WuNgUn Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 3 hours ago, BigGuy said: Looking for a North America source for 12 gage (2mm) solid core copper wire, preferably Oxygen Free tho' not sure that is necessarily better than garden variety. Did order some Temco has 12 gage "magnet" wire to play with but wondered if there was a source for something more upscale?! Why solid core? Link to comment
BigGuy Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 hour ago, WuNgUn said: Why solid core? 'Cuz I want to see what it sounds like vs stranded. I figured one of you might know. Link to comment
WuNgUn Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 2 hours ago, BigGuy said: 'Cuz I want to see what it sounds like vs stranded. I figured one of you might know. I recall reading about a blind test on speaker wire...and one of the examples was coat hanger wire... Most couldnt tell coat hanger from Kimber Kable... But its worth testing! Link to comment
BigGuy Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 2 hours ago, WuNgUn said: I recall reading about a blind test on speaker wire...and one of the examples was coat hanger wire... Most couldnt tell coat hanger from Kimber Kable... But its worth testing! I have read similar reports as well as smoke generators from numerous sources. Just need to locate a source. Maybe George Cardas will sell me a few meters of what he supplies to Pangea?! ;-) Link to comment
austinpop Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, BigGuy said: I have read similar reports as well as smoke generators from numerous sources. Just need to locate a source. Maybe George Cardas will sell me a few meters of what he supplies to Pangea?! ;-) The way the Pangea copy gushes about it, you'd think George personally mines the copper, then lovingly draws them into conductors for our benefit. My Audio Setup Link to comment
Popular Post mansr Posted January 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 26, 2018 22 minutes ago, austinpop said: The way the Pangea copy gushes about it, you'd think George personally mines the copper, then lovingly draws them into conductors for our benefit. Mines? He assembles each atom by hand under an electron microscope. sandyk, mozes and Speedskater 1 2 Link to comment
JohnSwenson Posted January 26, 2018 Author Share Posted January 26, 2018 30 minutes ago, mansr said: Mines? He assembles each atom by hand under an electron microscope. There is a bit of the uncertainty principle there, the energy of the electrons would probably dislodge the atoms as they are trying to be assembled. Maybe modulating the energy of an electron beam would be an appropriate way to "sculpt" the surface of a growing metallic surface to make sure it is perfect. John S. pl_svn 1 Link to comment
SuperRoo Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 I prefer the sound of hot forged solid copper cables. I then have them cryogenically frozen for added stability. Nearfield setup-Matrix Element H USB>Curious Evolved>Yggy OG>Freya+>Mono Trys>Harbeth P3ESR 40th & Martin Logan Dynamo 1100X & Burson Soloist w/ Super Charger> Mr.Speakers Ether 2,& Technics 1500C, Arcromat> SoundSmith Carmen MkII > Zu Mission>Parks Puffin Toslink.. Blue Jeans interconnects, Pangea power cables, IsoAcoustics feet, Goldpoint SW2X Link to comment
lmitche Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 13 hours ago, BigGuy said: Looking for a North America source for 12 gage (2mm) solid core copper wire, preferably Oxygen Free tho' not sure that is necessarily better than garden variety. Did order some Temco has 12 gage "magnet" wire to play with but wondered if there was a source for something more upscale?! There are lots of solid copper choices at the Home Depot. Maybe not Oxygen free, but that doesn't seem to be a requirement for you. Superdad 1 Pareto Audio aka nuckleheadaudio Link to comment
BigGuy Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 15 hours ago, SuperRu said: I prefer the sound of hot forged solid copper cables. I then have them cryogenically frozen for added stability. OK, I get it! This is NOT the OFC fan club and, by extension, probably not the single crystal club either. Apologies to the advocates but I have not drunk the purple Kool Aid, so to speak, just yet myself but thought I might give it a shot. A recent article tho' DID indicate that the differences, at least in terms of % purity, between regular and OFC copper are trivial. Link to comment
