Paul R Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 I am about to try Roon for the first time. Is It true that It can take days to index all of my music? JRiver tells me I have 95822 files (or about 5TB worth of music). What should I expect? Thanks! I understand it depends upon the CPU power, the Internet Speed, and whether or not your files include full metadata. But I would suggest on a modern hefty serve machine, you are more in the hours range than days. -Paul Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat DAC. Robert A. Heinlein Link to comment
kennyb123 Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 I Is It true that It can take days to index all of my music? JRiver tells me I have 95822 files (or about 5TB worth of music). What should I expect? There are two different processes as I see it: scan and then analysis. Scan adds to your library. It moves fairly quickly so you can start enjoying music right away. Analysis takes some time but I think it only matters if you want to apply volume normalization and see the dynamics measurement they come up with. JRiver has a similar feature where during import you can elect to have JRiver do detailed analysis. I'm just speculating here, but I do recall that during the several days it took to analyze my library, I was never once impeded in my ability to listen to music. Sent from my iPhone using Computer Audiophile Digital: Sonore opticalModule > Uptone EtherRegen > Shunyata Sigma Ethernet > Antipodes K30 > Shunyata Omega USB > Gustard X26pro DAC < Mutec REF10 SE120 Amp & Speakers: Spectral DMA-150mk2 > Aerial 10T Foundation: Stillpoints Ultra, Shunyata Denali v1 and Typhon x1 power conditioners, Shunyata Delta v2 and QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation and Infinity power cords, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation XLR interconnect, Shunyata Sigma Ethernet, MIT Matrix HD 60 speaker cables, GIK bass traps, ASC Isothermal tube traps, Stillpoints Aperture panels, Quadraspire SVT rack, PGGB 256 Link to comment
dummy Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 There are two different processes as I see it: scan and then analysis. Scan adds to your library. It moves fairly quickly so you can start enjoying music right away. Analysis takes some time but I think it only matters if you want to apply volume normalization and see the dynamics measurement they come up with. JRiver has a similar feature where during import you can elect to have JRiver do detailed analysis. I'm just speculating here, but I do recall that during the several days it took to analyze my library, I was never once impeded in my ability to listen to music. Sent from my iPhone using Computer Audiophile It took 5 hours to scan and add almost all files (153 files are maybe missing; 95822 files on JRiver vs 95669 on Roon) and it is still at 8155 files analysis after 5 hours... I did switch to 4 cores so maybe it did help. I guess I was wrong after all about it taking days but I'm pretty sure I read that a few times in the past and thought It was a bit odd. I like it so far, lots of great options and stuff to look at but it is quite different from JRemote... Quite a few more clics than JRemote to get to the music... Then again, I am an old fart and been using JRemote since day 1 so old farts usually don't like change that much! Thanks to all for the help! Arcam rDAC / Oppo BDP-83 / NAD 315BEE / Totem Arro Link to comment
jhwalker Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 It took 5 hours to scan and add almost all files (153 files are maybe missing; 95822 files on JRiver vs 95669 on Roon) and it is still at 8155 files analysis after 5 hours... I did switch to 4 cores so maybe it did help. I guess I was wrong after all about it taking days but I'm pretty sure I read that a few times in the past and thought It was a bit odd. I like it so far, lots of great options and stuff to look at but it is quite different from JRemote... Quite a few more clics than JRemote to get to the music... Then again, I am an old fart and been using JRemote since day 1 so old farts usually don't like change that much! Thanks to all for the help! I have just over 100k tracks, directly attached via Firewire to 2011 Mac Mini (2.5Ghz i5, 8GB RAM). Initial scan (i.e., adding / verifying files) took minutes (far less than 30 minutes), but the DR scan, etc., took the better part of a week, running on 3 cores most of the time (if I switched to 4 cores, it started interrupting playback). John Walker - IT Executive Headphone - SonicTransporter i9 running Roon Server > Netgear Orbi > Blue Jeans Cable Ethernet > mRendu Roon endpoint > Topping D90 > Topping A90d > Dan Clark Expanse / HiFiMan H6SE v2 / HiFiman Arya Stealth Home Theater / Music -SonicTransporter i9 running Roon Server > Netgear Orbi > Blue Jeans Cable HDMI > Denon X3700h > Anthem Amp for front channels > Revel F208-based 5.2.4 Atmos speaker system Link to comment
