udis Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 I use AQ Vodka Ethernet Cables feeding the mRendu and the Sonic Transport. I use a Curious USB cable and I use Tellurium Q Black Diamond for all other cables and Tellurium Q Black power cords for back end components and Ultra Blue for source components. thank you for clarifying. my mR and sT should be arriving this week. trying to figure out if best to place sT in my network rack (outside of listening area) or near mR in listening area. My whole house is wired with cat6a. Link to comment
hornytoad Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 With a mac mini you can do Roon -> HQPlayer -> NAA -> microRendu. The processing power in the mini allows you do use HQPlayer's upsampling. I don't think you can do this with the transporter. Correct . Though I wonder with the higher processor models if they will implement HQ player so you don't have to use a separate computer I would think an I5 processor could do this but not the cheapest model . Sent from my iPhone using Computer Audiophile Link to comment
miguelito Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Not too sure about that. I installed a SSD drive in my Mac mini and it still gets quite hot with the fan going on turbo whenever the CPU gets busy, which happens quite often with Roon running. Probably a good fan control software could help? Does anyone have good recommendation for Mac fan control? I have a music mini (i7, 2012) with SSD and optimized processes (not running anything not required for music). I do not get any fan noise at all. The beauty of the microRendu is you can put your machine elsewhere so frankly not important whether it is silent or not. NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
miguelito Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Correct . Though I wonder with the higher processor models if they will implement HQ player so you don't have to use a separate computer Right. Also consider software like Spotify - I sometimes use it to play content not available in TIDAL. I don't know that the ST can run Spotify. NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
hornytoad Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Right. Also consider software like Spotify - I sometimes use it to play content not available in TIDAL. I don't know that the ST can run Spotify. You can download Squeezebox Server and use squeezelite on the microRendu to play Spotify , Etc . Lots of music services available Sent from my iPhone using Computer Audiophile Link to comment
miguelito Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 You can download Squeezebox Server and use squeezelite on the microRendu to play Spotify , Etc . Lots of music services available Ah right, yes. Wouldn't it be nice if one could route Spotify audio to HQPlayer for upsampling? http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f11-software/spotify-through-hqplayer-30526/ NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
jtwrace Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Can anyone definitively say that the i5 can do HQP up sampling? W10 NUC i7 (Gen 10) > Roon (Audiolense FIR) > Motu UltraLite mk5 > (4) Hypex NCore NC502MP > JBL M2 Master Reference +4 subs Watch my Podcast https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXMw_bZWBMtRWNJQfTJ38kA/videos Link to comment
miguelito Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 thank you for clarifying. my mR and sT should be arriving this week. trying to figure out if best to place sT in my network rack (outside of listening area) or near mR in listening area. My whole house is wired with cat6a. I'd say in your rack. NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
hornytoad Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Can anyone definitively say that the i5 can do HQP up sampling? No one knows as it is not an option right now Sent from my iPhone using Computer Audiophile Link to comment
udis Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 I'd say in your rack. seems to be the consensus. curious if it will be a fair comparison having it in rack while mac mini in listening room. Link to comment
miguelito Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 seems to be the consensus. curious if it will be a fair comparison having it in rack while mac mini in listening room.If you're comparing mini to mR using NAA vs sT to mR using NAA, then put the mini in the rack. To me the beauty of the mR is that you can put your streamer anywhere, and even have a noisy but powerful streamer and not care.To me the real question is HQPlayer upsampling. I would not go with any solution that doesn't allow it. NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
miguelito Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 If you're comparing mini to mR using NAA vs sT to mR using NAA, then put the mini in the rack. To me the beauty of the mR is that you can put your streamer anywhere, and even have a noisy but powerful streamer and not care.To me the real question is HQPlayer upsampling. I would not go with any solution that doesn't allow it. If you're putting this on a rack, what about something like:https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Aspire-E5-575G-53VG-Laptop-Windows/dp/B01F1Z78GM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1479145693&sr=8-3&keywords=windows%2B10%2Bnvidia&th=1 It has an Nvidia GPU which means you could use HQPlayer with Cuda offload if you want to upsample to, say, DSD256, which you can send to the mR over NAA if your DAC supports it. NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
udis Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 If you're putting this on a rack, what about something like:https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Aspire-E5-575G-53VG-Laptop-Windows/dp/B01F1Z78GM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1479145693&sr=8-3&keywords=windows%2B10%2Bnvidia&th=1 It has an Nvidia GPU which means you could use HQPlayer with Cuda offload if you want to upsample to, say, DSD256, which you can send to the mR over NAA if your DAC supports it. Interesting. My Bricasti doesn't support upsampling. I would like to test different setups for Bricasti, pick what sounds best... redo for Vega DAC with HQPlayer upsampling. Bricasti does all of the upsampling with great build in filters. Link to comment
