wgscott Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 I recently purchased a Teac NT-503 and am really starting to enjoy its feature set. Instead of the analogue inputs that the UD-503 offers, this is all digital (which is fine for me) and allows for DLNA streaming via an ethernet connection. Teac has its own free DLNA iOS control app, which is ok I guess. Initially, I was frustrated by the apparent lack of OS X desktop control options (cf: http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f22-networking-networked-audio-and-streaming/there-any-os-x-universal-plug-dplay-control-point-software-doesnt-suck-28247/index2.html ). Since then, I've found the situation is a bit less bleak. Spotify With a subscription, Spotify's desktop OS X application allows you to DLNA stream and control spotify content, as well as (optionally) whatever happens to be on that computer's hard drive. You just select the device, and it works: PonoMusic World (and JRiver) The free PonoMusic World application also allows for similar remote control. It is based on the JRiver program, so I assume it will work as well (or better) with JRiver. It required setting a few non-intuitive preference options, but once completed, this works great, and in the case of the PonoMusic World player, is free. Again, it can play whatever is made available, not just pono offerings. Link to comment
BobSherman Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 I recently purchased a Teac NT-503 and am really starting to enjoy its feature set. Instead of the analogue inputs that the UD-503 offers, this is all digital (which is fine for me) and allows for DLNA streaming via an ethernet connection. Teac has its own free DLNA iOS control app, which is ok I guess. Initially, I was frustrated by the apparent lack of OS X desktop control options (cf: http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f22-networking-networked-audio-and-streaming/there-any-os-x-universal-plug-dplay-control-point-software-doesnt-suck-28247/index2.html ). Since then, I've found the situation is a bit less bleak. Spotify With a subscription, Spotify's desktop OS X application allows you to DLNA stream and control spotify content, as well as (optionally) whatever happens to be on that computer's hard drive. You just select the device, and it works: [ATTACH=CONFIG]27217[/ATTACH] PonoMusic World (and JRiver) The free PonoMusic World application also allows for similar remote control. It is based on the JRiver program, so I assume it will work as well (or better) with JRiver. It required setting a few non-intuitive preference options, but once completed, this works great, and in the case of the PonoMusic World player, is free. Again, it can play whatever is made available, not just pono offerings. [ATTACH=CONFIG]27220[/ATTACH] How is your system sounding since your upgrade? Link to comment
wgscott Posted June 26, 2016 Author Share Posted June 26, 2016 OK, but I need new and better speakers and an upgrade to some better amp modules. To be honest, I haven't had a chance to do any real critical listening. It definitely sounds "cleaner" if that makes any sense. Link to comment
Jud Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 OK, but I need new and better speakers and an upgrade to some better amp modules. To be honest, I haven't had a chance to do any real critical listening. It definitely sounds "cleaner" if that makes any sense. Cleaner, at least in my experience of hearing sound fitting that description, is very good. One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
BobSherman Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 OK, but I need new and better speakers and an upgrade to some better amp modules. To be honest, I haven't had a chance to do any real critical listening. It definitely sounds "cleaner" if that makes any sense. Makes perfect sense. It does look like a nice unit. Link to comment
wgscott Posted June 26, 2016 Author Share Posted June 26, 2016 Oh, yeah, it is really shouty. Link to comment
katylied Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 IMHO, this can be a good products but unfortunately the native app it's not acceptable. Several app issues precludes the enjoyment as a network player: 1) it's not possible to add a single song to the queque 2) it's not possible to add anything to the queque because the new item will delete the previous 3) it doesn't show the cover art (even if the artwork is embedded in the file as well as present in the album folder as folder.jpg) All the network player I tried so far can do all the above easily (Sonos, Linn, Marantz, Denon, Cyrus, Cambridge Audio). I have not had the time to check if can do gapless because I had to send back the demo unit but unfortunately this is another example of a potentially good products killed by a poor app. I am waiting for a reply from the Teac distributor about these issues but for now, this is a product that I will keep on standby Link to comment
