Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted October 20, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, rando said: Since you are supporting the negative, MQA is not a tool for decreasing piracy, could you briefly explain what the above quote means to you? For the sake of simplicity let's focus on the US market only. I'm not supporting anything. I don't see how a more cumbersome format could decrease piracy. If the labels flipped the DRM bit, it would be the worst thing they could do with respect to piracy. It would shoot back up. Not to the previous levels because streaming is so easy now, but relatively speaking, MQA can't do anything to combat piracy. Plus, piracy is all but dead for the general public. MQA could help resurrect it. mansr, Tsarnik, MrMoM and 2 others 3 1 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
witchdoctor Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, crenca said: As he has already said - I think he is just spamming this thread. You see how the malcontents just attack anyone with a different opinion? This is why nobody wants to post what they like about MQA. Give it a rest, like I said it's $10 extra a month and if you don't want to spend don't, I am not trying to convince you otherwise. Link to comment
Popular Post Rugby Posted October 20, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2017 10 minutes ago, witchdoctor said: Do you rub 2 sticks together to start your stove too? Sorry, but multi-channel for music is about as dinosaur and super-niche as you can get. For video, sure. Not the same thing. Coming from the computer/console gaming generation, it is clear to me why studios want MQA; it is all about the ability to have exclusive content deals. We are used to buying different hardware to have access to different content. They just want to extend that to audio. LG (which has MQA in its phones) makes a deal with Beyonce that her new MQA album will only do the highest unfold on the LG phone, either as a permanent exclusive or a timed exclusive. The record company gets to charge LG for the exclusive, LG gets to use the exclusive to drive phone sales. That is how MQA is going to be used. Shadders and esldude 1 1 Link to comment
witchdoctor Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 16 minutes ago, Rugby said: Sorry, but multi-channel for music is about as dinosaur and super-niche as you can get. For video, sure. Not the same thing. Coming from the computer/console gaming generation, it is clear to me why studios want MQA; it is all about the ability to have exclusive content deals. We are used to buying different hardware to have access to different content. They just want to extend that to audio. LG (which has MQA in its phones) makes a deal with Beyonce that her new MQA album will only do the highest unfold on the LG phone, either as a permanent exclusive or a timed exclusive. The record company gets to charge LG for the exclusive, LG gets to use the exclusive to drive phone sales. That is how MQA is going to be used. Multi channei audio is NOT immersive FYI, common mistake NP. http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/What-s-Up-with-3D-Immersive-Sound.shtml Link to comment
rando Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 CC Thank you, it wasn't entirely clear to me what in a sea of causes and effects you were directing that comment at. In the last 10 minutes alone there have been (???) 25 posts all impacting the direction of conversation slightly. Small contextual clues fall off quickly in that type of environment and even turning back a page or two could miss it. The Computer Audiophile 1 Link to comment
Popular Post crenca Posted October 20, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2017 20 minutes ago, witchdoctor said: You see how the malcontents just attack anyone with a different opinion? This is why nobody wants to post what they like about MQA. Give it a rest, like I said it's $10 extra a month and if you don't want to spend don't, I am not trying to convince you otherwise. Sir Spam Alot, you have already said this several times today (and of course the day before that and the day before that)... Charles Hansen, Samuel T Cogley, MikeyFresh and 3 others 3 3 Hey MQA, if it is not all $voodoo$, show us the math! Link to comment
PeterSt Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 2 hours ago, PeterSt said: 2 hours ago, Jud said: It was the one on the upper left I heard the MQA version of and wasn’t pleased with. Yes Jud, clear. I will try it in a few hours and let you know what I think of it. Hi Jud, Well, I don't want to embarrass myself and most certainly not you, but I regard this in the league of "superb" or something like that. Of course here weights in that I don't think I ever played that album in my life, but this is typically what I am saying for somewhat longer by now : there actually isn't much what can disturb (me) about MQA. In comparison with the "genuine redbook" (whatever that might be) my opinion may change. Btw, this one is finally an example of an MQA master/album which is not "not much compressed". So it compresses more as all I see pass by, and possibly it is this what disturbs you (extra). I think it is fine and the (hard plucked) bass guitar excels in an extraordinary way. But then this may be always the case with The Cars. For others - and saying because I see the phenomenon pass by suddenly regularly in this thread - this is with an R2R DAC. (NOS/Filterless, my own filters applied in-software). Peter Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
Jud Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 12 minutes ago, PeterSt said: So it compresses more as all I see pass by, and possibly it is this what disturbs you Yep. Rt66indierock 1 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Popular Post christopher3393 Posted October 20, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2017 4 hours ago, witchdoctor said: Sorry, there are too many maniacs here. Did you see one guy was stalked by another member at his job!!! WOW!!! Yes, I appreciate that. It is a legitimate concern, although highly unlikely to occur, imo. My concern is that your posting is directly related to your professional interests and status. It is not simply a hobbyist perspective. You have a professional investment in what you advocate and a career that could be impacted by it.This raises some questions about your objectivity. So I think your transparency is in the best interests of this forum, and quite possibly in your own best interest as well. Perhaps you would consider disclosing something of your professional background, training, affiliations and interests without revealing the details. MrMoM, Samuel T Cogley, Jud and 3 others 4 1 1 Link to comment
