bit01 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 I have tried 1. the Cardas Litz 15.5 awg copper wire (as a twisted pair). A smaller gage (21.5) can be used for star quad, but I did not try this. available at: http://www.partsconnexion.com/wire_hookup_cardas.html and 2. the mil-w-16878 22 awg (silver plated copper strands/teflon insulation) in star quad . These come in spools (100ft Belden or Alpha Wire being the shortest). They are commonly used in aircraft/aerospace and at times can be found cheaper on ebay in left over form (hookup or cable form). e.g. http://ca.mouser.com/Wire-Cable/Hook-up-Wire/_/N-5ggs?P=1yzs67rZ1yxufheZ1z0juks&Keyword=alpha+wire&FS=True https://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xmil-w-16878.TRS0&_nkw=mil-w-16878&_sacat=0 connectors - I used the Switchcraft 762 (762K for the locking one) http://ca.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Switchcraft/762/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtnOp%2bbbqA00xVNfTC1Zp0MB0v2MPeNOaA%3d The mil-w-16878 in star quad edged the Cardas (twisted pair) in musical terms. I have no commercial affiliation to any of these products. Link to comment
tboooe Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 11 hours ago, R1200CL said: I think, (actually know) we're just hours away from being able to order Order what? 12TB NAS >> i7-6700 Server/Control PC >> i3-5015u NAA >> Singxer SU-1 DDC (modded) >> Holo Spring L3 DAC >> Accustic Arts Power 1 int amp >> Sonus Faber Guaneri Evolution speakers + REL T/5i sub (x2) Other components: UpTone Audio LPS1.2/IsoRegen, Fiber Switch and FMC, Windows Server 2016 OS, Audiophile Optimizer 3.0, Fidelizer Pro 6, HQ Player, Roonserver, PS Audio P3 AC regenerator, HDPlex 400W ATX & 200W Linear PSU, Light Harmonic Lightspeed Split USB cable, Synergistic Research Tungsten AC power cords, Tara Labs The One speaker cables, Tara Labs The Two Extended with HFX Station IC, Oyaide R1 outlets, Stillpoints Ultra Mini footers, Hi-Fi Tuning fuses, Vicoustic/RealTraps/GIK room treatments Link to comment
agladstone Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 FYI, the new Ethernet cables are still not up on Ghent audio website, I'm thinking I'm gonna order some Link to comment
R1200CL Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Trying with sleeve. I think I messed up connecting shield to the plug. I'm gland I don't make cables for living ? Another er thing I discovered with the Belden 1303 is that it seems to have a internal unisolated wire in the middle. It may could act as the loop cable. Link to comment
octaviars Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 10 minutes ago, R1200CL said: Another er thing I discovered with the Belden 1303 is that it seems to have a internal unisolated wire in the middle. It may could act as the loop cable. Will it work as it was meant to do if the wire is unisolated and in the middle of the screened pairs, I dont think it will. If it was isolated it would work but I dont think that having that in the middle of a cable is such a good thing. Using screened ethernet cables can introduce problems with earthloops. I think it is recomended to not mix screened and unscreened ethernet cables in the same system and often screened ethernet cables does not make any difference in a home system were there are very little that can disturb a signal in a twistedpair cable. I might be wrong about this as I seldom work with network systems. Main system TAD D1000mk2, TAD M2500mk2, TAD CE-1, Ansuz Mainz 8 C2, Ansuz Darkz D-TC, Qobuz Studio -> Roon ROCK on NUC -> Uptone etherREGEN -> dCS Network Bridge -> AES/EBU -> DAC HD Plex 200W PSU (4 rail for ISP fiber, router, etherREGEN and NUC) Second system Qobuz Studio -> Devialet Silver Phantom, Devialet Tree Link to comment
R1200CL Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 New color ? Just got got an email; The black version has been sent from Shanghai ? asdf1000 1 Link to comment
asdf1000 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 16 hours ago, R1200CL said: New colorJust got got an email; The black version has been sent from Shanghai ? Which ethernet cable is Ghent using? Do you have the model number so I can Google the specs. Edit: just seen above, the Belden 1303 Link to comment
Popular Post R1200CL Posted July 28, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Em2016 said: Edit: just seen above, the Belden 1303 Yes, it has "everything" but not the bonded pair. Whis is twisted pair glued together. Datasheet here As far as I understand you can't find any bonded pair with proper shielding. Also I think those cables are quite stiff. I'm planning to email Belden and ask about that center conductor. asdf1000 and agladstone 2 Link to comment
tboooe Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 22 hours ago, R1200CL said: Just got got an email; The black version has been sent from Shanghai ? so is this ethernet cable available for purchase from Ghent? I would like to give it a try. Is the cable they made the JSSG design? 12TB NAS >> i7-6700 Server/Control PC >> i3-5015u NAA >> Singxer SU-1 DDC (modded) >> Holo Spring L3 DAC >> Accustic Arts Power 1 int amp >> Sonus Faber Guaneri Evolution speakers + REL T/5i sub (x2) Other components: UpTone Audio LPS1.2/IsoRegen, Fiber Switch and FMC, Windows Server 2016 OS, Audiophile Optimizer 3.0, Fidelizer Pro 6, HQ Player, Roonserver, PS Audio P3 AC regenerator, HDPlex 400W ATX & 200W Linear PSU, Light Harmonic Lightspeed Split USB cable, Synergistic Research Tungsten AC power cords, Tara Labs The One speaker cables, Tara Labs The Two Extended with HFX Station IC, Oyaide R1 outlets, Stillpoints Ultra Mini footers, Hi-Fi Tuning fuses, Vicoustic/RealTraps/GIK room treatments Link to comment