cordobaman Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Looking for opinions. I'm wondering which would be more versatile...using an NT-503 or a UD-301 + Sonore microRendu for about the same price. I prefer to stream dsf files (and flac) from a PC on my network via ethernet connection, and must have gapless DSD playback. Also thinking of subscribing to Tidal, which I do not believe the TEAC supports? Maybe even Roon in my future? Thoughts? Link to comment
fredlobo Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 What settings did you use with JRiver? I have been struggling with my NT-503 and so far have gotten no sound at all! And I bought it to stream DSDs... Link to comment
beerandmusic Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 What settings did you use with JRiver? I have been struggling with my NT-503 and so far have gotten no sound at all! And I bought it to stream DSDs... All i play is dsd and have the nt503...just started streaming though... I now use minimserver and teac avr remote for android or on pc i use upplay 1.2.5 (they also have controller for smartphone). Link to comment
Cebolla Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 or on pc i use upplay 1.2.5 (they also have controller for smartphone).If you are referring to the similarly named UPnPlay Android controller app, it is not produced by the same developer of the Upplay Windows controller. There is a Linux version of Upplay, though. We are far more united and have far more in common with each other than things that divide us. -- Jo Cox Link to comment
jon2020 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 What settings did you use with JRiver? I have been struggling with my NT-503 and so far have gotten no sound at all! And I bought it to stream DSDs... For JRiver, to get DSD natively, go to Tools -> Options -> Settings -> Bitstreaming -> Yes -> DSD Jon Innuos Zen Mk 3, Shunyata alpha usb cable, Esoteric N-05 dac/network player, MBL N11 preamp, Bryston 28B SST2 monoblocks, Vienna Acoustics The Music speakers, Kimber Select 1126/1130 ic's, Kimber Select 6063 sc, Shunyata Triton, Shunyata/PS Audio pc's, Shunyata Dark Field Suspension System, Harmonix by Combak footers, Shun Mook Pendulum stand Industry Affiliation : None Link to comment
beerandmusic Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 For JRiver, to get DSD natively, go to Tools -> Options -> Settings -> Bitstreaming -> Yes -> DSD he said he was getting no sound, which that setting wouldn't fix, but would allow native dsd vs pcm. If he is getting no sound, it could be several things...is he selecting the TEAC ASIO driver ? Link to comment
jon2020 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 he said he was getting no sound, which that setting wouldn't fix, but would allow native dsd vs pcm. If he is getting no sound, it could be several things...is he selecting the TEAC ASIO driver ? Not sure if he did say he had tried that. Let"s wait to hear from him. Jon Innuos Zen Mk 3, Shunyata alpha usb cable, Esoteric N-05 dac/network player, MBL N11 preamp, Bryston 28B SST2 monoblocks, Vienna Acoustics The Music speakers, Kimber Select 1126/1130 ic's, Kimber Select 6063 sc, Shunyata Triton, Shunyata/PS Audio pc's, Shunyata Dark Field Suspension System, Harmonix by Combak footers, Shun Mook Pendulum stand Industry Affiliation : None Link to comment
fredlobo Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Fumbled around forever with JRiver and was never able to get DSD over DLNA. USB worked fine. Was also able to get DSDs running on A+ via USB; but found the UI to be problematic. So then I tried Roon. Was able to get DSD (up to 128) in DoP; but also only via USB. Sigh. Would much rather stream DSD (and PCM of course) to the NT-503. Anyone have success with that? I will admit that Roon sort of sucked me in with the meta-data. Link to comment
Popular Post Cebolla Posted June 8, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 8, 2017 Yes, unfortunately JRiver have rather neglected their UPnP/DLNA audio file streaming support and the documentation is rather poor, even confusing. It doesn't help that the documentation, the default settings and even the names chosen for the various options for UPnP/DLNA are all biased towards playing the audio files through JRiver Media Center's audio engine (including its DSP settings) and so engaging its transcoder to produce a either a headerless LPCM stream or a WAV file or an MP3 file. For example, its its "Generic DLNA" DLNA server's default settings transcodes all audio files to MP3 and its oddly named "Audiophile 24-bit DAC" DLNA server's default settings transcodes all audio files to 24-bit WAV, so including transcoding of DSD files to 'normal' PCM, ie, not DSD over PCM (DoP)! This is certainly the opposite to what you'd expect a UPnP/DLNA media server to be doing by default, where a decent UPnP/DLNA network audio file player, such as the NT-503, is typically used to play the audio files natively for itself, unaltered by the UPnP/DLNA media server that supplies them. Anyway, back to how to configure JRiver Media Center as a non-transcoding UPnP/DLNA media server, to supply audio files, including DSD, unaltered over the network to UPnP/DLNA audio file players/renderers/streamers. Assuming DLNA is already enabled, ie, the "Use Media Network to share this library and