MQA is Vaporware

[synn]

2 minutes ago, Brian Lucey said:

 

MIC not mike, there are no Mikes in a recording you arrogant fool.

 

 

You seem even to be unraveling a lot faster this time around. Over under on the next forum goodbye, anyone?

 

in between your busy record making time, maybe you could try learning English the Queen’s way before calling others names

 

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/mike

 

see, now that is what one would call “Ignorance “.

[synn]

16 minutes ago, Em2016 said:

 

"5.1 SURROUND + STEREO produced in DXD (Digital eXtreme Definition 352kHz/24bit) by Lindberg Lyd, Norway "

 

Does this mean it was recorded in 24bit/352kHz? A fair assumption? Please excuse my ignorance.

 

 

 

Yes, that would be correct.

[firedog]

13 minutes ago, Em2016 said:

 

"5.1 SURROUND + STEREO produced in DXD (Digital eXtreme Definition 352kHz/24bit) by Lindberg Lyd, Norway "

 

Does this mean it was recorded in 24bit/352kHz? A fair assumption? Please excuse my ignorance.

 

I did a search for "2L quiet winter night"- got me right to the album page on the 2L site.

Here's what is says (emaphais mine):

 

Quote

 

Release date

September 20, 2012

Recording date

August 2011

Location

Sofienberg Church, Norway

Original source

DXD (352.8kHz/24bit)

 

AFAIK, that's typical for 2L. They record mostly classical/western art music/jazz in smallish ensembles and at DXD resolution. My understanding is they also master it that way, before packaging other formats of PCM and DSD for distribution. Again, my understanding is that if you buy the DXD version of their recordings, you are getting the master. 

[asdf1000]

47 minutes ago, synn said:

 

 

Yes, that would be correct.

 

Interesting, it's available in 352k MQA as well on Tidal. But Audirvana only plays it at 88k for me (first unfold only), to my Hugo2 non-MQA DAC.

 

What are your thoughts on the MQA version?

 

Since it's at 352k, is it a fair assumption that the the same DXD version that can be purchased, was used to make the MQA version? Seems like a reasonable assumption but hard to know I guess unless 2L is asked.

 

Needs an MQA DAC that unfolds up to 352k at least, for a proper comparison I guess?

 

[esldude]

1 hour ago, Brian Lucey said:

 

My take on MQA has nothing to do with musical or production style, it's about the codec, the marketing, the lies, and the desire to dominate.

 

What is cookie cutter?  What is not ?

 

All recordings are cared for by those who create and love them, each is someone's baby ... and all are products, judged by the market and critics, etc.  So what's the distinction here?  

 

The music you think is important vs. that which you don't?  A certain DR?  The lack of creative distortion vs. dense and processed productions?

 

I don't see a distinction in any objective way.  What am I missing oh wise consumers of music?

Seems your too busy, and too dismissive to pay attention. 

 

Cookie cutter wasn't even the point. The point is you are being an arrogant ass to people who would prefer you not be.  But you just won't have it any other way.  You seem intent on making your idea of 'audiophile' some nincompoop you can dismiss and dazzle with your brilliance.  What not drop the bullshit and have a conversation instead of a tone deaf monologue?

 

Since the topic is MQA, why not address that.  Or answer a simple question: whom do you hold in lower regard, MQA purveyors or audiophiles? At least the answer to that is marginally on topic.  If its audiophile's then fine, we'll know to dismiss you.  Your twaddle isn't worth hearing.  If it is MQA, then some of us have some common ground, or is that too difficult for you to accept? Go meditate and calm your mind enough to get on topic.  

[synn]

9 minutes ago, Em2016 said:

 

Interesting, it's available in 352k MQA as well on Tidal. But Audirvana only plays it at 88k for me (first unfold only), to my Hugo2 non-MQA DAC.

 

What are your thoughts with the MQA version?

 

To be fair, I don’t yet have any MQA capable hardware or software at my disposal. I tried a demo of Amarra and it was crashing every 10 seconds, so I gave up on that.

 

my initial feeling, which I may reconsider now is that the MQA Version(non unfolded) sounded a bit reverbey and the 192khz version sounded better.

 

next week, I will be getting a DAP which does MQA, PCM and DSD, after which I will be able to evaluate things more evenly.

[Brian Lucey]

11 minutes ago, esldude said:

Cookie cutter wasn't even the point.

 

 

It's a dismissive term with no definition, so I asked for a clarification.   Seems like a normal thing to me.

6 minutes ago, synn said:

To be fair, I don’t yet have any MQA capable hardware or software at my disposal. I tried a demo of Amarra and it was crashing every 10 seconds, so I gave up on that.