R1200CL Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 1 hour ago, tboooe said: so is this ethernet cable available for purchase from Ghent? I would like to give it a try. Is the cable they made the JSSG design? It should have been. I don't know why it's not listed yet. The one he sending me is more or less a sample together with more DC cables I ordered some time ago. I did not get any pictures this time. You can of cause email him. You may add if you accept his suggested plugs, or if you willing to pay extra for Metz. I think he may is doing some optimization in order to offer a very good product. As stated it looks easy to do, but at least for me it's not, and I have of cause no idea if my cables will match specifications. I just had to redo my yellow cable. I think I may found a better way to do this. To dismantle ( and reuse) those Metz plugs was easy. Link to comment
R1200CL Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 On 28.7.2017 at 5:58 PM, tboooe said: so is this ethernet cable available for purchase from Ghent? I would like to give it a try. Is the cable they made the JSSG design? https://www.ghentaudio.com/part/et01.html He decided to go without sleeve for now, as he thinks it makes it stiffer. Use T568B. Link to comment
agladstone Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 How does your homage one sound? Any improvement? I just saw Ghent's (thanks to your post) - I would require at least 4/5 of these with my current set-up, so it would be a littke pricey for me, so is it worth it?? Link to comment
R1200CL Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 41 minutes ago, agladstone said: How does your homage one sound? Any improvemen I will test this next week when my MicroRendu 1.4 hopefully has arrived. I guess you can search for tests for the more expensive audio Ethernet cables, and you may get an idea. Link to comment
agladstone Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Thanks! I have BJC Cat 6a cables now and they sound good overall (better than the Cat 7 ones I had from Amazon (Cable Matters brand) before, but these new ghent ones seem like a they could be a less expensive version of some of the higher end ones on the market (Audioquest, Nordst, Sonore, etc), so maybe I'll give them a try! (At least for the audio path) Link to comment
R1200CL Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 7 hours ago, agladstone said: but these new ghent ones seem like a they could be a less expensive version of some of the higher end ones on the market That was my intention to achive. But i can of cause be wrong. I don't even know if they use shielding, though I expect so, and I believe a good plug is essential. Link to comment
sbilotta Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 8 hours ago, R1200CL said: I guess you can search for tests for the more expensive audio Ethernet cables, and you may get an idea. If it's anything like the Ghent USB JSSG cable then there's going to be a good uplift in SQ; I have already ordered. agladstone 1 Link to comment
agladstone Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 16 hours ago, sbilotta said: If it's anything like the Ghent USB JSSG cable then there's going to be a good uplift in SQ; I have already ordered. I'll probably order a few myself, perhaps I'll let a few of you be guinea pigs first? I have a bunch (6) of the Ghent Canare 4S6/ oyiade DC cables and I also had Ghent make me a custom split / Y USB JSSG cable (this custom made USB cable I don't think I'm going to end up using, so if anyone is interested in it, PM me!!) Link to comment
R1200CL Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 On 27.7.2017 at 6:31 PM, octaviars said: Using screened ethernet cables can introduce problems with earthloops. You may have a valid concern. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/340-audiophile-ethernet-cable-gets-a-marginal-pass-on-the-test-bench/ As we now understand the Vodka does not connect screen to the plugs. Link to comment
R1200CL Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 On 1.8.2017 at 1:32 AM, agladstone said: guinea pigs first I think the question is if one should fully comply withe the cat 6a standard or not. We we need a small dip switch added in the loop, in order to remove the Faraday cave from the plug. One end should do ? Link to comment
agladstone Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Will the ghent version connect the screen to the plugs? Actually I'm sure upon request he could not connect the screen to the plugs for us?? Link to comment
R1200CL Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 4 minutes ago, agladstone said: Will the ghent version connect the screen to the plugs? Actually I'm sure upon request he could not connect the screen to the plugs for us?? Of cause he will ? Yes, as per now according to 6a. (Plugs to screen). Link to comment
agladstone Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 So, if I order a couple from Ghent , I should make sure to special request no screen to plugs? Link to comment
R1200CL Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 31 minutes ago, agladstone said: So, if I order a couple from Ghent , I should make sure to special request no screen to plugs? That's actually quite hard for me to give an advice on. But you could ask for both versions (and maybe with a discount as a guinea pig) and write a review here: In the end, this may be very system depended. And im not sure connecting a correctly shielded cable to a MicroRendu or an UltraRendu would even matter. Meaning, could it make unwanted loops of any kind. Which we may first should find out, as I think this is where such a cable has a meaning. Make sure the last "mile" is top quality. Link to comment
R1200CL Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 I'm going to make a new Ethernet cable mayself this weekend without the plugs shielded. This was the plan even before I came across this latest info. I just was waiting for some nylon sleeve to arrive from France. Came yesterday. Link to comment
R1200CL Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 If any is interested in reading more about shielding:Bonding Cable Shields at Both Ends to Reduce Noise I think some will disagree to part of the conclusion here. "......Ground loop currents are not a real problem for correctly-designed pro-audio equipment, in fact they are a real benefit......) Link to comment
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