Vangelis Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Entire library of 2000 CDs were ripped in a AIFF. See a trend that many people find wave files sound better. Those who have stored original libraries in FLAC may have the benefit of a better conversion to AIFF then I have. Can I convert my AIFF files to WAVE with similar improvements that FLAC to a AIFF can offer? TP-LInk 1200 WiFi router>Transparent Audio ethernet cable>Synergistic Research Switch>Transparent Audio ethernet cable>Innuos Pulsar> Sablon EVO USB cable>Innuos Phoenix>Sablon EVO USB cable>T+A DAC 2000 >Enleum AMP-23r>Audience SX speaker cables>Raidho X1t or HiFiMan HE-1000se headphones. Synergistic Research Atmosphere Excite powers cords>Puritan Audio 156 pwr conditioner. Link to comment
Popular Post tmtomh Posted March 10, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2017 Entire library of 2000 CDs were ripped in a AIFF. See a trend that many people find wave files sound better. Those who have stored original libraries in FLAC may have the benefit of a better conversion to AIFF then I have. Can I convert my AIFF files to WAVE with similar improvements that FLAC to a AIFF can offer? No. WAV and AIFF files will sound identical. wgscott and Apesbrain 2 Link to comment
Popular Post jhwalker Posted March 10, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2017 No. WAV and AIFF files will sound identical. As will FLAC, ALAC, WAV, and AIFF - all contain identical music data. Sent from my iPhone using Computer Audiophile tmtomh, Apesbrain and wgscott 3 John Walker - IT Executive Headphone - SonicTransporter i9 running Roon Server > Netgear Orbi > Blue Jeans Cable Ethernet > mRendu Roon endpoint > Topping D90 > Topping A90d > Dan Clark Expanse / HiFiMan H6SE v2 / HiFiman Arya Stealth Home Theater / Music -SonicTransporter i9 running Roon Server > Netgear Orbi > Blue Jeans Cable HDMI > Denon X3700h > Anthem Amp for front channels > Revel F208-based 5.2.4 Atmos speaker system Link to comment
wwaldmanfan Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Entire library of 2000 CDs were ripped in a AIFF. See a trend that many people find wave files sound better. Those who have stored original libraries in FLAC may have the benefit of a better conversion to AIFF then I have. Can I convert my AIFF files to WAVE with similar improvements that FLAC to a AIFF can offer? As stated, AIFF to WAV is identical data in a different container. Extremely unlikely to hear a difference, and certainly not worth the effort to convert all those files. FLAC to AIFF is transcoding a compressed lossless file to an uncompressed lossless file. Theoretically, the computer has to do more work to uncompress the FLAC on the fly during playback. This is the basis for the argument, but again, academic and moot with modern computers. I like this album: wgscott 1 Link to comment
Popular Post kumakuma Posted March 10, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2017 As stated, AIFF to WAV is identical data in a different container. Extremely unlikely to hear a difference, and certainly not worth the effort to convert all those files. Another reason not to convert is that WAV support for metadata is greatly inferior to AIFF. JediJoker, MikeyFresh and wgscott 3 Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
audiventory Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Entire library of 2000 CDs were ripped in a AIFF. See a trend that many people find wave files sound better. Those who have stored original libraries in FLAC may have the benefit of a better conversion to AIFF then I have. Can I convert my AIFF files to WAVE with similar improvements that FLAC to a AIFF can offer? Is WAV and AIFF identical audio file formats. WAV and AIFF based at one file structure. WAV and AIFF difference in byte order in samples and number values into non-audio data blocks. These blocks also have other format than WAV. Order bytes is legacy of used hardware platform. For quality of sound AIFF, WAV, FLAC are absolutelly same, because contains identical audio data. Theory what unpacking/repacking cause additional CPU load and hence noise while have no practical proofs. wgscott 1 AuI ConverteR 48x44 - HD audio converter/optimizer for DAC of high resolution files ISO, DSF, DFF (1-bit/D64/128/256/512/1024), wav, flac, aiff, alac, safe CD ripper to PCM/DSF, Seamless Album Conversion, AIFF, WAV, FLAC, DSF metadata editor, Mac & WindowsOffline conversion save energy and nature Link to comment
Solid-State Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Is only one answer to your question, Try and listen, if you think it sounds better, be happy and convert don't listen to what other people says it's up to your ears and not others it's always good to get as little cpu work as possible Supperconductor 1 Link to comment
wgscott Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Things like md5sums and bit-identical file comparisons are ideological constructions of the lamestream media and the kultcheral eleet. Alternative facts are at play here, and every opinion is subjective and equally meritorious. So just follow your ears and our President's proclamations. Link to comment
RayBan Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Sounds like Killery speaking in tongues Regards,[br]Ray Link to comment
audiventory Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Try and listen, if you think it sounds better, be happy and convert Agree. AuI ConverteR 48x44 - HD audio converter/optimizer for DAC of high resolution files ISO, DSF, DFF (1-bit/D64/128/256/512/1024), wav, flac, aiff, alac, safe CD ripper to PCM/DSF, Seamless Album Conversion, AIFF, WAV, FLAC, DSF metadata editor, Mac & WindowsOffline conversion save energy and nature Link to comment
Solid-State Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 never used anything other than wav, why compresses ?? Link to comment