 

my initial feeling, which I may reconsider now is that the MQA Version(non unfolded) sounded a bit reverbey and the 192khz version sounded better.

"Reverbey" from the harmonic distortion is very possible, yes.

 

6 minutes ago, synn said:

 

next week, I will be getting a DAP which does MQA, PCM and DSD, after which I will be able to evaluate things more evenly.

 

Great!   Be sure and get the source masters to compare to, nothing higher or lower in sample rate.

 

11 minutes ago, esldude said:

 

The point is you are being an arrogant ass to people who would prefer you not be. 

 

 

How so?   I'm telling the truth about how records are made, and standing up for all music in the face of some real elitism and snobbery.

 

Also defending artists, whose work is being altered by MQA for profit.  Sorry if that's hard to take.

 

11 minutes ago, esldude said:

 

But you just won't have it any other way.  You seem intent on making your idea of 'audiophile' some nincompoop you can dismiss and dazzle with your brilliance.  What not drop the bullshit and have a conversation instead of a tone deaf monologue?

 

I don't have one definition of Audiophile, each person is different.  Yet there are some trends.  Patterns are real.

 

11 minutes ago, esldude said:

Since the topic is MQA, why not address that. 

 

 

Have done so many times.  Am only on this forum as I was interviewed and that came on here for comments.

 

11 minutes ago, esldude said:

 

Or answer a simple question: whom do you hold in lower regard, MQA purveyors or audiophiles?

Such a defensive question.

 

Obviously MQA.   No respect.  Audiophiles love music.  That's a great thing.

 

11 minutes ago, esldude said:

At least the answer to that is marginally on topic.  If its audiophile's then fine, we'll know to dismiss you. 

 

Who is this "we".   You put forward the idea that Audiophiles are not one thing, then you use WE as part of an ad hominem?  INconsistent at best.

11 minutes ago, esldude said:

 

 

Your twaddle isn't worth hearing. 

 

And yet, you reply.

11 minutes ago, esldude said:

 

If it is MQA, then some of us have some common ground, or is that too difficult for you to accept? Go meditate and calm your mind enough to get on topic.  

 

Could not be more calm, I suggest you are projecting and need to calm your mind.

[Brian Lucey]

1 hour ago, synn said:

 

 

You seem even to be unraveling a lot faster this time around. Over under on the next forum goodbye, anyone?

 

in between your busy record making time, maybe you could try learning English the Queen’s way before calling others names

 

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/mike

 

see, now that is what one would call “Ignorance “.

 

No one who makes music uses that spelling, it's stupid.   Microphone.  Mic.  The end.

[Brian Lucey]

1 hour ago, synn said:

You see, this is exactly when I know you have lost the argument. Because every time you do, you pull out the busy famous professional card.

 

A busy professional who has a suspiciously large amount of free time to go foruming, by the way.

 

I post while I work, as a form of distraction.  Working now.  Printing a pass on in the background. It helps the focus to stay on principle with people who want to make things worse not better.

 

Very busy, 50 clients a month, I can't do more.

[synn]

7 minutes ago, Brian Lucey said:

 

No one who makes music uses that spelling, it's stupid.   Microphone.  Mic.  The end.

 

“There is no U in color” - Mastering engineer Brian Lucey.

 

England in uproar. The queen mobilizes troops. More at 11.

[Brian Lucey]

9 minutes ago, synn said:

 

“There is no U in color” - Mastering engineer Brian Lucey.

 

England in uproar. The queen mobilizes troops. More at 11.

 

I'm all for Colour, HERBs and Alu Min I Um

 

But we have to draw a line with Mike, he's not recording anything.

[esldude]

24 minutes ago, Brian Lucey said:

 

No one who makes music uses that spelling, it's stupid.   Microphone.  Mic.  The end.

Of course they do.  You are truly being ridiculous now.  

[esldude]

25 minutes ago, Brian Lucey said:

 

I post while I work, as a form of distraction.  Working now.  Printing a pass on in the background. It helps the focus to stay on principle with people who want to make things worse not better.

 

Very busy, 50 clients a month, I can't do more.

Some might mention quality over quantity.  Whores have a different idea.  One oriented toward servicing the most clients.  

[Brian Lucey]

1 minute ago, esldude said:

Some might mention quality over quantity.  Whores have a different idea.  

 

Really? 

 

1. He implied I was not busy, so quantity was appropriate.

 

2. Maybe you would talk yourself up?  I don't need to do so.

 

 

Try again to be insulting, you are not up for this.

