Impressive DXD downloads

[Audio Dandy]

On 6/21/2017 at 5:53 AM, elcorso said:

 

Some recordings engineers like better DXD since being PCM it's easier to edit than direct DSD recordings.

 

In my case, as a listener only, I like better pure DSD recordings and do not like DXD (PCM) to DSD converted music.

 

Just my taste,

 

Roch

99% of all recordings in the world made today are made in (PCM) DXD
DXD is THE master tape, the original recording were ALL other (DSD) versions are made of.
It's not a case of "it's easier to edit in PCM" you CANNOT edit in DSD in the first place.
Therefore the DXD standard has been developed, to make sure that you can edit in the highest quality possible
and that after editing you can make a good DSD recording.
DXD is the best period!

[elcorso]

26 minutes ago, Audio Dandy said:

99% of all recordings in the world made today are made in (PCM) DXD
DXD is THE master tape, the original recording were ALL other (DSD) versions are made of.
It's not a case of "it's easier to edit in PCM" you CANNOT edit in DSD in the first place.
Therefore the DXD standard has been developed, to make sure that you can edit in the highest quality possible
and that after editing you can make a good DSD recording.
DXD is the best period!

 

Then I'll buy only the 1% pure DSD ones, or converted from analogue (where editing is posible). Or... I'll buy the PCM versions.

 

And yes, there are ways to edit in DSD, but rather you Google this.  I don't have the time now to give you some links.

 

If you think DXD is the best is OK for me.  Wellcome to CA where all the tastes are allowed !

 

Roch

[bmoura]

24 minutes ago, elcorso said:

 

Then I'll buy only the 1% pure DSD ones, or converted from analogue (where editing is posible). Or... I'll buy the PCM versions.

 

And yes, there are ways to edit in DSD, but rather you Google this.  I don't have the time now to give you some links.

 

If you think DXD is the best is OK for me.  Wellcome to CA where all the tastes are allowed !

 

Roch

 

Or the ones mixed in Analog, or recorded with a Sonoma DSD Workstation which doesn't have DXD processing as an option. etc...

 

Speaking of which, check out the new Stereo & Multichannel DSD Download "Telemann: 12 Fantasies for Solo Flute" from Channel Classics.  They note: 

 

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"This is a Native DSD256 project with no post-production mixing. All mixing happened in the analog stage. This music is not available on SACD, but is available for download in its original quality only at NativeDSD.com." 

 

https://channelclassics.nativedsd.com/albums/40617-telemann-twelve-fantasia-for-solo-flute 

 

[fredlobo]

3 minutes ago, bmoura said:

 

Speaking of which, check out the new Stereo & Multichannel DSD Download "Telemann: 12 Fantasies for Solo Flute" from Channel Classics.  They note: 

 

 

https://channelclassics.nativedsd.com/albums/40617-telemann-twelve-fantasia-for-solo-flute 

 

I have this recording and it is amazing.

[elcorso]

25 minutes ago, bmoura said:

 

Or the ones mixed in Analog, or recorded with a Sonoma DSD Workstation which doesn't have DXD processing as an option. etc...

 

Speaking of which, check out the new Stereo & Multichannel DSD Download "Telemann: 12 Fantasies for Solo Flute" from Channel Classics.  They note: 

 

 

https://channelclassics.nativedsd.com/albums/40617-telemann-twelve-fantasia-for-solo-flute 

 

 

Thanks!

 

Downloading now...

 

Roch

[tailspn]

6 hours ago, Audio Dandy said:

99% of all recordings in the world made today are made in (PCM) DXD
DXD is THE master tape, the original recording were ALL other (DSD) versions are made of.
It's not a case of "it's easier to edit in PCM" you CANNOT edit in DSD in the first place.
Therefore the DXD standard has been developed, to make sure that you can edit in the highest quality possible
and that after editing you can make a good DSD recording.
DXD is the best period!

 

Hi AD,

 

Welcome as a new poster!

 

A few clarifications please if I may. I'd agree that at least 99% of ALL recordings are recorded in PCM  (with the majority today recorded and/or post processed in 48K/24, followed by 96K/24 then followed way behind by 192K/24 PCM). Only a very small percentage are recorded or post processed in 352.8K/24 PMC (DXD).

 

And you can certainly edit in DSD (assembling and splicing takes),  you just can not post process sweeten the DSD content currently without  conversion to PCM (exceptions include Digital Audio Workstations (DAWs) DSD mixers from Sony/Sonoma, SADiE, and several specialized proprietary re-modulation processes, including those included in HQ Player and a new Roon capability). Unlike PCM, which is a sample value based encoding system, DSD possesses no values within its continuous bitstream. only a varying percent of modulation which without an amplitude value(s), is not commutable. There are a growing number of DSD recordings not post processed in DXD, some just edited/assembled takes, and others like many Channel pre mixeed and balanced in analog prior to A/D conversion to DSD. More and more like recordings are becoming available as more labels employ purest recording and production techniques. The Yarlung, Cobra, Eudora, and many Channel recordings catalogs represent this trend.

 

DXD is however as you state the primary post processing format for high definition DSD recordings and delivery media,  with alternative pure DSD processing some time in the not too distant future.

