added an area rug in front of the equipment. My apologies to the OP. I don't want to hijack your thread.

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1 hour ago, davidovada said:

I have a similarly difficult situation. So far, this is the best compromise I've been able to come up with. For me, soundstage is most dependent on the recording. I usually cover the screen with a folded piece of cloth but, to be honest, I can't hear any difference. My listening position(a sofa) is flat up against the back wall. I have added an area rug in front of the equipment. My apologies to the OP. I don't want to hijack your thread.

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Nice looking space. I have always thought that the room environment can help put one into a frame of mind that improves listening enjoyment.

 

1 hour ago, davidovada said:

 

 


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7 hours ago, mourip said:

 

Nice looking space. I have always thought that the room environment can help put one into a frame of mind that improves listening enjoyment.

 

 

Exactly. Listening to music in this space gives me a lot of pleasure. It also helps that I live in a small town in northern Italy. My company is named Mangiar Bene e Bere Meglio (to eat well and drink better). I write (just out-a new food and wine mystery novel). I eat wonderful food (ex-chef and restaurateur), drink fab inexpensive Piemontese wine and listen to an enormous amount of music(grazie Qobuz). 

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Nice looking room!! 

As a suggestion, you may actually want to pull the sofa out from against the back wall. 

Having your listening position too close to a back wall will do more to hurt the sound quality than a TV will in-between the two Front speakers! (Give it a try and see :) )

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I have a set of large infinity that are dipoles. They should not be against the wall anyway. 

After that just cut a pc of 1/4 inch plywood any kind to place over it when your seriously listening. It will effect the staging and some oddities but in this field everything effects everything else lol. Have them on the front wall is way more obvious then the TV. 

Staging is a finicky thing to get right and stable. 

Mine are about 8 feet off the front wall and I sit back 15 feet or so more.  When I had the tv back there it messed up staging things would pop off at times.  When I put the wood laying on the screen it stopped. Having said that at some 20 feet even a 65 plasma is not big enough. As such the TV is on an adjacent wall Ina surround setup. All is happy now. 

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2 hours ago, davidovada said:

Exactly. Listening to music in this space gives me a lot of pleasure. It also helps that I live in a small town in northern Italy. My company is named Mangiar Bene e Bere Meglio (to eat well and drink better). I write (just out-a new food and wine mystery novel). I eat wonderful food (ex-chef and restaurateur), drink fab inexpensive Piemontese wine and listen to an enormous amount of music(grazie Qobuz). 

 Pop a cork. We'll be right over!

 


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cloth or even a blanket won't do a lot

 

you could DIY an absorber panel; or even make a QRD diffusor that slips over the TV - it doesn't have to be made out of wooden 2x2's, you could find foam 2x2's etc. and cut them to size then glue together

 

but, yes, the speakers should be out away from the walls, esp. dipole speakers - 4 or 5 ft. 

 

mea culpa, I am often too lazy to move my Maggies around to get the optimum, and a lot of the time just leave them 2-3 ft from the walls and proud of the wall mount TV by almost that much - hasn't killed me (yet)

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I had a friend who complained that the TV screen distracted him from the music because he could see his refection. I suggested he do like I do--put on a video while listening.

 

In winter I use a fireplace video. At a recent get-together the comments came thick and fast how it made the room warmer! In summer I use a fish tank video.

 

Greg

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