Hugo9000 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 16 hours ago, Jud said: It was years ago, so I don't have a link and don't remember the product. Perhaps Ted does, since it apparently caused him to change web copy. I was in a dealer's listening room that had the HFTs. Didn't hear anything notable, though the dealer was excited about them at the time. A couple of months later they were gone, unremarked by the dealer. I didn't notice a change in the room's sound. Apologies for the OT, but I think the relationship between MQA and the Synergistic marketing is that both require a "willing suspension of disbelief" that to my mind isn't borne out by my listening experience or any data I've seen. (MQA at least does provably alter the signal.) Here is the article: https://www.audiostream.com/content/synergistic-research-high-frequency-transducer-and-frequency-equalizer and your comment: https://www.audiostream.com/comment/503310#comment-503310 I just googled "audiostream synergistic research quantum tunneling" and there it was 请教别人一次是5分钟的傻子,从不请教别人是一辈子的傻子 Link to comment
Popular Post crenca Posted December 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 8, 2018 59 minutes ago, Hugo9000 said: Here is the article: https://www.audiostream.com/content/synergistic-research-high-frequency-transducer-and-frequency-equalizer and your comment: https://www.audiostream.com/comment/503310#comment-503310 I just googled "audiostream synergistic research quantum tunneling" and there it was I love the simple question by Bob B right after Teddy's reply: "What kind of energy do the HFT's convert sound waves to?" For Lee Scoggins benefit: Teddy says that in using words, he is "attempting" to be clear, concise, etc. So he says that HFT is a transducer. Yet, all he really does is use the term "transducer" without actually "correlating" (his word) his product to what a transducer actually does. Just as mansr did earlier, Bob B is simply asking Ted to actually explain what his product even does. How is it a "transducer"? What Teddy and Lee Scoggins do for a living is just use words in a technobabble way to obscure, not to actually explain. whether Lee Scoggins actually understands what "transducer" is or does is irrelevant - his whole participation in this thread, at the @The Computer AudiophileMQA seminar - indeed his whole "professional" participation in this hobby has this character of using words and not actually meaning anything at all. All that said, the problem as I see it is not the Teddy's and Lee Scoggins of this hobby - confidence men have always been around. The problem is Audiophiles themselves who in diverse ways ignore or tolerate all this... Confused, Ralf11, Hugo9000 and 1 other 3 1 Hey MQA, if it is not all $voodoo$, show us the math! Link to comment
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Popular Post sandyk Posted December 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 8, 2018 2 hours ago, crenca said: All that said, the problem as I see it is not the Teddy's and Lee Scoggins of this hobby - confidence men have always been around. The problem is Audiophiles themselves who in diverse ways ignore or tolerate all this... What if Lee was able to demonstrate with a high statistical probability through his own system under non sighted conditions that he could identify and actually preferred the MQA version ? Calling others confidence men because you don't agree with them is going way too far without any kind of proof other than theoretical. N.B. I don't want or feel the need for need MQA either ! Teresa and daverich4 1 1 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 What if an asteroid the size of Manhattan hit Earth (again)? - speculation is not useful, and my stmt. is something we can prepare for AND is more likely than yours Link to comment
Popular Post Hugo9000 Posted December 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 8, 2018 10 minutes ago, sandyk said: What if Lee was able to demonstrate with a high statistical probability through his own system under non sighted conditions that he could identify and actually preferred the MQA version ? Calling others confidence men because you don't agree with them is going way too far without any kind of proof other than theoretical. N.B. I don't want or feel the need for need MQA either ! Someone might be able to identify the MQA version 100% of the time (and prove that to others during blind testing), but we would only have his word for it that he actually preferred it. He might hate the MQA version or know that it is NOT faithful to the master/recording session/artist's intent, but have other (nefarious) reasons to say that it's superior in order to attempt to influence others to accept MQA. If that someone appears to be a shill, there is no reason for anyone to accept that person's stated subjective evaluation/preference, even if we might accept the objective part regarding their ability to identify MQA 100% of the time. (This would apply to anyone in such circumstances, readers can make up their own minds if they believe Lee is impartial or has good taste/musical discernment and pushes MQA out of a genuine love of it and desire to share that with the entire world (I don't think his post count on various fora quite equals a message to each of the 7 billion+ on the planet yet, so this might be slightly hyperbolic) or out of purely venal reasons or a combination thereof.) mansr, MikeyFresh and Teresa 2 1 请教别人一次是5分钟的傻子,从不请教别人是一辈子的傻子 Link to comment