mansr Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 1 hour ago, BigGuy said: OK, I get it! This is NOT the OFC fan club and, by extension, probably not the single crystal club either. Apologies to the advocates but I have not drunk the purple Kool Aid, so to speak, just yet myself but thought I might give it a shot. A recent article tho' DID indicate that the differences, at least in terms of % purity, between regular and OFC copper are trivial. Standard commercial copper wire is plenty pure for normal use. Special oxygen free copper is needed to prevent corrosion in some industrial applications. Unless your audio cables run through a blast furnace, it doesn't matter. Speedskater 1 Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 20 hours ago, JohnSwenson said: There is a bit of the uncertainty principle there, the energy of the electrons would probably dislodge the atoms as they are trying to be assembled. Maybe modulating the energy of an electron beam would be an appropriate way to "sculpt" the surface of a growing metallic surface to make sure it is perfect. John S. https://arxiv.org/abs/1607.03044 they're on it !! Link to comment
BigGuy Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 5 hours ago, mansr said: Standard commercial copper wire is plenty pure for normal use. Special oxygen free copper is needed to prevent corrosion in some industrial applications. Unless your audio cables run through a blast furnace, it doesn't matter. OK, putting aside commercial vs OFC copper, I was thinking about running 2 twisted pairs to each speaker. Would I be better off keeping the runs separated or making a starquad configuration? Link to comment
SuperRoo Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Sorry for trying to be a little bit too clever there. Blue Jeans Cable has a nice star quad cable that might be worth giving a try. https://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/speaker/index.htm Nearfield setup-Matrix Element H USB>Curious Evolved>Yggy OG>Freya+>Mono Trys>Harbeth P3ESR 40th & Martin Logan Dynamo 1100X & Burson Soloist w/ Super Charger> Mr.Speakers Ether 2,& Technics 1500C, Arcromat> SoundSmith Carmen MkII > Zu Mission>Parks Puffin Toslink.. Blue Jeans interconnects, Pangea power cables, IsoAcoustics feet, Goldpoint SW2X Link to comment
lmitche Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Amazon too: https://www.amazon.com/Canare-Speaker-Cable-Premium-Bananas/dp/B00SPVIIZA/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1517012699&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=canare%2B4s11&th=1 Pareto Audio aka nuckleheadaudio Link to comment
sandyk Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 51 minutes ago, lmitche said: Amazon too: https://www.amazon.com/Canare-Speaker-Cable-Premium-Bananas/dp/B00SPVIIZA/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1517012699&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=canare%2B4s11&th=1 And is so often the case with Amazon, not that I need it though : In Stock. This item does not ship to Australia. Please check other sellers who may ship internationally. How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
One and a half Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 11 minutes ago, sandyk said: And is so often the case with Amazon, not that I need it though : In Stock. This item does not ship to Australia. Please check other sellers who may ship internationally. Use a freight forwarder like this mob Very painless and with only about three exceptions in 8 years, the vendors have refused an order, mainly of the use of a foreign credit card rather than a US one with Paypal not in use. That's a great cable btw. 11AWG is just over 4mm. Need four though for bi-wiring. AS Profile Equipment List Say NO to MQA Link to comment
sandyk Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, One and a half said: Use a freight forwarder like this mob Very painless and with only about three exceptions in 8 years, the vendors have refused an order, mainly of the use of a foreign credit card rather than a US one with Paypal not in use. That's a great cable btw. 11AWG is just over 4mm. Need four though for bi-wiring. In my case, I always use Paypal, and with a Debit Card as 1st choice, with Credit Card as backup. How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