 

Tom

[Audio Dandy]

I totally agree Tom,

 

Of course people are free to have their own opinion about cerain things, like what they think sound better (DSD or DXD)

but that is not the case here,

the fact is that of 99% of all therecordings available now DXD was used as the Master tape, this is an fact, and nothing (theoratically) sounds betterthen the Master tape, of course there is always  something like personal prefferences, i have no problem with this.

 

Also I encourage new recording technique mentioned earlier that make recordings possible in the DSD domain,

My first recorder was a Sony Super Bit Map adapter that also used some "tricks" to make the ecording sound better, but people need standards not, another format war.

 

PCM has won, DSD in curently a populair "hype" now, so also analogue records ;-)

The fact is that still PCM rules in the recording studio's , and for a good reason

 

PCM 24bit 192 kHz sounds according experts same as not even better than DSD 64,128

 

And there are also developments about Double DXD which sounds even better, we will see whatthe future will bring us

[elcorso]

8 hours ago, Audio Dandy said:

I totally agree Tom,

 

Of course people are free to have their own opinion about cerain things, like what they think sound better (DSD or DXD)

but that is not the case here,

the fact is that of 99% of all therecordings available now DXD was used as the Master tape, this is an fact, and nothing (theoratically) sounds betterthen the Master tape, of course there is always  something like personal prefferences, i have no problem with this.

 

Also I encourage new recording technique mentioned earlier that make recordings possible in the DSD domain,

My first recorder was a Sony Super Bit Map adapter that also used some "tricks" to make the ecording sound better, but people need standards not, another format war.

 

PCM has won, DSD in curently a populair "hype" now, so also analogue records ;-)

The fact is that still PCM rules in the recording studio's , and for a good reason

 

PCM 24bit 192 kHz sounds according experts same as not even better than DSD 64,128

 

And there are also developments about Double DXD which sounds even better, we will see whatthe future will bring us

 

According to experts?  Big Guys from Mount Olympus or up to BBC's Doctor Who?

 

For a good start we need a good recording engineer, good music that you like and good musicians.

 

The format according to your tastes and you gear.

 

Anyway, to my taste, too much editing could ruin a recording.

 

Roch

[tailspn]

7 hours ago, Audio Dandy said:

 

....the fact is that of 99% of all therecordings available now DXD was used as the Master tape, this is an fact, and nothing (theoratically) sounds betterthen the Master tape, of course there is always  something like personal prefferences, i have no problem with this.

Hi

 

Could you please explain for me what you mean by "99% of all the recordings available now" means to you? 99% of what recordings? All recordings made/available? Only those recordings originally made using DSD as the format?  I'm confused.

 

As an aside, the term used in the digital recording production business for Master tape is the digital Edited Master. That's the composited post processed product prior to producing the Cutting Master, or alternatively the deliverable Digital Release.

 

Tom

[Audio Dandy]

15 hours ago, tailspn said:

Hi

 

Could you please explain for me what you mean by "99% of all the recordings available now" means to you? 99% of what recordings? All recordings made/available? Only those recordings originally made using DSD as the format?  I'm confused.

 

As an aside, the term used in the digital recording production business for Master tape is the digital Edited Master. That's the composited post processed product prior to producing the Cutting Master, or alternatively the deliverable Digital Release.

 

Tom

Hi Tom.

 

Yes I mean procent wise off all recordings that are made today in the studio's world wide, procentwise 99% of them are recorded in PCM (this can be 24/32bit 192 kHz, DXD, or other, but always in PCM )

About the Master tape your right, the first recording can be in DXD, and the studio can after editing and post-processing
name this version their "Master tape" (or even they can convert to DSD and call this their "Master tape") but I think that you know what I mean, And that is that the best possible version (normaly the first original version, in DXD format or an editted version in DXD format)  sounds in my opinion the best in that way that it sounds the most pure, orginal,  (also contains the most micro details)

I think it would be great for audiophiles that they receive that same version
Like 2L Music Store and  Promtas HD already are offering

[bmoura]

19 minutes ago, Audio Dandy said:

Like 2L Music Store and  Promtas HD already are offering

 

 

You can also get DXD Music Downloads at NativeDSD Music.  They have 108 DXD titles to date.

https://www.nativedsd.com/new_browse

 

[tailspn]

8 hours ago, Audio Dandy said:

Hi Tom.

 

Yes I mean procent wise off all recordings that are made today in the studio's world wide, procentwise 99% of them are recorded in PCM (this can be 24/32bit 192 kHz, DXD, or other, but always in PCM )

About the Master tape your right, the first recording can be in DXD, and the studio can after editing and post-processing
name this version their "Master tape" (or even they can convert to DSD and call this their "Master tape") but I think that you know what I mean, And that is that the best possible version (normaly the first original version, in DXD format or an editted version in DXD format)  sounds in my opinion the best in that way that it sounds the most pure, orginal,  (also contains the most micro details)

I think it would be great for audiophiles that they receive that same version
Like 2L Music Store and  Promtas HD already are offering

 

Hi again AD,

 

Of course logically the earliest deliverable generation of any serial process seems preferable.  But in the case of the very few recordings processed in DXD, the DXD version if available may not be in one's best interest. It's dependent on the listener's system and hardware. There are very few DAC's capable of playing 352.8KHz 24 bit files. The vast majority of those are, like most DAC's, rear ended with Sigma-Delta modulators producing audio from DSD like bit streams ((PDM) Pulse Density Modulated bit streams). If they are fed a/any PCM word stream, that stream must first be converted to PDM bit streams in real time to be integrated (converted) into audio. The key is how that PCM > PDM conversion occurs. 

