The Computer Audiophile Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Hey Guys - I've been running around today and briefly googled AirPlay 2 to see what it's all about. I couldn't find anything innovative or real details. Does anyone know what's up with AirPlay 2 or have any details? wgscott 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
jhwalker Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 For one thing, it allows one player to multiple endpoints, instead of one-to-one. I haven't seen much else about it yet. John Walker - IT Executive Headphone - SonicTransporter i9 running Roon Server > Netgear Orbi > Blue Jeans Cable Ethernet > mRendu Roon endpoint > Topping D90 > Topping A90d > Dan Clark Expanse / HiFiMan H6SE v2 / HiFiman Arya Stealth Home Theater / Music -SonicTransporter i9 running Roon Server > Netgear Orbi > Blue Jeans Cable HDMI > Denon X3700h > Anthem Amp for front channels > Revel F208-based 5.2.4 Atmos speaker system Link to comment
speavler Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 No idea, but it looks a lot like the same old AirPlay, but with the added feature of playing multiroom from your device (which you can do now thru itunes running on a computer). Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted June 5, 2017 Author Share Posted June 5, 2017 Does audio still route through the phone? wgscott 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 it also has "new social features" - so, we can argue with each other by audio, not just typing https://9to5mac.com/2017/06/05/apple-announces-airplay-2-w-multi-room-support-new-social-features-in-music-more/ Link to comment
jhwalker Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 9 minutes ago, Ralf11 said: it also has "new social features" - so, we can argue with each other by audio, not just typing https://9to5mac.com/2017/06/05/apple-announces-airplay-2-w-multi-room-support-new-social-features-in-music-more/ To be clear, the new social features are part of the updated Music app, not a feature of the Airplay 2 protocol - though the new architecture also allows multiple users to manage the "Up Next" queue, which is a bit social, I guess John Walker - IT Executive Headphone - SonicTransporter i9 running Roon Server > Netgear Orbi > Blue Jeans Cable Ethernet > mRendu Roon endpoint > Topping D90 > Topping A90d > Dan Clark Expanse / HiFiMan H6SE v2 / HiFiman Arya Stealth Home Theater / Music -SonicTransporter i9 running Roon Server > Netgear Orbi > Blue Jeans Cable HDMI > Denon X3700h > Anthem Amp for front channels > Revel F208-based 5.2.4 Atmos speaker system Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted June 5, 2017 Author Share Posted June 5, 2017 I wonder if A2 will change the encryption keys that enable the open source versions of AirPlay to work. Thus, Airplay version 1 devices can't talk to AirPlay 2 devices in some way and A2 won't work at all on these devices until the code is cracked. There are many uncertified products supporting airplay using shareport, shairplay, etc... Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
rickca Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 38 minutes ago, Ralf11 said: it also has "new social features" - so, we can argue with each other by audio, not just typing New rule. That has to be done in rap. The Computer Audiophile 1 Pareto Audio AMD 7700 Server --> Berkeley Alpha USB --> Jeff Rowland Aeris --> Jeff Rowland 625 S2 --> Focal Utopia 3 Diablos with 2 x Focal Electra SW 1000 BE subs i7-6700K/Windows 10 --> EVGA Nu Audio Card --> Focal CMS50's Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Good Rule. It has a public API. more speaker and home theatre makers have signed on... this could be worrisome to Sonos... we may have to wait for the white Alexa pod to see if we'll be able to scream back at iTunes... Link to comment
asdf1000 Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Any news on if it supports higher than 16/48? I couldn't find anything yet. I was trying to see if their new HomePod supports 24 bit (that would mean AirPlay 2 does) but their tech specs doesn't mention anything: https://www.apple.com/homepod/ Link to comment
new_media Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 They totally should have called that thing HomeBoy. Link to comment
realhifi Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 17 hours ago, new_media said: They totally should have called that thing HomeBoy. Lol! Not in this heated environment. David Link to comment
Cebolla Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 On 06/06/2017 at 4:42 AM, Em2016 said: Any news on if it supports higher than 16/48? I couldn't find anything yet. I was trying to see if their new HomePod supports 24 bit (that would mean AirPlay 2 does) but their tech specs doesn't mention anything: https://www.apple.com/homepod/ Current AirPlay streams audio using ALAC at a fixed 16/44.1kHz resolution. Possibly the confusion comes from the Apple TV v2 and later that resamples the incoming AirPlay audio stream to 16/48kHz. We are far more united and have far more in common with each other than things that divide us. -- Jo Cox Link to comment