jtwrace Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 I have just over 100k tracks, directly attached via Firewire to 2011 Mac Mini (2.5Ghz i5, 8GB RAM). Initial scan (i.e., adding / verifying files) took minutes (far less than 30 minutes), but the DR scan, etc., took the better part of a week, running on 3 cores most of the time (if I switched to 4 cores, it started interrupting playback). I had all 8 cores running on my massive workstation I built and it ripped through them all in the day all while playing music. Computer HP still wins! W10 NUC i7 (Gen 10) > Roon (Audiolense FIR) > Motu UltraLite mk5 > (4) Hypex NCore NC502MP > JBL M2 Master Reference +4 subs Watch my Podcast https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXMw_bZWBMtRWNJQfTJ38kA/videos Link to comment
mrmb Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Not knowing about the 1.3 upgrade, I loaded a trial version of Roon just after 1.3 was released. The impetus for doing so was that I realized that unlike JRemote, I could use a Windows tablet as a remote. I no longer have to switch between an old iPad and a Surface Pro 3 to play music, compose emails and surf the web – yippee!! iPad's are a PITA to compose emails on and my long-in-the-tooth iPad 2 is struggling in the surfing department. Not believing that I would necessarily like the Roon experience especially given its cost, I’ve found otherwise!! So far, compared to JRiver which I have used for years and Apple related music server software, I’ve found the Roon experience to be a wonderful one! It’s as good as if not better than the fact that with a very slight learning curve, Roon just works and it easily does so with all my devices. In fact, I like Roon so much, as soon as I decided that I was going to purchase it, I ordered a new 2017 15.6-inch Spectre x360 convertible notebook primarily for use in the audio room! BTW, Chris, if you see this, I found your YouTube presentation of Roon to be well done and very helpful….Thanks!! -Mike Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted March 2, 2017 Author Share Posted March 2, 2017 Not knowing about the 1.3 upgrade, I loaded a trial version of Roon just after 1.3 was released. The impetus for doing so was that I realized that unlike JRemote, I could use a Windows tablet as a remote. I no longer have to switch between an old iPad and a Surface Pro 3 to play music, compose emails and surf the web – yippee!! iPad's are a PITA to compose emails on and my long-in-the-tooth iPad 2 is struggling in the surfing department. Not believing that I would necessarily like the Roon experience especially given its cost, I’ve found otherwise!! So far, compared to JRiver which I have used for years and Apple related music server software, I’ve found the Roon experience to be a wonderful one! It’s as good as if not better than the fact that with a very slight learning curve, Roon just works and it easily does so with all my devices. In fact, I like Roon so much, as soon as I decided that I was going to purchase it, I ordered a new 2017 15.6-inch Spectre x360 convertible notebook primarily for use in the audio room! BTW, Chris, if you see this, I found your YouTube presentation of Roon to be well done and very helpful….Thanks!! Good to hear. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
silverarrows Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 I've been using Roon through a trial after purchasing a DragonFly Red. I've been looking around, but can't find an explanation I can understand. What type of processing does Roon do, in particular on Macs? In comparing my library and Tidal to Audirvana Plus, I find Roon has such an engaging sound I can't stop listening. I'm using an i7 iMac into a Chord Mojo then Focal Elears. I am considering a lifetime subscription to Roon, but am on the fence. If Spotify goes lossless I'll switch over from Tidal as it works better for my musical preferences. Link to comment
JBNY Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 I've been using Roon through a trial after purchasing a DragonFly Red. I've been looking around, but can't find an explanation I can understand. What type of processing does Roon do, in particular on Macs? In comparing my library and Tidal to Audirvana Plus, I find Roon has such an engaging sound I can't stop listening. I'm using an i7 iMac into a Chord Mojo then Focal Elears. I am considering a lifetime subscription to Roon, but am on the fence. If Spotify goes lossless I'll switch over from Tidal as it works better for my musical preferences. They are not really doing processing as much as just making sure that roon is sending a bit perfect signal to you DAC or player. ReadyNAS Ultra/6 stored flac->GigE network->roon->Uptone JS-2->microRendu->W4S Recovery->W4S DAC-2v2 SE>W4S STP-SE STG2 Preamp->W4S ST-1000 Amplifer->Von Schweikert VR-44 Link to comment
