Popular Post Shadders Posted June 28, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Ralf11 said: I use computer audio - not clear what you mean by a "stand" Audiophile Neuroscience and mansr 1 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Teresa Posted June 28, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 28, 2018 On 6/26/2018 at 10:25 PM, Ralf11 said: I'm not on Tidal - it's CD or nothing. In my case it's SACD and Blu-ray or nothing. I don't purchase high resolution downloads anymore after deleting many I didn't or no longer liked at a 100% loss. With SACD and Blu-ray discs I can sell or trade in discs I no longer want. I don't stream either and won't be trying it because the free Wi-Fi my apartment complex offers slows down or throws me off the internet if I use too much data, such as downloading too many high resolution music files or watching too many YouTube videos in a short time. So the cost is too great as I would not only have to pay a monthly fee for the streaming service but also switch to a paid internet service with unlimited data. With new and used SACDs costing as little as $5 each but sometimes as much as $25 each (my average for SACDs is $13.77) and with used Blu-rays costing as little as $3 each it's hard to get excited about expensive high resolution downloads or streaming. 1 hour ago, Ralf11 said: I use computer audio... And I believe you use computer audio in the most cost effective way. Since used CDs can be had for as little as $1 each locally in my town, hopefully in yours as well, I see no sense in paying $10 or more for a 16/44.1kHz download. And I've noticed on Amazon that directly from Amazon (not marketplace sellers) that the brand new CD and sometimes even the SACD version is priced less than the MP3 version and often this cheaper CD version includes a free MP3 download. Also by owning the physical disc you have an additional backup. So, to me, it seems smarter to pay less for the CD and losslessly rip it to your computer than paying more for the download. mjb, darkmass and MetalNuts 2 1 I have dementia. I save all my posts in a text file I call Forums. I do a search in that file to find out what I said or did in the past. I still love music. Teresa Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Yup, tho I usually have to pay $5 or more for them. I'd be glad to download good HiRes of things I really like (say Coltrane) and that would benefit from that tmt. But, some of my interests aren't available on CD or HiRes or any digital AFAIK* and others may not need HiRes (Bessie Smith). * e.g. Willis Alan Ramsey Teresa 1 Link to comment
Summit Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 12 hours ago, Ralf11 said: I use computer audio - not clear what you mean by a "stand" Okay let me clarify it for you. Stand - to have a particular opinion about something. To say that “it’s CD or nothing” is a clear stand in my book. CD is a digital optical disc data storage format that was developed by Philips and Sony. So you play only compact discs and from a computer and then send it to your Blu ray player? Link to comment
Popular Post Summit Posted June 29, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 29, 2018 10 hours ago, Teresa said: In my case it's SACD and Blu-ray or nothing. I don't purchase high resolution downloads anymore after deleting many I didn't or no longer liked at a 100% loss. With SACD and Blu-ray discs I can sell or trade in discs I no longer want. I don't stream either and won't be trying it because the free Wi-Fi my apartment complex offers slows down or throws me off the internet if I use too much data, such as downloading too many high resolution music files or watching too many YouTube videos in a short time. So the cost is too great as I would not only have to pay a monthly fee for the streaming service but also switch to a paid internet service with unlimited data. With new and used SACDs costing as little as $5 each but sometimes as much as $25 each (my average for SACDs is $13.77) and with used Blu-rays costing as little as $3 each it's hard to get excited about expensive high resolution downloads or streaming. And I believe you use computer audio in the most cost effective way. Since used CDs can be had for as little as $1 each locally in my town, hopefully in yours as well, I see no sense in paying $10 or more for a 16/44.1kHz download. And I've noticed on Amazon that directly from Amazon (not marketplace sellers) that the brand new CD and sometimes even the SACD version is priced less than the MP3 version and often this cheaper CD version includes a free MP3 download. Also by owning the physical disc you have an additional backup. So, to me, it seems smarter to pay less for the CD and losslessly rip it to your computer than paying more for the download. CD, SACD and Blu-ray players are not computer audio. I believe that then you buy a CD, SACD or Blu-ray and rip them to a computer that’s computer audio, but it’s not digital optical disc or nothing anymore, if you play from a hard drive in a computer or computer based server. https://www.dagogo.com/an-interview-with-chris-connaker-of-computeraudiophile-com/ Audiophile Neuroscience and Teresa 1 1 Link to comment