Popular Post sandyk Posted December 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Ralf11 said: What if an asteroid the size of Manhattan hit Earth (again)? - speculation is not useful, and my stmt. is something we can prepare for AND is more likely than yours Closed minded Zealots like yourself are calling others conmen because with your closed minds you are not willing to give others the benefit of the doubt, let alone permit them the opportunity to demonstrate what they report hearing. You do NOT know what Lee is hearing, and you do NOT have an audio system with anywhere near the potential capabilities of his system. However, it is possible that there may be something in this particular system that causes him to prefer the MQA version , although for the vast majority they are likely to prefer pure unadulterated high resolution LPCM using their own systems. It could be interesting if Chris was able to have Lee demonstrate to him what he believes is better about MQA in his own system. Quite often people do not hear certain differences until they are pointed out to them , and then may be able to home in on the same differences themselves. daverich4, Currawong, Teresa and 1 other 3 1 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
Popular Post sandyk Posted December 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Hugo9000 said: readers can make up their own minds if they believe Lee is impartial or has good taste/musical discernment and pushes MQA out of a genuine love of it and desire to share that with the entire world They should be permitted the opportunity to do so without the lynch mob mentality evident in this thread led by a couple of highly vocal members who consider themselves Judge, Jury and Executioner. We have already seen more than enough of this type of behaviour already with the nasty " cut down the tall poppies" attacks on the integrity of people like John Atkinson. ( No, I do not read his magazine!) Currawong and Teresa 2 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
Popular Post crenca Posted December 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 8, 2018 1 hour ago, sandyk said: What if Lee was able to demonstrate with a high statistical probability through his own system under non sighted conditions that he could identify and actually preferred the MQA version ? Calling others confidence men because you don't agree .. with them is going way too far without any kind of proof other than theoretical. N.B. I don't want or feel the need for need MQA either ! You're the type of audiophile to which I refer SandyK. You have no objective basis the judge anything other than "preference", so everything for you is a mere preference. This is radical subjectivism. So if anybody else that comes along and says that there is a reality and that reality is in a important sense the judge of each subjective preference, well you get all bent out of shape. You talk about proof but at the end you don't really believe in any kind of proof because again as long as somebody prefers this or that then that's all that is needed. So you end up defending the indefensible in berating mansr and anybody else who does not give radical subjective latitude to any and all ideas, products, and preferences. Into this confused and confusing audiophiledom, walks the confidence-man. it's a perfect breeding ground for their intentionally confused and confusing use of words, ideas, and products. Ralf11, sarvsa, Sal1950 and 1 other 3 1 Hey MQA, if it is not all $voodoo$, show us the math! Link to comment
Popular Post crenca Posted December 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 8, 2018 40 minutes ago, sandyk said: They should be permitted the opportunity to do so without the lynch mob mentality evident in this thread led by a couple of highly vocal members who consider themselves Judge, Jury and Executioner. We have already seen more than enough of this type of behaviour already with the nasty " cut down the tall poppies" attacks on the integrity of people like John Atkinson. ( No, I do not read his magazine!) Actually what we have seen enough of is apologists like yourself for the indefensible. Wag your finger all you want, we're going to continue pointing out the untruth and outright lies of the men you defend. We don't want to be a part of, and have never truly been a part of the audio silliness that you would have us tolerate. Yep that is a judgment, and I stand by it... sarvsa, Sal1950, mansr and 1 other 4 Hey MQA, if it is not all $voodoo$, show us the math! Link to comment
sandyk Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, crenca said: You're the type of audiophile to which I refer SandyK. You have no objective basis the judge anything other than "preference", so everything for you is a mere preference. This is radical subjectivism. Bullshit ! I am the ONLY C.A. member who has had their observations verified by way of the so called:" Gold Standard " of 6 separate correctly performed DBTs, as well as non sighted listening by Barry Diament and others. People like you are so closed minded that you aren't even interested in checking out any proof when it is offered, as I have done on several recent occasions with BR discs that have been available in the USA for > 6 months now. You simply aren't interested in seeing /hearing anything that challenges your belief system,. Talk about welded shut closed minds ! Teresa 1 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
Popular Post Confused Posted December 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Ralf11 said: What if an asteroid the size of Manhattan hit Earth (again)? - speculation is not useful, and my stmt. is something we can prepare for AND is more likely than yours Thankfully this is roughly the same odds as Lee agreeing to a non sighted test. sullis02, MikeyFresh and Ralf11 1 2 Windows 11 PC, Roon, HQPlayer, Focus Fidelity convolutions, iFi Zen Stream, Paul Hynes SR4, Mutec REF10, Mutec MC3+USB, Devialet 1000Pro, KEF Blade. Plus Pro-Ject Signature 12 TT for playing my 'legacy' vinyl collection. Desktop system; RME ADI-2 DAC fs, Meze Empyrean headphones. Link to comment