miguelito Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Interesting. My Bricasti doesn't support upsampling. I would like to test different setups for Bricasti, pick what sounds best... redo for Vega DAC with HQPlayer upsampling. Bricasti does all of the upsampling with great build in filters. Your Bricasti supports up to DSD128, and 352KHz sample rates - this is quite ripe for upsampling with HQPlayer. You should definitely try it and decide for yourself. NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
jtwrace Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 From SGC: No HQplayer requires a desktop OS such as Microsoft Windows. It also requires a HUGE amount of processing power and memory. I have another unit I recommend for HQplayer. It has a quad core i7. https://www.smallgreencomputer.com/collections/custom-units/products/sonictransporter-roon-server-hqplayer You can do upsampling in Roon on the sonicTransporter AP. W10 NUC i7 (Gen 10) > Roon (Audiolense FIR) > Motu UltraLite mk5 > (4) Hypex NCore NC502MP > JBL M2 Master Reference +4 subs Watch my Podcast https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXMw_bZWBMtRWNJQfTJ38kA/videos Link to comment
miguelito Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 From SGC: No HQplayer requires a desktop OS such as Microsoft Windows. It also requires a HUGE amount of processing power and memory. I have another unit I recommend for HQplayer. It has a quad core i7. https://www.smallgreencomputer.com/collections/custom-units/products/sonictransporter-roon-server-hqplayer You can do upsampling in Roon on the sonicTransporter AP. The laptop I posted above can do all of this and more... And it has an Nvidia GPU which will allow HQPlayer to offload the upsampling to it (Cuda support is required for this). So in my opinion if you're going to go with a microRendu, you should not bother with these fanless solutions. NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
jtwrace Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 The laptop I posted above can do all of this and more... And it has an Nvidia GPU which will allow HQPlayer to offload the upsampling to it (Cuda support is required for this). So in my opinion if you're going to go with a microRendu, you should not bother with these fanless solutions. I'm not set on trying HQP as I did it once before and wasn't blown away. I have RoonServer running on my Synology now. However, I've been thinking about moving RoonServer to something else so thought the ST would be the way to go. I have a large workstation that I could run it on but that seems wasteful. W10 NUC i7 (Gen 10) > Roon (Audiolense FIR) > Motu UltraLite mk5 > (4) Hypex NCore NC502MP > JBL M2 Master Reference +4 subs Watch my Podcast https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXMw_bZWBMtRWNJQfTJ38kA/videos Link to comment
udis Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Your Bricasti supports up to DSD128, and 352KHz sample rates - this is quite ripe for upsampling with HQPlayer. You should definitely try it and decide for yourself. I will experiment and have a listen. I've been in communication with Brian from Bricasti and he doesn't think it's necessary. He wrote "never upsample, the M1 does this in the same way the HQ does, it over samples 8x and the converter is sigma delta 5 bits at 2.8mhz, no need to redo what the M1 already does, just more filters". Link to comment
miguelito Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 I will experiment and have a listen. I've been in communication with Brian from Bricasti and he doesn't think it's necessary. He wrote "never upsample, the M1 does this in the same way the HQ does, it over samples 8x and the converter is sigma delta 5 bits at 2.8mhz, no need to redo what the M1 already does, just more filters". Have a listen. Compare it to HQPlayer upsampling all streams to DSD128 using ASDM7. NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
jtwrace Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Thought I'd update my posts from yesterday. I moved RoonServer to my W10 machine. The below is while playing a native DSD256 file. Not bad as it's barely working. W10 NUC i7 (Gen 10) > Roon (Audiolense FIR) > Motu UltraLite mk5 > (4) Hypex NCore NC502MP > JBL M2 Master Reference +4 subs Watch my Podcast https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXMw_bZWBMtRWNJQfTJ38kA/videos Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 relatedly, what is the thing about higher bit rates on the 2014-on McMini? only for USB, or? Link to comment
miguelito Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Thought I'd update my posts from yesterday. I moved RoonServer to my W10 machine. The below is while playing a native DSD256 file. Not bad as it's barely working. [ATTACH=CONFIG]30756[/ATTACH] Cuda! NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
udis Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Have a listen. Compare it to HQPlayer upsampling all streams to DSD128 using ASDM7. mR arrives today.. definitely will. bit off topic, which app do you use to control HQPlayer? Link to comment
miguelito Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 mR arrives today.. definitely will. bit off topic, which app do you use to control HQPlayer? If you have Roon, then use that. If not, then you can use VNC to remote into your machine - this is a pain in the butt frankly and I would not use HQPlayer if I had to do this. NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
udis Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Have a listen. Compare it to HQPlayer upsampling all streams to DSD128 using ASDM7. Ok. got HQPlayer and Roon running.. do you mind sharing screenshot of your HQPlayer setting? Link to comment
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