psjug Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 2 hours ago, Summit said: CD, SACD and Blu-ray players are not computer audio. I believe that then you buy a CD, SACD or Blu-ray and rip them to a computer that’s computer audio, but it’s not digital optical disc or nothing anymore, if you play from a hard drive in a computer or computer based server. https://www.dagogo.com/an-interview-with-chris-connaker-of-computeraudiophile-com/ I thought that is what they said they were doing - buying discs and ripping them. Anyway isn't audio in general OK to discuss here? Teresa 1 Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 yes, and of course stumpit is just being difficult for some reason - and hasn't read the posts above his either Link to comment
Sal1950 Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 16 hours ago, Summit said: CD, SACD and Blu-ray players are not computer audio. I believe that then you buy a CD, SACD or Blu-ray and rip them to a computer that’s computer audio, but it’s not digital optical disc or nothing anymore, if you play from a hard drive in a computer or computer based server. https://www.dagogo.com/an-interview-with-chris-connaker-of-computeraudiophile-com/ It's all computer audio unless your spinning vinyl. CD's use a DAC to extract the sound from the digital stream and a DAC is a mini computer. Don't know about all this talk of "It's XXXX or nothing", why? I'll take my music any way I can get it from AM radio to 24/192 24 channel surround in ATMOS or Auro 3D. Gave up my vinyl for the convenience rips but miss spinning a 78 now and then. "The gullibility of audiophiles is what astonishes me the most, even after all these years. How is it possible, how did it ever happen, that they trust fairy-tale purveyors and mystic gurus more than reliable sources of scientific information?" Peter Aczel - The Audio Critic R.I.P. MQA 2014-2023: Hyped product thanks to uneducated, uncritical advocates & captured press. Link to comment
Popular Post Teresa Posted June 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2018 18 hours ago, Summit said: CD, SACD and Blu-ray players are not computer audio. I believe that then you buy a CD, SACD or Blu-ray and rip them to a computer that’s computer audio, but it’s not digital optical disc or nothing anymore, if you play from a hard drive in a computer or computer based server. https://www.dagogo.com/an-interview-with-chris-connaker-of-computeraudiophile-com/ I agree with you. Just to clarify, I listen to both physical discs and music files from my computer's hard drive. It's just after losing lots of money purchasing and deleting high resolution downloads I either didn't like or quite liking at a 100% loss, I quit buying downloads and only purchase physical formats, mostly SACD. With SACD I can sell it or trade it in if I no longer want it, plus in most cases SACDs are less expensive than high resolution downloads. Also just because I quit buying high-resolution downloads does not mean I quit playing the ones I love. I see no problem with playing SACD and Blu-ray discs and listening to music from my computer, I have many inputs on my preamp. While Ralf11 does play the rips of his CDs, I currently play my actual SACDs. So when I said "In my case it's SACD and Blu-ray or nothing" I mean current and future purchases. According to my database I currently have 38 hours 4 minutes of DSD and 24-bit PCM downloads, and 200 hours 38 minutes of audio-only physical formats, mostly SACD. IMHO it's OK to like both. Hope this clarify things. MetalNuts and Summit 1 1 I have dementia. I save all my posts in a text file I call Forums. I do a search in that file to find out what I said or did in the past. I still love music. Teresa Link to comment
firedog Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 6 hours ago, Sal1950 said: It's all computer audio unless your spinning vinyl. CD's use a DAC to extract the sound from the digital stream and a DAC is a mini computer. Yes, obviously, but that misses the whole point. The point is that when we were all playing spinning metal/plastic discs there was no site devoted to "computer audio" and the concept wasn't even a term. The idea of "computer audio" came about when people started to give up disc playing and use computing devices for playback of digital files, not discs. In terms of use and setup there is certainly a difference between the two. For most people, using a CD player was exactly like using any other analog audio component: plug it into the analog RCA inputs on your amp/receiver and press play. No knowledge involved. Computer audio changed that parameter and required some setup knowledge (even something as trivial as how to rip a disc and tag it, which was/is beyond what many people know). Only recently has CA gotten to the point where it is near plug and play for most users, and that exists only if you spend a little money on HW that isn't the most basic. Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