enable DLNA" option in Tools > Options > Media Network, make sure JMC's built-in UPnP/DLNA controller is enabled as well as its DLNA server(s), in Advanced: With the DLNA Controller enabled, the NT-503 and all other UPnP/DLNA streamers on the network should appear as a selectable player under "Playing Now". Choose one of JMC's existing DLNA Servers, eg "Audiophile 24-bit DAC", via Tools > Options > Media Network > Add or configure DLNA Servers. To avoid any transcoding make sure the DLNA Server's Audio Mode is set to "Original": Any setting in Audio Format (the transcode to headerless LPCM or WAV or MP3 setting) is then ignored as it's irrelevant. Also make sure the 'special' DoP transcoder, the cryptically named "Bitstream DSD (requires DoPE compliant renderer)" option under Advanced is not set, otherwise the DSD files will be transcoded to DoP contained in a WAV file and therefore not be streamed in their native format: Finally, if you have added more than one DLNA Server in JRiver Media Center, make sure the correct one is associated with the NT-503, by right clicking it under "Playing Now" and selecing the "Associate with DLNA Server" menu item: jcn3 and wgscott 2 We are far more united and have far more in common with each other than things that divide us. -- Jo Cox Link to comment
jcn3 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 @Cebolla -- fabulous post! thanks for taking the time to share. (1) holo audio red (hqp naa) > chord dave > luxman cl-38uc/mq-88uc > kef reference 1 (2) simaudio moon mind 2 > chord qutest > luxman sq-n150 > monitor audio gold gx100 Link to comment
Miska Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 On 6/25/2016 at 7:22 PM, wgscott said: Spotify With a subscription, Spotify's desktop OS X application allows you to DLNA stream and control spotify content, as well as (optionally) whatever happens to be on that computer's hard drive. You just select the device, and it works: NT-503 has Spotify Connect feature, so you don't need UPnP/DLNA for that. It works straight from all desktop and mobile Spotify applications (Win/Mac/iOS/Android). It also has AirPlay endpoint, so that can be used too. In addition I've connected Google's Chromecast Audio dongle over optical cable to NT-503, so that works too (Tidal app, etc). plissken 1 Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
Le Concombre Masqué Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 hello, can it be used as a NAA and/or be directly connected via ethernet with HQP desktop ? how does it sound compared to the 501? Link to comment
Popular Post Miska Posted June 12, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2017 21 minutes ago, Le Concombre Masqué said: hello, can it be used as a NAA and/or be directly connected via ethernet with HQP desktop ? No... 22 minutes ago, Le Concombre Masqué said: how does it sound compared to the 501? Maybe a bit better, having direct DSD256 mode. But I have not really tried to compare it... Le Concombre Masqué and wgscott 2 Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
Anastasia Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 Hello, I kindly ask some advise on the configuration posted by @Cebolla. Unfortunately I'm a total newbie and even worse - have no interest in quality sound, and stuck with configuring combo of Jriver, Melco and Teac NT 503 only on behalf of my dad who has asked for help. I did configure jriver exactly as it was suggested by @Cebolla and now through jriver I can start playback and sound is produced through Teac NT 503 and Melco is a source. Thanks a lot for describing your config, it was a life saver for someone like me. Unfortunately one problem that was found is that the sound cannot be controlled through jriver: i did experiment with Internal, System and Application volume in jriver settings - the result is the same: whenever sound is altered in Jriver, on Teac it goes straight to zero, even though in jriver interface it can show any percentage. Another problem - when I attempt to scroll a song to another position I get an error about controlling dlna device. Is it a limitation of Teac DLNA implementation? Or is it that I missed something in configuration/settings? If anybody could shed some light I would really appreciate, any hints are valuable. Link to comment
wgscott Posted August 4, 2017 Author Share Posted August 4, 2017 What I can tell you is that the Teac NT-503 has a lot of deviations from standard DLNA that make it difficult to work with. I've pretty much given up hope on getting it to work with any desktop software via the network connection. On the iOS devices, apart from its own (crappy) control software, Glider and mconnect (lite) works. Link to comment
wgscott Posted August 4, 2017 Author Share Posted August 4, 2017 On 6/8/2017 at 1:58 PM, Miska said: It also has AirPlay endpoint, so that can be used too. Mine doesn't (unless I missed something big). Link to comment
Anastasia Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 @wgscott - that is what I feared. I will try my luck on iOS then, thank you for your app suggestion! Link to comment
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