Solid-State Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Another reason not to convert is that WAV support for metadata is greatly inferior to AIFF. as little metadata as possible for the best sound and for god sake, don't embed pictures in song file like some one like to do Link to comment
Popular Post mansr Posted March 10, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2017 never used anything other than wav, why compresses ?? 1. To save storage space or network bandwidth. 2. To reduce noisy hard drive activity during playback. rayooo and JediJoker 2 Link to comment
Popular Post mansr Posted March 10, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2017 as little metadata as possible for the best sound and for god sake, don't embed pictures in song file like some one like to do By what mechanism do you suppose metadata degrades the sound quality? JediJoker, rayooo and wgscott 3 Link to comment
mingusamongus Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 as little metadata as possible for the best sound and for god sake, don't embed pictures in song file like some one like to do try to embed different pictures into the same song file, the same song will always sound different. Link to comment
Bystander Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 try to embed different pictures into the same song file, the same song will always sound different. No, it won't. wgscott 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Bystander Posted March 10, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2017 as little metadata as possible for the best sound The amount of metadata does not affect the sound. JediJoker, wgscott and rayooo 3 Link to comment
Popular Post kumakuma Posted March 10, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2017 try to embed different pictures into the same song file, the same song will always sound different. +1 My enjoyable of this album increased after I added cover art: Supperconductor and MikeyFresh 2 Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
audiventory Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 try to embed different pictures into the same song file, the same song will always sound different. Metadata and audio data are located in different places of audio file. They don't intersect. Audio player read metadata (and display it) just open file for reading. Before playback. After it audio player read audio data from file. It can place it to computer memory in full size or portion-by-portion. So reading metadata and playback audio are divided by time. Hence it is uncorelated processes. As alternative, drawing of artwork may be performed as parallel process, but it consume milliseconds of processing time once and performed independently on reading playback buffer into DAC. wgscott 1 AuI ConverteR 48x44 - HD audio converter/optimizer for DAC of high resolution files ISO, DSF, DFF (1-bit/D64/128/256/512/1024), wav, flac, aiff, alac, safe CD ripper to PCM/DSF, Seamless Album Conversion, AIFF, WAV, FLAC, DSF metadata editor, Mac & WindowsOffline conversion save energy and nature Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 every opinion is subjective and equally meritorious that's what they learned as liberal arts majors can you blame them? Link to comment
No Disc Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I have no idea if this is true or not, but I seen this post yesterday on the Jplay forums as I recently have been having some issues with my aiff ripped files converting properly using Jplaystreamer. I believe the concept behind this is the server or player has to work harder to invert the data over for feeding the DAC, then can effect overall SQ. Quote Actually WAV can only be better as AIFF was initially built for Motorola CPU so every sample has to be inverted for Intel CPU before sending it to DAC while WAV was built for Intel originally and such 'processing' (although trivial compared to e.g. decompressing from FLAC) is not needed as samples are in 'correct' order already. In practice you'll be hard pressed to hear a difference but perhaps this explanation gives you a bit of piece of mind HD-PLEX LPS > SLK (Chinese) DC Power Cable > Mac Mini 2012 (Uptone MMK / SnakeOil OS) > LPS-1 > UpTone ISO Regen > USPCB > Chord Mojo > WireWorld Nano-Silver Eclipse > AudioEngine A2+ Link to comment
wwaldmanfan Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I believe you are referring to the byte-order of an AIFF/AIF file, which is denoted as big-endian. The alternative, inverted form of byte order is called little-endian. Some transcoding software can convert from one to the other, but modern audio playback hardware and software treats them interchangeably without issue. For more info, look up Audio Interchange File Format on Wikipedia. JediJoker 1 Link to comment
Popular Post mansr Posted March 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2017 6 hours ago, No Disc said: I have no idea if this is true or not, but I seen this post yesterday on the Jplay forums as I recently have been having some issues with my aiff ripped files converting properly using Jplaystreamer. I believe the concept behind this is the server or player has to work harder to invert the data over for feeding the DAC, then can effect overall SQ. Swapping the byte order is a single instruction on most CPUs. The difference in a complete playback chain, even a very minimal one, is not even measurable. JediJoker and MikeyFresh 2 Link to comment
Popular Post Jud Posted March 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2017 35 minutes ago, mansr said: Swapping the byte order is a single instruction on most CPUs. The difference in a complete playback chain, even a very minimal one, is not even measurable. But if the individual bits go into the wire backward, surely there's more friction? wgscott and JediJoker 2 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
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