Summit Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 14 hours ago, Ralf11 said: yes, and of course stumpit is just being difficult for some reason - and hasn't read the posts above his either I have read your posts and they contradict each other. If you can’t see that I can’t help you. Link to comment
Summit Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 5 hours ago, Teresa said: I agree with you. Just to clarify, I listen to both physical discs and music files from my computer's hard drive. It's just after losing lots of money purchasing and deleting high resolution downloads I either didn't like or quite liking at a 100% loss, I quit buying downloads and only purchase physical formats, mostly SACD. With SACD I can sell it or trade it in if I no longer want it, plus in most cases SACDs are less expensive than high resolution downloads. Also just because I quit buying high-resolution downloads does not mean I quit playing the ones I love. I see no problem with playing SACD and Blu-ray discs and listening to music from my computer, I have many inputs on my preamp. While Ralf11 does play the rips of his CDs, I currently play my actual SACDs. So when I said "In my case it's SACD and Blu-ray or nothing" I mean current and future purchases. According to my database I currently have 38 hours 4 minutes of DSD and 24-bit PCM downloads, and 200 hours 38 minutes of audio-only physical formats, mostly SACD. IMHO it's OK to like both. Hope this clarify things. No problem Theresa I got it. Like you I just wanted to clarify what I meant, but maybe not in a way that make sense to others ?, it seems. I also buy most of my records on discs because they often cost less and for backup. To buy used or stream is the best and is something I think we all should do more. Hopefully theories from Circular economy get in to practice soon. Teresa 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Summit Posted June 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2018 8 hours ago, Sal1950 said: It's all computer audio unless your spinning vinyl. CD's use a DAC to extract the sound from the digital stream and a DAC is a mini computer. Don't know about all this talk of "It's XXXX or nothing", why? I'll take my music any way I can get it from AM radio to 24/192 24 channel surround in ATMOS or Auro 3D. Gave up my vinyl for the convenience rips but miss spinning a 78 now and then. Spinning compact discs is not computer audio in the way that computer audio is used or classified. Some servers fall in to the grey area, but not a CD player or a DAC. Most electronics have some form of microprocessor that can be called a computer, but that is not what is commonly meant then you say computer. If you walk in in a store and ask for a computer you wouldn’t be advised to go to the section with clocks or refrigerator even if they may have some simple form of computer in it. The Computer Audiophile and Teresa 2 Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 if you ask an engineer which products have computers in them, you will get a list that includes cars, CD players, clocks and fridges "If you can't see that I can't help you" and BTW, I use a computer to play back and store ripped CD's - SACDs are not yet on there but back to MQA... Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Computer Audio is about so much more than what’s inside the device outputting sound. Now back to MQA. asdf1000 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Sal1950 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 On 6/30/2018 at 3:33 PM, The Computer Audiophile said: Now back to MQA. Come on Chris, Must we? The Computer Audiophile 1 "The gullibility of audiophiles is what astonishes me the most, even after all these years. How is it possible, how did it ever happen, that they trust fairy-tale purveyors and mystic gurus more than reliable sources of scientific information?" Peter Aczel - The Audio Critic R.I.P. MQA 2014-2023: Hyped product thanks to uneducated, uncritical advocates & captured press. Link to comment
HalSF Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 The problem is, there’s no MQA news to talk about, protest, extoll, get exercised about, or vilify. Indydan 1 Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 23 minutes ago, HalSF said: The problem is, there’s no MQA news to talk about, protest, extoll, get exercised about, or vilify. What you didn’t see this? HalSF 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