[Brian Lucey]

No wonder there are no pros here.

 

Anyone else want to post something personal and have it be allowed by the moderator?

[Speed Racer]

19 minutes ago, Brian Lucey said:

No wonder there are no pros here.

 

Anyone else want to post something personal and have it be allowed by the moderator?

 

Hey, @Brian Lucey!

 

One thing you will notice here is that a certain subset of individuals think they talk for everyone and that they are special in some way. They can't handle the truth from someone that actually knows what the hell is talking about. They can't handle the brutal honesty that you provide. I find it refreshing! Keep up the good work both here and in the mixing room!!

[synn]

57 minutes ago, Brian Lucey said:

 

Really? 

 

1. He implied I was not busy, so quantity was appropriate.

 

2. Maybe you would talk yourself up?  I don't need to do so.

 

 

Try again to be insulting, you are not up for this.

 

He doesn’t need to.

you have given enough evidence that you operate the McDonalds drive thru equivalent of music mastering and are ill equipped to objectively take part in any discussions that revolve around high quality music production, the likes of which audiophiles have an affinity to.

 

If I ever wanted advice on how to batch normalize tracks and set volume to 11, you’ll be the first to be contacted.

[Brian Lucey]

3 minutes ago, synn said:

 

He doesn’t need to.

you have given enough evidence that you operate the McDonalds drive thru equivalent of music mastering and are ill equipped to objectively take part in any discussions that revolve around high quality music production, the likes of which audiophiles have an affinity to.

 

If I ever wanted advice on how to batch normalize tracks and set volume to 11, you’ll be the first to be contacted.

 

So rude.  I do the best work in the world according to many, and it's nothing you would understand.  Armchair nobody.

 

At the least have the balls to back up your insults with a definition.  What is "cookie cutter" music? 

[Brian Lucey]

44 minutes ago, Speed Racer said:

 

Hey, @Brian Lucey!

 

One thing you will notice here is that a certain subset of individuals think they talk for everyone and that they are special in some way. They can't handle the truth from someone that actually knows what the hell is talking about. They can't handle the brutal honesty that you provide. I find it refreshing! Keep up the good work both here and in the mixing room!!

 

Some very real sense of false authority in people who are consumers, first, second and third.

[synn]

By now you have called me an arrogant fool and an armchair asshole and yet you’re the one complaining that people are getting personal here. Oh Brian...

 

dont be too offended, I know people who think that a Big Mac is the best burger in the world. I don’t bother correcting them, maybe I should have done the same here too.

 

and cookie cutter music? The answer was in the original post itself. The stuff that you work on. That’s cookie cutter music.

 

now let me ask you a question, did you mean it when you bid goodbye to the forum a few days ago? Yes or no?

[synn]

3 minutes ago, Brian Lucey said:

 

Some very real sense of false authority in people who are consumers, first, second and third.

 

Hey Brian, who’s your favorite sports team?

 

are you devoid of opinions on how they perform? Or should I say, armchair opinions?

[semente]

11 hours ago, #Yoda# said:

 Maybe, I'm observing the HiRes download market for some years now. After a very sluggish start with facile first trials of the labels and several simple upsamples from redbook masters, the market gained momentum in 2015, maybe partially forced by the publicity of Neil Youngs Pono Kickstarter campaign. Gradually more and more new albums has been released in 24/88.2 or better resolutions.

Since MQA is available on Tidal and as download primarily at onkyomusic.com there is a significant change noticeable in the usual and average resolution in HiRes downloads. Today, the very most new albums, primarily in the top-selling Pop/Rock genre, but others as well, are released only in 24/44.1 or 24/48, the minimal requirements for HiRes music and not nearly in the real master quality. Simply a coincidence? 

 

How do you know whether or not 22/44.1 or 24/48 isn't THE real master quality for that particular file?

[mcgillroy]

Armchair Nobody will be my next nic.

[firedog]

4 hours ago, synn said:

 

 

You seem even to be unraveling a lot faster this time around. Over under on the next forum goodbye, anyone?

 

in between your busy record making time, maybe you could try learning English the Queen’s way before calling others names

 

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/mike

 

see, now that is what one would call “Ignorance “.

Not really. Did you not notice that even on the page you linked to it has "mic"" as an alternative spelling?

So  maybe you shouldn't rush to call others names......

[synn]

4 minutes ago, firedog said:

Not really. Did you not notice that even on the page you linked to it has "mic"" as an alternative spelling?

So  maybe you shouldn't rush to call others names......

 The difference is that i didn’t insist that my way was the only way.

 

much like the discussion on music quality.