squirrelman Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 I just received my Lampizator Euforia dac, which is their DSD only DAC. I've been trying to get it up and working on Windows 10 with Roon. So far I have been able to get it to play actual DSD files, but I can't get it to anything with redbook files that it would need to upconvert. I'm trying to set it to play everything at DSD128, but can't seem to make heads or tails out of the short little guide from their website. I'm on the trial right now if that matters, I wont buy it til I've got it working. Can anyone point me to a better guide I might be missing or please let me know what I need to be setting it at to get this working right? Link to comment
bibo01 Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 On your main HQPlayer desktop view please set drop dowm menus to: poly-sinc-short (or poly-sinc-short-mp) DSD7 5644800 SDM In Settings set buffer time to 50ms or more; if you have a quad core cpu, enable Pipeline SDM. How curious are you? Link to comment
One and a half Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 A choice would be to install HQPlayer feed the stream from Roon. For settings in Roon, select the output device as HQPlayer. When you're ready to play a track, see the Auto drop downs under the command lines? Check off the auto and select as per bibo01's suggestions. Depending on your DAC, you could have to map your ASIO channels. If a drag n drop of music files into the main playing area on the screen fails to work if HQPlayer standalone is used, then the DAC's not setup right. AS Profile Equipment List Say NO to MQA Link to comment
squirrelman Posted May 21, 2016 Author Share Posted May 21, 2016 On your main HQPlayer desktop view please set drop dowm menus to:poly-sinc-short (or poly-sinc-short-mp) DSD7 5644800 SDM In Settings set buffer time to 50ms or more; if you have a quad core cpu, enable Pipeline SDM. Thank you so much that did the trick finally! I was setting them only in the settings menu but no in the drop down menus on the screen. What is the difference between poly-since-short and poly-since-short-mp? Link to comment
Nikhil Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 What is the difference between poly-since-short and poly-since-short-mp? They are both variants of the poly-sinc filter. poly-sinc-mp is for minimum phase. poly-sinc-shrt is for short pre and post echo poly-sinc-shrt-mp is the minimum phase variation of poly-sinc-shrt In general you get the best transient response with -mp option. Jussi recommends -mp (minimum phase) filters for studio productions of non-classical music. Use the linear phase filters (poly-sinc) for classical and acoustic recordings. Read this page on filters if you would like/need to understand the terminology. Custom Win10 Server | Mutec MC-3+ USB | Lampizator Amber | Job INT | ATC SCM20PSL + JL Audio E-Sub e110 Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 What is the difference between poly-since-short and poly-since-short-mp? You may want to listen filters for a certain time one by one to select which you would prefer for various types of music (I use poly-sinc family). Also try to find out which modulator suits better to you, DSD7 or ASDM7. Ideally, you may start with selecting preference filters and then listen each of them with various modulators. More for later (and this is something what Miska, developer of HQP declines to admit). I realized, that PCM settings (left column in settings), such as dither influence the sound of SDM output as well, I set for NS9, for example. Sounds complicated, I know, but this is an advantage of HQP - it gives a lot of choose from and fine tune the sound outcome to personal preferences. And, from File settings you may select DSDIFF/DFF settings and check Direct SDM - it will bypass digital volume control in HQP for direct output. Link to comment