 

If it occurs on the DAC chip itself, the conversion algorithm employed is constrained by the processing power available. If  the PCM stream(s) are processed to PDM (DSD) bitstreams offline (even in realtime) by a CPU, there's vastly more processing resources available to support more thorough and robust conversion algorithms. This can be accomplished by the listener using players such as HQ Player, or purchasing the recording's DSD version of bit rate of your choice, that was converted to DSD by the algorithms in Pyramix (the DAW that created and used the DXD PCM conversion in the first place). 

 

Best,

Tom

[blue2]

12 hours ago, Audio Dandy said:

Like 2L Music Store and  Promtas HD already are offering

Is "Promtas HD" a typo? Can you provide a url?

[bmoura]

26 minutes ago, blue2 said:

Is "Promtas HD" a typo? Can you provide a url?

 

I think he means "Promates".  It's a music downloads site associated with DaCapo Records. 

They have 27 DXD Downloads from DaCapo and OUR Recordings. 

 

[blue2]

10 hours ago, bmoura said:

 

I think he means "Promates".  It's a music downloads site associated with DaCapo Records. 

They have 27 DXD Downloads from DaCapo and OUR Recordings. 

 

Thanks got it now. ProMates HD is a Danish music store specialising in DXD recordings mentioned in Stereophile. DXD albums sell for 28€ and are huge ~5GB. They also down sample e.g. 88.2 FLAC 16€. "The Percussion Universe of Axel Borup-Jørgensen" sounds pretty spectacular, although as you say their catalogue is fairly small. A sampler album might be a good idea.

[PAP]

Blue Coast and Native has a few straight to DSD recordings I believe. Sound Liaison has one.

I have seen that the Carmen Gomes album from the sampler was simultaneously recorded direct to 1/4'' tape .

Would that be a better master for DSD than DXD?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efPBdM-5Spc

[tailspn]

Could be, if the producer's recording objective included the colorations inherent in recording to tape (as pleasant as they may be depending on the music style).

 

Recording is an art form every bit as much as the musicians performance. The selection and placement of microphones, the chosen venue and/or added reverb, the recording medium, and the post production sweetening and mastering all contribute to the emotionality of the recording.

 

On a purely technical basis, if accuracy of the microphone mixed signal was the objective, the answer IMO would be no.

[Milan]

The few direct to tape recordings I have heard sounds very good on tape, once transferred I think the difference is less obvious.

[PAP]

The microphone list looks top notch:

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Carmen: Audix SCX25
Folker: Josephson C700
Peter: Josephson C700
Bert: Josephson C617 (overheads) - Audix D6 (basdrum)
Main system - Schoeps MK5 (AB)
Micpre's: Merging Horus
Microphone cables: AudioQuest Yokon

On 8/22/2017 at 7:50 PM, tailspn said:

Could be, if the producer's recording objective included the colorations inherent in recording to tape (as pleasant as they may be depending on the music style).

 

Recording is an art form every bit as much as the musicians performance. The selection and placement of microphones, the chosen venue and/or added reverb, the recording medium, and the post production sweetening and mastering all contribute to the emotionality of the recording.

 

On a purely technical basis, if accuracy of the microphone mixed signal was the objective, the answer IMO would be no.

 

[PAP]

Just googled it, the price of those mic's is $7000!

[christian u]

On 10-9-2017 at 3:26 PM, PAP said:

Just googled it, the price of those mic's is $7000!

I guess when you record at such a fidelity you need microphones that are up to the task.

[PAP]

a piece

 

[PAP]

The latest in the DXD series; ''This Bird has Flown''  by the Paul Berner Band has more or less the same microphone list; 

Microphones:
Paul: Josephson C700
Michael: Josephson C700
Ed: Josephson C617 / Neumann KM84
Peter: Josephson C617 / Neumann KM84
Main system - Schoeps MK5 (AB)

Micpre's: Merging Horus Premium
Microphone cables: Grimm Audio TPR
Mixing speakers: TAD Compact Evolution One
Mixing headphones: Sennheiser HD800s
Power Amplifier: Moon 760A
Speaker cables - AudioQuest Aspen
Power Conditioner: AudioQuest Niagara 5000 

source; https://www.soundliaison.com/studio-showcase-series/312-paul-berner-band-this-bird-has-flown

The minimalist setup does result in an astonishing SQ;

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[christian u]

And the same kind of high quality sound.

[firedog]

3 hours ago, christian u said:

And the same kind of high quality sound.

But the same kind of well played, well recorded, and boring results. More ""audiophile" music-that only audiophiles will listen to.

Sorry, my opinion.