dtschlack Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 They are not really doing processing as much as just making sure that roon is sending a bit perfect signal to you DAC or player. Which is a good thing! Sent from my iPad using Computer Audiophile Link to comment
BilboAlaska Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 I can't find the list of hardware that works with Roon. Thanks? Link to comment
ShawnC Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 7 hours ago, BilboAlaska said: I can't find the list of hardware that works with Roon. Thanks? https://kb.roonlabs.com/FAQ:_What_are_the_minimum_requirements%3F BilboAlaska 1 Computer setup - Roon/Qobuz - PS Audio P5 Regenerator - HIFI Rose 250A Streamer - Emotiva XPA-2 Harbeth P3ESR XD - Rel R-528 Sub Comfy Chair - Schitt Jotunheim - Meze Audio Empyrean w/Mitch Barnett's Accurate Sound FilterSet Link to comment
BilboAlaska Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Thanks ShawnC. This forum is always such a big help. As a beginner to digital I asked the wrong question. I am shopping for a digital music systems with the least computer involvement. So Media Servers. I just bought a Bluesound Vault but have never had a music software system on my iMac or iPad except Tidal. That is all I have besides the Dragonfly Red and a Cobblestone Muzo. The rest is old school. Before I go for software such as Roon or other, I wonder what gear it is compatible with other than the computer. I don’t really understand how to use any of these, which of them include NAS and/or DAC which I don’t have. Would I be using Roon with these: Bluesound Vault 2 which I already bought. Other Media Servers I have considered include: Sony, e.g. HapZ1ES Melco N1A High Resolution Digital Music Library Auralic seems to be a main one for Roon users. Naim Marantz Onkyo Cambridge Audio Cyrus Pioneer Aurender N100H Oppo Portable players: Questyle Onkyo Astell&Kern Sony Link to comment
lmitche Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 1 hour ago, BilboAlaska said: Thanks ShawnC. This forum is always such a big help. As a beginner to digital I asked the wrong question. I am shopping for a digital music systems with the least computer involvement. So Media Servers. I just bought a Bluesound Vault but have never had a music software system on my iMac or iPad except Tidal. That is all I have besides the Dragonfly Red and a Cobblestone Muzo. The rest is old school. Before I go for software such as Roon or other, I wonder what gear it is compatible with other than the computer. I don’t really understand how to use any of these, which of them include NAS and/or DAC which I don’t have. Would I be using Roon with these: Bluesound Vault 2 which I already bought. Other Media Servers I have considered include: Sony, e.g. HapZ1ES Melco N1A High Resolution Digital Music Library Auralic seems to be a main one for Roon users. Naim Marantz Onkyo Cambridge Audio Cyrus Pioneer Aurender N100H Oppo Portable players: Questyle Onkyo Astell&Kern Sony Seem to me you have enough to have a working system. The bluestone vaultn2 is an SMB server, aka NAS. The muzo cobblestone is a player and DAC in one box. You can use the muzo app on your phone or tablet to control playback. Are you looking for help in making this work? Or are you interested in a higher fidelity platform? BilboAlaska 1 Pareto Audio aka nuckleheadaudio Link to comment
BilboAlaska Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 I am interested in another media server to use in a different location than the Vault. I believe Roon will work with the Bluesound Vault 2. Right? It has not arrived yet. One problem is that there is only one internet modem and I have hifi stereo systems in other areas of the building. My only trepidation with the Bluesound is that it has to be wire connected to the wif modem so I cannot use it in other places not having the web modem. I plan to rip 1K or more cds to the Vault. Then learn to download online music. The Muzo I got to simply play internet music via wifi, including Tidal on a home hifi in a completely different area than the Bluesound will be set up. I need a wifi streamer for that room. It is OK but not as good sounding as my LM 215 cdp. I am thinking of getting a 2d media player to use instead of the Muzo. If I go for Roon, I would need a compatible media player. Link to comment