jacquesr Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Hello guys.... Another newbie... Just started migrating from iTunes + Marra to Roon + HQ. A mRendu is on order. I read so much.... it all seemed so daunting... In fact, in 20 mins I was up and running. HQ seems to sound WAY more natural than Amarra. Plus, ans this was not obvious, but HQP seems to make it easy to "Set-up and forget". Questions: 1) I have red book and hi-res PCM files. With the default setup (n preferences), all my files were played at 96K. I have increased the sample rate to 192,000 - now everything plays at 192.... Is this recommended? Is there a way for each track to play at its sample rate? 2) I listen mainly to acoustic / classical music. Any better options than poly-sinc / TPDF? 3) DSD Would like to try PCM->DSD I use for now a Chord Mojo that does 256K. I dont see where I can ask HQP to convert PCM to DSD In the second drop down I see no DSD option. Thanks for your help Mac Mini Late 2014 (16G/SSD) w Uptone JS-2 w OWC Thunderbay 4 Mini RAID (JS-2) / Roon Aqua LinQ w EtherCon cable (Ghent) w Uptone EtherRegen w Uptone JS-2 Aqua Formula xHD w Ocellia RCA Interconnect & Shunyata Delta NR Kora TB 200 Integrated Amplifier w Audio Art Power Cable Magico V2 w Ocellia speaker cables w Shunyata Dark Field Elevator & JL Audio E-Sub e110 X 2 All equipment, including subwoofer on Modulum platforms (modulumaudio.com) Link to comment
orgel Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 The best thing to do would be to post a screen shot of your HQP settings. Meanwhile, though, a couple of tips if you want to upsample everything to DSD: In File -> DSDIFF/DSF settings, make sure DirectSDM is unchecked. In HQP's main window, the rightmost dropdown should be set to SDM. I would start testing DSD upsampling with the bit-rate limit in the settings set to 2822400 (DSD64) and move up from there. --David Listening Room: Mac mini (Roon Core) > iMac (HQP) > exaSound PlayPoint (as NAA) > exaSound e32 > W4S STP-SE > Benchmark AHB2 > Wilson Sophia Series 2 (Details) Office: Mac Pro > AudioQuest DragonFly Red > JBL LSR305 Mobile: iPhone 6S > AudioQuest DragonFly Black > JH Audio JH5 Link to comment
Nikhil Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Welcome to HQPlayer and Computer Audio! Questions: 1) I have red book and hi-res PCM files. With the default setup (n preferences), all my files were played at 96K. I have increased the sample rate to 192,000 - now everything plays at 192.... Is this recommended? Is there a way for each track to play at its sample rate? Purists prefer to play the file in native format. But that is not why you use HQPlayer. Set the output to the native resolution of your DAC which for the Mojo is 768kHz. That way you are doing all the heavy lifting outside the DAC in your computer and letting the DAC just play the music. You should try different settings on this and see which suits your setup. 2) I listen mainly to acoustic / classical music. Any better options than poly-sinc / TPDF? Poly-sinc are the most recommended filters. Use poly-sinc-shrt for acoustic and classical music to start with. 3) DSD Would like to try PCM->DSD I use for now a Chord Mojo that does 256K. I dont see where I can ask HQP to convert PCM to DSD In the second drop down I see no DSD option. Looks like you need to setup your DSD settings ... You will get this as soon as you are done with setup. Set Oversampling filter to poly-sinc-shrt Set Modulator to ASDM7 to start with and move to the -256 filters for DSD256 Set your max bitrate to 11289600 Volume min -10.0 dB and Volume max to 0.0 dB In player back off the volume knob a few clicks i.e. DSD sounds better that way. Good luck! Custom Win10 Server | Mutec MC-3+ USB | Lampizator Amber | Job INT | ATC SCM20PSL + JL Audio E-Sub e110 Link to comment
jacquesr Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Thanks guys. Very helpful. I was experiment and will have more questions later. One thing is sure - The send is way more natural and pleasant. HQP is a big upgrade versus Amarra. Mac Mini Late 2014 (16G/SSD) w Uptone JS-2 w OWC Thunderbay 4 Mini RAID (JS-2) / Roon Aqua LinQ w EtherCon cable (Ghent) w Uptone EtherRegen w Uptone JS-2 Aqua Formula xHD w Ocellia RCA Interconnect & Shunyata Delta NR Kora TB 200 Integrated Amplifier w Audio Art Power Cable Magico V2 w Ocellia speaker cables w Shunyata Dark Field Elevator & JL Audio E-Sub e110 X 2 All equipment, including subwoofer on Modulum platforms (modulumaudio.com) Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 HQP is a big upgrade versus Amarra. I paid for Amarra with all bells and whistles and I use HQP happily now, do not care to launch Amarra. So, welcome to the club! HQP is a great player in OXS environment. Ask questions, we will be happy to share experiences..) Link to comment