asdf1000 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 On 6/26/2018 at 2:30 AM, Rt66indierock said: You will see efforts toward getting young people involved when MQA Ltd is liquidated. They are in the planning stages and have been for about a year. When you say 'young people' I assume you mean working young adults - because school kids will never pay for music or they'll be part of a family plan like Apple, Spotify etc have offered for a while now. So, are people here not aware that young people have been well and truely involved already? Is the growth of 10's of millions these last years just old people? What 'planning stages' is anyone waiting for exactly? The streaming numbers continue to climb up... young people aren't waiting for planning stages to kick in. They are well and truely in it. Some (older?) people here seem to think streaming is the future. It looks like they've missed what's been happening these last few years. Link to comment
FredericV Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 22 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said: What you didn’t see this? He claims MQA files are prepped to remove time smearing, and even without a decoder you will benefit from the correction: Does he has actual evidence that this is the case? He also claims DAC specific tuning, but so far @mansrhas proven this is not the case. Designer of the 432 EVO music server and Linux specialist Discoverer of the independent open source sox based mqa playback method with optional one cycle postringing. Link to comment
Popular Post FredericV Posted July 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2018 We should sponsor a mirror and send it to Hans. So we, the minority, were poorly informed? So articles like these are based on the fact the we, the minority, are poorly informed? Furthermore in the youtube comment section, he makes the absurd claim that "in general open source is great for professionals, less for consumers. ". At the same time he is making video's how to run open source distributions on raspberry pi and NUC's. Does he understand all android phones exists thx to open source? He shows a very poor understanding of how software licenses and how open source works. What big step? The Computer Audiophile, MikeyFresh and Indydan 2 1 Designer of the 432 EVO music server and Linux specialist Discoverer of the independent open source sox based mqa playback method with optional one cycle postringing. Link to comment
Sal1950 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 23 hours ago, HalSF said: The problem is, there’s no MQA news to talk about, protest, extoll, get exercised about, or vilify. I'm not so sure about that. But in any case the topic can't be allowed to go silent, the googling public must have a place to read that all is not roses with MQA. It is a reinvented DRM plan to eventually lock down the distribution of all lossless music files, whether redbook or high rez, and replace it with some facsimile of a lossy system. The system will make money for everyone and thrill the labels by taking back full control of lossless music access. Only the consumer is the one getting screwed. ? "The gullibility of audiophiles is what astonishes me the most, even after all these years. How is it possible, how did it ever happen, that they trust fairy-tale purveyors and mystic gurus more than reliable sources of scientific information?" Peter Aczel - The Audio Critic R.I.P. MQA 2014-2023: Hyped product thanks to uneducated, uncritical advocates & captured press. Link to comment
Jud Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 8 minutes ago, Sal1950 said: The system will make money for everyone If it makes money for everyone like it has been, we won't have anything to worry about. The Computer Audiophile 1 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted July 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2018 38 minutes ago, FredericV said: We should sponsor a mirror and send it to Hans. So we, the minority, were poorly informed? So articles like these are based on the fact the we, the minority, are poorly informed? Furthermore in the youtube comment section, he makes the absurd claim that "in general open source is great for professionals, less for consumers. ". At the same time he is making video's how to run open source distributions on raspberry pi and NUC's. Does he understand all android phones exists thx to open source? He shows a very poor understanding of how software licenses and how open source works. What big step? Poorly informed! Ha! There is an open invitation to anyone to write an article refuting the MQA evidence offered in @Archimago article. I will happily pay for it and publish on the front page. The only caveat is that it must hold up to scrutiny by the CA Community. I have a feeling I’ll only hear crickets while I wait for someone to refute the facts published here. MikeyFresh, mansr and asdf1000 2 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
MetalNuts Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 It is all BS. From what have been discussed so far, there is nothing technically proves MQA will improve the sound. If one still believes the magic in it, I suggest to propose to BS to licensed MQA stickers to the MQA believers to stick it to their equipment and their equipment will unfold what is not in the files, CD and the more you pay, the stronger magic it has in the sticker.? MetalNuts Link to comment
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