charlesphoto Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 You do know Ghent make Canare speaker cable as well? if they're anything like his other cables then they're good, esp for the money. https://www.ghentaudio.com/part/s01.html SERVER CLOSET (in office directly below living room stereo):NUC 7i5BNH with Roon ROCK (ZeroZone 12V on the NUC)>Cisco 2690L-16PS switch>Sonore opticalModule (Uptone LPS 1.2)> LIVING ROOM: Sonore opticalRendu Roon version (Sonore Power Supply)> Shunyata Venom USB>Naim DAC V1>Witchhat DIN>Naim NAP 160 Bolt Down>Chord Rumor 2>Audio Physic Compact Classics. OFFICE: opticalModule> Sonore microRendu 1.4> Matrix Mini-i Pro 3> Naim NAP 110>NACA5>KEF Ls50's. BJC 6a and Ghent Catsnake 6a JSSG ethernet; AC cables: Shunyata Venom NR V-10; Audience Forte F3; Ice Age copper/copper; Sean Jacobs CHC PowerBlack, Moon Audio DIN>RCA, USB A>C. Isolation: Herbie's Audio Lab. Link to comment
lmitche Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 11 hours ago, charlesphoto said: You do know Ghent make Canare speaker cable as well? if they're anything like his other cables then they're good, esp for the money. https://www.ghentaudio.com/part/s01.html Yes, but ghent uses a different, 13 awg not 11 awg, canare cable. Nevertheless I'm sure he'd agree to use 4s11 if asked. Pareto Audio aka nuckleheadaudio Link to comment
BigGuy Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 14 hours ago, SuperRu said: Sorry for trying to be a little bit too clever there. Blue Jeans Cable has a nice star quad cable that might be worth giving a try. https://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/speaker/index.htm 14 hours ago, lmitche said: Amazon too: https://www.amazon.com/Canare-Speaker-Cable-Premium-Bananas/dp/B00SPVIIZA/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1517012699&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=canare%2B4s11&th=1 So...is the recommendation for a starquad configuration vs 2 parallel runs of 2 twisted conductors to each speaker for best SQ? Link to comment
JohnSwenson Posted January 27, 2018 Author Share Posted January 27, 2018 4 hours ago, BigGuy said: So...is the recommendation for a starquad configuration vs 2 parallel runs of 2 twisted conductors to each speaker for best SQ? The starquad geometry has about 1/3 the inductance of a twisted pair and low inductance has frequently been stated to be a good quality for speaker cables, so yes going with the starquad is probably better than the twisted pairs. John S. Link to comment
BigGuy Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, JohnSwenson said: The starquad geometry has about 1/3 the inductance of a twisted pair and low inductance has frequently been stated to be a good quality for speaker cables, so yes going with the starquad is probably better than the twisted pairs. John S. Thanks, John. Have a nice weekend. Link to comment
Popular Post octaviars Posted January 28, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2018 On 2018-01-27 at 3:35 AM, charlesphoto said: You do know Ghent make Canare speaker cable as well? if they're anything like his other cables then they're good, esp for the money. https://www.ghentaudio.com/part/s01.html I use Ghent S01 speakercables and S99 jumpercables. Got them in all black, really well made. Cornan and MikeyFresh 1 1 Main system TAD D1000mk2, TAD M2500mk2, TAD CE-1, Ansuz Mainz 8 C2, Ansuz Darkz D-TC, Qobuz Studio -> Roon ROCK on NUC -> Uptone etherREGEN -> dCS Network Bridge -> AES/EBU -> DAC HD Plex 200W PSU (4 rail for ISP fiber, router, etherREGEN and NUC) Second system Qobuz Studio -> Devialet Silver Phantom, Devialet Tree Link to comment
jcn3 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 On 1/28/2018 at 7:03 AM, octaviars said: I use Ghent S01 speakercables and S99 jumpercables. Got them in all black, really well made. Just wondering if you've ever tried bi-wiring those TADs -- wonder if there would be a benefit. I just bi-wired my speakers and was surprised at the increase in "air" and articulation of individual instruments. (1) holo audio red (hqp naa) > chord dave > luxman cl-38uc/mq-88uc > kef reference 1 (2) simaudio moon mind 2 > chord qutest > luxman sq-n150 > monitor audio gold gx100 Link to comment
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