jacquesr Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 @AnotherSpin - Thanks for your kind words. I am in a state of disbelief... The sound coming out of my magicos is intoxicating... But: I think all my setting are OK - but not sure HQP converts PCM to DSD - see images (I have 192 selected for now, but once I chance to 768, should HQP convert to DSD with my settings?) Also, sometimes I hear nothing when I want to start a new album or a track Thanks a lot! Mac Mini Late 2014 (16G/SSD) w Uptone JS-2 w OWC Thunderbay 4 Mini RAID (JS-2) / Roon Aqua LinQ w EtherCon cable (Ghent) w Uptone EtherRegen w Uptone JS-2 Aqua Formula xHD w Ocellia RCA Interconnect & Shunyata Delta NR Kora TB 200 Integrated Amplifier w Audio Art Power Cable Magico V2 w Ocellia speaker cables w Shunyata Dark Field Elevator & JL Audio E-Sub e110 X 2 All equipment, including subwoofer on Modulum platforms (modulumaudio.com) Link to comment
Miska Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 I think all my setting are OK - but not sure HQP converts PCM to DSD - see images Now it upsamples PCM to PCM and DSD to DSD ot fastest rate your DAC supports. For Chord Mojo that is probably a good idea given the way it handles DSD inputs. But in order to upsample PCM to DSD you need to select "SDM (DSD)" in the right-most drop-list in the main window. You may also want to enable "Pipeline SDM". And depending on your CPU speed use "poly-sinc-short-2s" instead for "Oversampling" in case your experience drop-outs. Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
jacquesr Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Hello Jussi, I see only PCM and Auto in the right-most drop down. Thank you much for developing HQP. Truly awesome. If you ever get to make it easier for people to adopt it, you will enjoy even more success. Thanks for your help Mac Mini Late 2014 (16G/SSD) w Uptone JS-2 w OWC Thunderbay 4 Mini RAID (JS-2) / Roon Aqua LinQ w EtherCon cable (Ghent) w Uptone EtherRegen w Uptone JS-2 Aqua Formula xHD w Ocellia RCA Interconnect & Shunyata Delta NR Kora TB 200 Integrated Amplifier w Audio Art Power Cable Magico V2 w Ocellia speaker cables w Shunyata Dark Field Elevator & JL Audio E-Sub e110 X 2 All equipment, including subwoofer on Modulum platforms (modulumaudio.com) Link to comment
Miska Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 I see only PCM and Auto in the right-most drop down. For Chord Mojo on OS X, you need to set "SDM Pack" setting to "DoP" in the settings dialog ("Preferences" on OS X). This enables DSD output up to DSD256. Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
jacquesr Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Ok - my settings are OK now... the proof is that music stutters - my Mac Mini is not powerful enough even with 2s. With the PCM settings, everything is upsampled to 768. Is that what you recommend? What do I need to change to have each track play at native sample rate? Thanks Mac Mini Late 2014 (16G/SSD) w Uptone JS-2 w OWC Thunderbay 4 Mini RAID (JS-2) / Roon Aqua LinQ w EtherCon cable (Ghent) w Uptone EtherRegen w Uptone JS-2 Aqua Formula xHD w Ocellia RCA Interconnect & Shunyata Delta NR Kora TB 200 Integrated Amplifier w Audio Art Power Cable Magico V2 w Ocellia speaker cables w Shunyata Dark Field Elevator & JL Audio E-Sub e110 X 2 All equipment, including subwoofer on Modulum platforms (modulumaudio.com) Link to comment
Solstice380 Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Ok - my settings are OK now... the proof is that music stutters - my Mac Mini is not powerful enough even with 2s. With the PCM settings, everything is upsampled to 768. Is that what you recommend? What do I need to change to have each track play at native sample rate? Thanks Set the modulator (left drop down menu) and Filter (second left) to NONE and Output (right side) to PCM. I think that I remember that correctly! Not sure if you have to change the Rate menu (second from right). https://audiophilestyle.com/profile/21384-solstice380/?tab=field_core_pfield_3 Link to comment
jacquesr Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 @squirrelman Please let us know how you like your Euphoria. It might see one in my future. Hope you are having fun. Mac Mini Late 2014 (16G/SSD) w Uptone JS-2 w OWC Thunderbay 4 Mini RAID (JS-2) / Roon Aqua LinQ w EtherCon cable (Ghent) w Uptone EtherRegen w Uptone JS-2 Aqua Formula xHD w Ocellia RCA Interconnect & Shunyata Delta NR Kora TB 200 Integrated Amplifier w Audio Art Power Cable Magico V2 w Ocellia speaker cables w Shunyata Dark Field Elevator & JL Audio E-Sub e110 X 2 All equipment, including subwoofer on Modulum platforms (modulumaudio.com) Link to comment