BilboAlaska Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 So I found this on the Roon Website. Partners: https://roonlabs.com/partners.html Link to comment
lmitche Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 46 minutes ago, BilboAlaska said: So I found this on the Roon Website. Partners: https://roonlabs.com/partners.html Yes, well there you go, lots of choices! Most have been reviewed somewhere in CA. And yes, your bluesound vault should play with these streamers. BilboAlaska 1 Pareto Audio aka nuckleheadaudio Link to comment
ShawnC Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 On 4/3/2017 at 5:03 PM, BilboAlaska said: Thanks ShawnC. This forum is always such a big help. As a beginner to digital I asked the wrong question. I am shopping for a digital music systems with the least computer involvement. So Media Servers. I just bought a Bluesound Vault but have never had a music software system on my iMac or iPad except Tidal. That is all I have besides the Dragonfly Red and a Cobblestone Muzo. The rest is old school. Before I go for software such as Roon or other, I wonder what gear it is compatible with other than the computer. I don’t really understand how to use any of these, which of them include NAS and/or DAC which I don’t have. Would I be using Roon with these: Bluesound Vault 2 which I already bought. If your looking to use Roon specifically, you'll need some sort of computer/NAS to run Roon on, they call it the Core. So an Intel Nuc, an old computer can work (that meets Roon's specs.), or your iMac would work. If you already have your music on it then your set. I'm not sure if this will work, you can search Roon's site, you could run Roon on your Mac and use your Bluesound vault as the NAS that Roon is looking at, for it's music content. It's nice to have Ethernet wired everywhere so you can just add Sonore's microRendu's in every room you want music in and a DAC and your done. The microRendu acts as zone in Roon, just and an ethernet to one end and a DAC to the other. Easier said then done. Microrendu's aren't cheap either. So many options. I know your looking for the least computer involvement but if you want Roon you'll need some sort of computer. Almost all other media servers have there own software that wouldn't run with Roon. BilboAlaska 1 Computer setup - Roon/Qobuz - PS Audio P5 Regenerator - HIFI Rose 250A Streamer - Emotiva XPA-2 Harbeth P3ESR XD - Rel R-528 Sub Comfy Chair - Schitt Jotunheim - Meze Audio Empyrean w/Mitch Barnett's Accurate Sound FilterSet Link to comment
BilboAlaska Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Thanks for that info Shawn. The Bluesound just arrived and I am unpacking it. I hope to use the iPad Pro as a control/remote for Roon. I got the max memory available. I don't know if the iPad limits the sound quality from the web to the BlueVault2. The Vault is hard wired to the wifi modem and the iPad of course is wifi. I did keep my older Mac and had planned to use it as a music device but it constantly asks for, and requires software updates. It is maxed at around Mac OS 7.8 or so and won't accept newer programs so I quit using it. I will look into the microRendu option too. It would be a pain to run ethernet in this old house, possible but I would rather not go to the work as I will be moving to a tiny house in a couple years. ShawnC 1 Link to comment
bunno77 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 With the new update and peq addition is it possible to load convolution filters from other software like acourate, red, Dirac etc. Thank you Peach Audio Iso Transformer, Linn Akurate DSM, McIntosh MA2275 Paradigm 30th Anniversary Tributes, SVS SB13 Ultra x2, Dynaudio BM5A MKII Link to comment
ShawnC Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 55 minutes ago, bunno77 said: With the new update and peq addition is it possible to load convolution filters from other software like acourate, red, Dirac etc. Thank you Yes, there's a very good post on how to use REW on the Room website. bunno77 1 Computer setup - Roon/Qobuz - PS Audio P5 Regenerator - HIFI Rose 250A Streamer - Emotiva XPA-2 Harbeth P3ESR XD - Rel R-528 Sub Comfy Chair - Schitt Jotunheim - Meze Audio Empyrean w/Mitch Barnett's Accurate Sound FilterSet Link to comment
dayworker Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 I guess HQP integration is not affected. I am not sure if this means that when you engage the upsampling and DSP engines integration is turned off, I doubt it. If you're enough to upsample in Roon HQ ,I suppose you can check yourself again. Link to comment
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