miguelito Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 On 6/5/2017 at 5:47 PM, jhwalker said: For one thing, it allows one player to multiple endpoints, instead of one-to-one. I haven't seen much else about it yet. Good old Airplay allows multiple endpoints - I don't understand what you mean. NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
miguelito Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 On 6/5/2017 at 7:18 PM, Ralf11 said: it also has "new social features" - so, we can argue with each other by audio, not just typing https://9to5mac.com/2017/06/05/apple-announces-airplay-2-w-multi-room-support-new-social-features-in-music-more/ It seems to me that the new features are: 1- Multi-room from an iOS device - and I would expect that if this is done using Apple Music, it will be along the same lines as Spotify Connect - ie the iOS device acts as a controller but does not route the audio. 2- Shared queue - looks like the homepods will be group-able and share a queue that anyone in the LAN can see and possibly modify - kinda cool. 3- Social bits and pieces also interesting (eg "Friends Are Listening"). NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
Cebolla Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 11 minutes ago, miguelito said: Good old Airplay allows multiple endpoints - I don't understand what you mean. Indeed, though being able to select more than one AirPlay receiver depends on the sender, eg, iOS doesn't currently support it. miguelito 1 We are far more united and have far more in common with each other than things that divide us. -- Jo Cox Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Is it Friends Are Listening? or Friends on the same WiFi network Are Listening? I saw some news bit about it being the latter. That would be boring (your kids are listening to your old KC and the Sunshine band tunes) or everybody in your college dorm is... Not sure what it would add otherwise Link to comment
asdf1000 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 8 hours ago, Cebolla said: Current AirPlay streams audio using ALAC at a fixed 16/44.1kHz resolution. Possibly the confusion comes from the Apple TV v2 and later that resamples the incoming AirPlay audio stream to 16/48kHz. Thanks, my mistake about 16/48. I'm wondering if Airplay 2 may support higher sample rates? Or may not. I guess developers are still looking through the iOS 11 beta code so some more info may pop out over the next weeks. Or maybe not and the supported samps rate will remain as per AirPlay 1. Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Current AirPlay streams video, doesn't it? It definitely streams photos. I wish Apple would enable higher rates for audio too.... Link to comment
Domus Digital Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 On 07/06/2017 at 3:34 PM, Cebolla said: Current AirPlay streams audio using ALAC at a fixed 16/44.1kHz resolution. Possibly the confusion comes from the Apple TV v2 and later that resamples the incoming AirPlay audio stream to 16/48kHz. Actually I think you'll find that over ethernet, AirPlay (1) supports 24bit at higher sample rates. It's only limited to 16/44.1 over WiFi. Hopefully that will change with AirPlay 2 as too many devices are now 24bit and HiRes music sales are on the rise. Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted June 10, 2017 Author Share Posted June 10, 2017 3 hours ago, Domus Digital said: Actually I think you'll find that over ethernet, AirPlay (1) supports 24bit at higher sample rates. It's only limited to 16/44.1 over WiFi. Hopefully that will change with AirPlay 2 as too many devices are now 24bit and HiRes music sales are on the rise. In all my testing and everything I ever seen, AirPlay doesn't support high resolution. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Cebolla Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 2 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said: 6 hours ago, Domus Digital said: Actually I think you'll find that over ethernet, AirPlay (1) supports 24bit at higher sample rates. It's only limited to 16/44.1 over WiFi. Hopefully that will change with AirPlay 2 as too many devices are now 24bit and HiRes music sales are on the rise. In all my testing and everything I ever seen, AirPlay doesn't support high resolution. Indeed. I haven't encountered any AirPlay devices (both official and unofficial) that anounce via Bonjour discovery, support for any resolution other 16/44.1kHz for the AirPlay audio service, regardless of the devices being connected to the network via ethernet cable or WiFi. We are far more united and have far more in common with each other than things that divide us. -- Jo Cox Link to comment
arcman Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 I'm going to purchase a Bluesound Node 2 so I can stream hi rez ( I have both Tidal and Qobuz sublime +, along with roon) to my main system. Currently using ATV for such and I love it. However, airplay does not allow pass thru and keeps everything 16/48. I have airport express hooked to amps powering kitchen in ceiling and patio speakers. Multi location playback at same time ( like roon, gobuz and Tidal) would be great. You can do such from OS X itunes. I say unless Apple Music begins streaming anything higher than redbook, you will not see anything higher than 16/44. Link to comment
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