Kal Rubinson Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, jabbr said: The new REVConnect connector system is really state of the art. Yes. It is unfortunate that one cannot rent the installation tool. I had to come up with an alternative installation system for the cable. Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
plissken Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 3 hours ago, KingRex said: A few wise people have told me "trust your ears". I 100% agree. That's why I suggest a vetting process that removes something you shouldn't trust: knowing what is in situ. I can't trust your ears if you can't. Link to comment
plissken Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Kal Rubinson said: Yes. It is unfortunate that one cannot rent the installation tool. I had to come up with an alternative installation system for the cable. It's $110... Link to comment
Kal Rubinson Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 22 minutes ago, plissken said: It's $110... Yup and I needed to make 2 connections. Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
Popular Post KingRex Posted June 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2018 2 hours ago, plissken said: I 100% agree. That's why I suggest a vetting process that removes something you shouldn't trust: knowing what is in situ. I can't trust your ears if you can't. Your talking in circles. Trusting your ears means blind test are not needed. I trust what I hear. I don't need to doubt myself and prove anything to anyone. I am satisfied in what I hear and know. look&listen and Mark V. 1 1 Link to comment
plissken Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 10 hours ago, Kal Rubinson said: Yup and I needed to make 2 connections. How much is $110 compared to the rest of your gear? Also you could have sold it... Link to comment
plissken Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 8 hours ago, KingRex said: Your talking in circles. Trusting your ears means blind test are not needed. I trust what I hear. I don't need to doubt myself and prove anything to anyone. I am satisfied in what I hear and know. Nope, not circles. If you can't trust your ears, neither should anyone else: Link to comment
Kal Rubinson Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 46 minutes ago, plissken said: How much is $110 compared to the rest of your gear? Also you could have sold it... Sure, I could afford it but I chose not to go the route where the total cost of two $10 connectors (assuming they were done properly the first time) would have cost more than $60 each. (Besides, I find it hard to resell anything. Just ask my wife.) That said, if I need to do multiple connections in the future, I will reassess. Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
plissken Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Kal Rubinson said: Sure, I could afford it but I chose not to go the route where the total cost of two $10 connectors (assuming they were done properly the first time) would have cost more than $60 each. (Besides, I find it hard to resell anything. Just ask my wife.) That said, if I need to do multiple connections in the future, I will reassess. Agreed as I just use my handy dandy Allentel AT680 for RJ45 / RJ11 and Paladin punch down for 66/110 block. Seems to work just fine for audio applications. Link to comment
jabbr Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 13 minutes ago, Kal Rubinson said: Sure, I could afford it but I chose not to go the route where the total cost of two $10 connectors (assuming they were done properly the first time) would have cost more than $60 each. (Besides, I find it hard to resell anything. Just ask my wife.) That said, if I need to do multiple connections in the future, I will reassess. Depends on what you are trying to do and assess. The beauty of the REVConnect is the ability to make a consistent high qualityimpedance matched connection. Important for 10G. If you are using 10mbit Ethernet, you probably can twist two coat hangars together (I’m sure that’s been done ?). Theres a short learning curve for 1G — basically you want to untwist the wires as little as possible when making the connection. Custom room treatments for headphone users. Link to comment
plissken Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 I was at a job for our software package (install and training). I get on site, it's a new building, and ZERO data cabling ran. I know how to run and terminate data cabling out of necessity because, well, there are a ton of lazy LV installers out there ? I got them to approve an additional 3 days of onsite labor, took their building / physical plant manager, went to Graybar, picked up 7000 foot of cabling, Panduit plates, keystones, 8P8C, ~20 RU rack, 110 5e block, switches. Gave him a 20 minute crash course on punching down both 110 and keystones. I think we had 1 out of 64 that needed re-punched and it all spec'd out for 5e. The engineering bodies for this stuff did such a good job I can get a reasonably mechanically inclined individual to terminate to spec in less than half an hour. Link to comment
Speedskater Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 12 hours ago, KingRex said: Trusting your ears means blind test are not needed. You have that upside down. Trusting your ears requires, ears only blind tests. Eyes and ears tests won't cut it. plissken 1 Link to comment
Kal Rubinson Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 2 hours ago, jabbr said: Depends on what you are trying to do and assess. The beauty of the REVConnect is the ability to make a consistent high qualityimpedance matched connection. Important for 10G. If you are using 10mbit Ethernet, you probably can twist two coat hangars together (I’m sure that’s been done ?). Theres a short learning curve for 1G — basically you want to untwist the wires as little as possible when making the connection. What I meant was, if I do a reconfiguration of the network wiring which would entail new interconnections, I would probably want to support 10G since I would not want to do it again. At the moment, 1G is working just fine. Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