witchdoctor Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 27 minutes ago, christopher3393 said: Yes, I appreciate that. It is a legitimate concern, although highly unlikely to occur, imo. My concern is that your posting is directly related to your professional interests and status. It is not simply a hobbyist perspective. You have a professional investment in what you advocate and a career that could be impacted by it.This raises some questions about your objectivity. So I think your transparency is in the best interests of this forum, and quite possibly in your own best interest as well. Perhaps you would consider disclosing something of your professional background, training, affiliations and interests without revealing the details. Sorry if I wanted to do that I would use a dating site, not CA. Hey Chris there is an idea for you, start a Tindr for audiophiles LOL. Link to comment
Jud Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Just now, witchdoctor said: Sorry if I wanted to do that I would use a dating site, not CA. If you wanted to be honest about any conflicts of interest? I’m guessing (and hoping) not, but I’m confused about what you’re saying here. One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Tony Lauck Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 On 10/19/2017 at 4:45 AM, Fokus said: Do these things ring a bell? square root Boltzmann T R bandwidth There is no theoretical limit imposed by this formula. That's because the value R can be made as low as desired. Of course there will be a practical limit, since there is another formula for required power, E^2/R, which will show that 10x as much power will have to be consumed by the DAC if it is to produce a 10 dB better S/N ratio. Whether these S/N ratios are relevant or not is a separate issue. If thermal noise is the concern, then most likely the differences will be washed out by the amplifier noise, which could be in the DAC output buffer, an outboard preamp, or an outboard power amp.) When designing an ADC the problem can be pushed off to the design of the microphone preamplifier. However, ultimately the source of power must come from the motion of air molecules and there will be a limited amount of power. Hence the tradeoff between large diaphragm microphones (lower noise, but uneven polar response) vs. small diaphragm microphones (higher noise, but more even polar response). Of course recording engineers can put the microphones closer to the source and get better S/N ratios, but there will be additional tradeoffs. Link to comment
wushuliu Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 2 hours ago, crenca said: As he has already said - I think he is just spamming this thread. He's had threads shut down elsewhere, so he's moved over to CA... Link to comment
witchdoctor Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 34 minutes ago, Jud said: If you wanted to be honest about any conflicts of interest? I’m guessing (and hoping) not, but I’m confused about what you’re saying here. I have no professional affiliation with MQA or Tidal. Link to comment
esldude Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 9 minutes ago, witchdoctor said: I have no professional affiliation with MQA or Tidal. You forgot to include immersive audio in your list of non-affiliations. And always keep in mind: Cognitive biases, like seeing optical illusions are a sign of a normally functioning brain. We all have them, it’s nothing to be ashamed about, but it is something that affects our objective evaluation of reality. Link to comment
witchdoctor Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Just now, esldude said: You forgot to include immersive audio in your list of non-affiliations. +1 Link to comment
Popular Post mcgillroy Posted October 20, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2017 Hey Witchdoctor, in the interest of a informed discussion plz compile a list with false claims made about MQA here on the thread. We'll take it from there. Don Hills, mansr, Charles Hansen and 3 others 4 1 1 Link to comment
witchdoctor Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 34 minutes ago, mcgillroy said: Hey Witchdoctor, in the interest of a informed discussion plz compile a list with false claims made about MQA here on the thread. We'll take it from there. Who is we? Link to comment
Jud Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 1 hour ago, witchdoctor said: +1 I’ll take that as a declaration of non-affiliation and trust you’d mention if that’s not correct. Onward... One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
witchdoctor Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Bob Ludwig, Ian Shepherd and Bob Stuart presenting on MQA at AES today: Link to comment
kumakuma Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 5 minutes ago, witchdoctor said: Bob Ludwig, Ian Shepherd and Bob Stuart presenting on MQA at AES today: So what did they have to say? Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
witchdoctor Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Just now, kumakuma said: So what did they have to say? That the witchdoctor rocks Seriously I'll see if I can post some more tomorrow. Link to comment
Popular Post mansr Posted October 20, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2017 26 minutes ago, kumakuma said: So what did they have to say? Whatever Bob Stuart told them to say. I've heard from people who ought to know that Bob Ludwig will say anything for money, and judging by Ian Shepherd's blog, shilling commercial products is part and parcel of what he does. MrMoM, Charles Hansen and Nikhil 2 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Archimago Posted October 20, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2017 6 minutes ago, mansr said: Whatever Bob Stuart told them to say. I've heard from people who ought to know that Bob Ludwig will say anything for money, and judging by Ian Shepherd's blog, shilling commercial products is part and parcel of what he does. Let's hope they at least put in some good tips on high quality audio production... And less on paradigms and seismic shifts! MrMoM and christopher3393 1 1 Archimago's Musings: A "more objective" take for the Rational Audiophile. Beyond mere fidelity, into immersion and realism. R.I.P. MQA 2014-2023: Hyped product thanks to uneducated, uncritical advocates & captured press. Link to comment
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