squirrelman Posted May 23, 2016 Author Share Posted May 23, 2016 @squirrelman Please let us know how you like your Euphoria. It might see one in my future. Hope you are having fun. I've got probably about ~8-10 hours on it so far and I am loving it. I'm coming from a Gen 1. Wavelength Brick so no slouch, but a totally different animal. First thing that I love about the Euforia is it's output is much higher than the Brick (3.6v to 1.3v) which lets me use it no problem on my Don Garber Fi-X 2A3 "integrated" (it is just 3 inputs and a passive volume knob). The extra voltage was really needed. So for sake of comparison it is the Brick + Dennis Had LP-27a preamp and the Euforia straight into the Fi-X. The sound stage is so much larger on the Euforia, that is the first thing I noticed that jumped out at me. Everything seems deeper, more separated and has just a little more airiness to it. Listening to Ryan Adams live at Carnegie Hall, when I close my eyes I can see him on stage and feel like I was there more so than ever before. I can here his fingers sliding on the strings more clearly than before, I can him taps on the acoustic guitar that I had never heard before. Link to comment
Miska Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 With the PCM settings, everything is upsampled to 768. Is that what you recommend? For Chord Mojo that is possibly the best approach. I'm yet to make measurements of it, but based on the information I have, that's my current recommendation for it. What do I need to change to have each track play at native sample rate? Set filter (left-most drop-list) to "none" in main window. Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
jacquesr Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 How do you feed you DAC? Mac Mini Late 2014 (16G/SSD) w Uptone JS-2 w OWC Thunderbay 4 Mini RAID (JS-2) / Roon Aqua LinQ w EtherCon cable (Ghent) w Uptone EtherRegen w Uptone JS-2 Aqua Formula xHD w Ocellia RCA Interconnect & Shunyata Delta NR Kora TB 200 Integrated Amplifier w Audio Art Power Cable Magico V2 w Ocellia speaker cables w Shunyata Dark Field Elevator & JL Audio E-Sub e110 X 2 All equipment, including subwoofer on Modulum platforms (modulumaudio.com) Link to comment
squirrelman Posted May 23, 2016 Author Share Posted May 23, 2016 How do you feed you DAC? For now just using a simple ~$50 Kimber cable USB cord from my Windows 10 PC running Roon + HQplayer upconverting everything to DSD128 (max for the Euforia) Link to comment
jacquesr Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Have been enjoying HQP for the past few days. One small issue: I usually play albums, from the beginning (with Roon). Then after a few tracks... no sound. If I hit "back" the track always play fine. Any clue? Thanks Mac Mini Late 2014 (16G/SSD) w Uptone JS-2 w OWC Thunderbay 4 Mini RAID (JS-2) / Roon Aqua LinQ w EtherCon cable (Ghent) w Uptone EtherRegen w Uptone JS-2 Aqua Formula xHD w Ocellia RCA Interconnect & Shunyata Delta NR Kora TB 200 Integrated Amplifier w Audio Art Power Cable Magico V2 w Ocellia speaker cables w Shunyata Dark Field Elevator & JL Audio E-Sub e110 X 2 All equipment, including subwoofer on Modulum platforms (modulumaudio.com) Link to comment
jacquesr Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Hi, I still have this issue that after a few tracks of an album (Roon) I get no sound... I have to hit the left arrow in Roon to go back at the beginning of the track. Any idea? Mac Mini Late 2014 (16G/SSD) w Uptone JS-2 w OWC Thunderbay 4 Mini RAID (JS-2) / Roon Aqua LinQ w EtherCon cable (Ghent) w Uptone EtherRegen w Uptone JS-2 Aqua Formula xHD w Ocellia RCA Interconnect & Shunyata Delta NR Kora TB 200 Integrated Amplifier w Audio Art Power Cable Magico V2 w Ocellia speaker cables w Shunyata Dark Field Elevator & JL Audio E-Sub e110 X 2 All equipment, including subwoofer on Modulum platforms (modulumaudio.com) Link to comment
Miska Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Hi, I still have this issue that after a few tracks of an album (Roon) I get no sound... I have to hit the left arrow in Roon to go back at the beginning of the track.Any idea? Are you on HQPlayer 3.13.3? Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
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