plissken Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 29 minutes ago, Kal Rubinson said: What I meant was, if I do a reconfiguration of the network wiring which would entail new interconnections, I would probably want to support 10G since I would not want to do it again. At the moment, 1G is working just fine. 15 year old CAT5e supports 10G. Link to comment
Kal Rubinson Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 2 hours ago, plissken said: 15 year old CAT5e supports 10G. No doubt but why would one install CAT5e today? The cost of the cables is minimal and it is not likely that I would have access to the wall space again. Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
plissken Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 56 minutes ago, Kal Rubinson said: No doubt but why would one install CAT5e today? The cost of the cables is minimal and it is not likely that I would have access to the wall space again. Sorry, I'm missing your point. What I'm saying is if you have 5e in wall, and it's at spec, you defacto have 10G support and no rewire required. Link to comment
Kal Rubinson Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 3 hours ago, plissken said: Sorry, I'm missing your point. What I'm saying is if you have 5e in wall, and it's at spec, you defacto have 10G support and no rewire required. Sorry. I was having some renovations done last year and I took the opportunity to run CAT6A (Belden 10GX) from my den (Desktop PC, Modem/Router and NAS drives to the main room (Music player/system) through walls. The only terminations I made were at the two ends. However, I am contemplating moving the NAS drives and the modem/router into a laundry/utility room through which the cable passes and that will require new switches and connection in there. Not currently planning on 10G but will do what is necessary to keep that as an option. Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 19 hours ago, KingRex said: Your talking in circles. Trusting your ears means blind test are not needed. I trust what I hear. I don't need to doubt myself and prove anything to anyone. I am satisfied in what I hear and know. No. You are trusting your perception, not your ears. plissken 1 Link to comment
elcorso Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 13 minutes ago, Ralf11 said: No. You are trusting your perception, not your ears. In the path for auditory perception of first are the ears. Honestly I do not see much difference. Where there could be differences is in taste. Very subjective for each individual... Roch Link to comment
KingRex Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 I put some blue jean cables in but did not hear a significant Sonic difference. Being a electrical contractor I might look at getting the Belden tool to use their new connectors. I do find it intriguing the way they minimize any difference in length between the four pairs of wires in the jacket. I run into the same problem when I come to a termination strip at my main distribution box. I like the idea of eliminating the termination strip altogether. I would rather install a male connector and go directly into my switch. That gets rid of a termination strip a jumper to my switch. My blue jeans perceptions are not well vetted at all. I put them in turned on my stereo and never did a back-and-forth comparison. I will say they are very well made. Link to comment
jabbr Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 On 6/25/2018 at 9:43 AM, Kal Rubinson said: Sure, I could afford it but I chose not to go the route where the total cost of two $10 connectors (assuming they were done properly the first time) would have cost more than $60 each. (Besides, I find it hard to resell anything. Just ask my wife.) That said, if I need to do multiple connections in the future, I will reassess. The Belden Modular 6A Patch cables claim to be based on the same technology as REVConnect -- and why wouldn't they be? https://www.cdw.com/product/Belden-10GX-Modular-Cord-patch-cable-10-ft-black/2115853?cm_cat=GoogleBase&cm_ite=2115853&cm_pla=NA-NA-BLD_CN&cm_ven=acquirgy&ef_id=W2nnYwAAAehniT2e:20181022202344:s&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI2ImIsPCa3gIVEIzICh1fWwCKEAQYBSABEgLbL_D_BwE&s_kwcid=AL!4223!3!198553132056!!!g!337207751279! 3 hours ago, KingRex said: I do find it intriguing the way they minimize any difference in length between the four pairs of wires in the jacket. That's the key for impedance & delay matching. Custom room treatments for headphone users. Link to comment
Kal Rubinson Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, jabbr said: The Belden Modular 6A Patch cables claim to be based on the same technology as REVConnect -- and why wouldn't they be? No reason, of course, but I ended up buying the REVConnect tool kit anyway. jabbr 1 Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
jabbr Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, Kal Rubinson said: No reason, of course, but I ended up buying the REVConnect tool kit anyway. You can have an Ethernet patch cable building and wine tasting party with your friends How easy do you find it to use? Custom room treatments for headphone users. Link to comment
Kal Rubinson Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, jabbr said: You can have an Ethernet patch cable building and wine tasting party with your friends I think that I prefer to do this in private..................................... 5 minutes ago, jabbr said: How easy do you find it to use? Not too difficult but it is a learning process. I cannot do it as fast as on the YouTube videos or the demo at NAB. Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
KingRex Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 It looks like you could squeeze the connector with pliers to engage the blades and trim with snips. I doubt the tool is necessary. the connector looks nice. I like how easy a male or female end attaches. Link to comment
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