crenca Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, sandyk said: Bullshit ! I am the ONLY C.A. member who has had their observations verified by way of the so called:" Gold Standard " of 6 separate correctly performed DBTs, as well as non sighted listening by Barry Diament and others. People like you are so closed minded that you aren't even interested in checking out any proof when it is offered, as I have done on several recent occasions with BR discs that have been available in the USA for > 6 months now. You simply aren't interested in seeing /hearing anything that challenges your belief system,. Talk about welded shut closed minds ! Your accusation is utterly empty and worthless. An open mind is only good if it can actually wrap itself around something real and true. You berate those who with open minds see lies and untruth. You confuse lies with truth, and then bittch about so-called "closed minds". You're the type of audiophile that the confidence men live for... Don Hills 1 Hey MQA, if it is not all $voodoo$, show us the math! Link to comment
Don Hills Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 16 minutes ago, sandyk said: ... Talk about welded shut closed minds ! Whereas yours is like a steel trap? "People hear what they see." - Doris Day The forum would be a much better place if everyone were less convinced of how right they were. Link to comment
sandyk Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 10 minutes ago, crenca said: We don't want to be a part of, and have never truly been a part of the audio silliness that you would have us tolerate. Then what on earth are you doing in a forum with the name of Computer Audiophile ? What have you personally ever offered that may result in a further improvement in Computer Audio, which is the " raison d'être " for this forum, other than NEGATIVITY ? All that I am asking for is a little respect and civility to those whose views that you don't agree with, without insisting that they are shills or conmen or delusional. We have already seen one member banned for his unacceptable posts and threads in this area. As I have already made very clear, I don't feel the need for another format that I strongly believe can't possibly outperform well implemented high resolution LPCM. You will also see that in a couple of threads started by Mani that I am on record as preferring the original high res samples over the MQA versions. Teresa 1 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
sandyk Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 11 minutes ago, Confused said: Thankfully this is roughly the same odds as Lee agreeing to a non sighted test. Then why not ask him ? How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
Popular Post Ralf11 Posted December 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 8, 2018 Take a rest, Sandy. You need to regain some composure. For the record, I have never called Lee a conman - despite your incorrect assertion. He may be a "useful idiot" sensu Marxism. mansr, sullis02 and MikeyFresh 1 2 Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 10 minutes ago, Ralf11 said: Take a rest, Sandy. You need to regain some composure. +1 Sal1950 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post John_Atkinson Posted December 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2018 14 hours ago, sandyk said: We have already seen more than enough of this type of behaviour already with the nasty " cut down the tall poppies" attacks on the integrity of people like John Atkinson. ? 14 hours ago, sandyk said: ( No, I do not read his magazine!) ? John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile daverich4, kumakuma, HalSF and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment
asdf1000 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 9 minutes ago, John_Atkinson said: ? ? John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile Hilarious. While I'd prefer MQA go away, kudos to JA for sticking around this long - in the lion's den that is this thread. Link to comment
JoeWhip Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 12 minutes ago, Em2016 said: Hilarious. While I'd prefer MQA go away, kudos to JA for sticking around this long - in the lion's den that is this thread. +1. Also nice to see JA still retains some of that British sense of humor! asdf1000 1 Link to comment
lucretius Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 On 12/8/2018 at 1:58 PM, crenca said: What Teddy and Lee Scoggins do for a living is just use words in a technobabble way to obscure, not to actually explain. whether Lee Scoggins actually understands what "transducer" is or does is irrelevant - his whole participation in this thread, at the @The Computer AudiophileMQA seminar - indeed his whole "professional" participation in this hobby has this character of using words and not actually meaning anything at all. I too am not sure that Lee actually understands the technobabble. mQa is dead! Link to comment
kumakuma Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 25 minutes ago, lucretius said: I too am not sure that Lee actually understands the technobabble. Does anyone understand MQA's technobabble? Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
KeenObserver Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 49 minutes ago, kumakuma said: Does anyone understand MQA's technobabble? I think that the only person that could have understood MQA's technobabble is Professor Irwin Corey, The World's Foremost Authority. But, sadly, he has passed away. Perhaps Bob Stuart could take his place on the entertainment circuit. It would probably be more profitable than Meridian. Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
mansr Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 56 minutes ago, kumakuma said: Does anyone understand MQA's technobabble? Technobabble cannot, by definition, be understood. Confused 1 Link to comment
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