kennethpilegaard Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Can anyone explain this to me? :-) I've got my music stored on a NAS and I'm using the BlueSound app to control my BlueSound Node - this works perfect. It loads the library with all the information - cover art, artist, track titles, etc. I am though considering upgrading to an Auralic Aries streamer to improve the sound quality, so I tried downloading the Lightning DS app, but when I choose my NAS it doesn't index all the music properly. Most of the music is just marked "unknown" and isn't organised at all - see the pictures. Does anyone know how to solve this? Kind Regards, Kenneth BlueSound Node > Supra ZAC Toslink > PS Audio NuWave DAC > Transparent MusicLink Ultra MM2 XLR > Ayre Acoustics AX-7e > Cardas Quadlink 5C SC > NEAT Acoustics Ultimatum MFS (+ PS Audio PerfectWave P3 + 2x PS Audio PerfectWave PowerBases + Supra LoRad PC + Finite Elemente Pagode Signature E14 + Seagate Central NAS + iPad Air 2 as remote) Link to comment
miguelito Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 A few questions: 1- What file types? 2- Are you sure the files themselves are tagged? NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
kennyb123 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 I don't believe that the Lightning app does any indexing itself. It simply reads the index provided to it. The problem likely lies with the app that's serving up the music off your NAS - or with the tags applied to your music. Take a look at your same library using another app - like Kinsky or Lumin. I'm guessing you will see the same problems. If you do then try to retag one of the problem files just to see if that helps. Are the problem files in WAV format by any chance? Digital: Sonore opticalModule > Uptone EtherRegen > Shunyata Sigma Ethernet > Antipodes K30 > Shunyata Omega USB > Gustard X26pro DAC < Mutec REF10 SE120 Amp & Speakers: Spectral DMA-150mk2 > Aerial 10T Foundation: Stillpoints Ultra, Shunyata Denali v1 and Typhon x1 power conditioners, Shunyata Delta v2 and QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation and Infinity power cords, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation XLR interconnect, Shunyata Sigma Ethernet, MIT Matrix HD 60 speaker cables, GIK bass traps, ASC Isothermal tube traps, Stillpoints Aperture panels, Quadraspire SVT rack, PGGB 256 Link to comment
kennethpilegaard Posted March 23, 2015 Author Share Posted March 23, 2015 Thank you very much for the replies :-) The same happens when using Kinsky, so it may not be the Lightning DS app. The files are a mix of AIFF, MP4 and FLAC. The BlueSound app has no problem showing all the files correctly - although I do sometimes have to tag some files if they aren't. Browsing through my NAS it seems that the AIFF files is the problem, because the FLAC and MP4 files show up fine in Lightning DS. Could the AIFF files be the issue? And why is there no problem with the BlueSound app? Kind Regards, Kenneth BlueSound Node > Supra ZAC Toslink > PS Audio NuWave DAC > Transparent MusicLink Ultra MM2 XLR > Ayre Acoustics AX-7e > Cardas Quadlink 5C SC > NEAT Acoustics Ultimatum MFS (+ PS Audio PerfectWave P3 + 2x PS Audio PerfectWave PowerBases + Supra LoRad PC + Finite Elemente Pagode Signature E14 + Seagate Central NAS + iPad Air 2 as remote) Link to comment
kennyb123 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Could the AIFF files be the issue? And why is there no problem with the BlueSound app? It very well could be. There have been problems with my AIFF files that have kept them from showing up the right way via MinimServer. But those same AIFF files showed up fine in other apps (like iTunes and JRiver). Some apps are pickier than others and more easily tip over if the files aren't as expected. With these problem AIFF files, it could either be an issue with the AIFF container (and not the data itself), or possibly a bad tag on the file. The fix for the former is to simply convert the AIFF to another AIFF. I used Max on the Mac to do this. Try this with a single file and see if it helps. Digital: Sonore opticalModule > Uptone EtherRegen > Shunyata Sigma Ethernet > Antipodes K30 > Shunyata Omega USB > Gustard X26pro DAC < Mutec REF10 SE120 Amp & Speakers: Spectral DMA-150mk2 > Aerial 10T Foundation: Stillpoints Ultra, Shunyata Denali v1 and Typhon x1 power conditioners, Shunyata Delta v2 and QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation and Infinity power cords, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation XLR interconnect, Shunyata Sigma Ethernet, MIT Matrix HD 60 speaker cables, GIK bass traps, ASC Isothermal tube traps, Stillpoints Aperture panels, Quadraspire SVT rack, PGGB 256 Link to comment
jtwrace Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Most of my files are AIFF. The ones that were corrupt had bad tags that I fixed using Yate. After this all the errors were fixed in Minimserver log too. W10 NUC i7 (Gen 10) > Roon (Audiolense FIR) > Motu UltraLite mk5 > (4) Hypex NCore NC502MP > JBL M2 Master Reference +4 subs Watch my Podcast https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXMw_bZWBMtRWNJQfTJ38kA/videos Link to comment
Cebolla Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 The same happens when using Kinsky, so it may not be the Lightning DS app. The files are a mix of AIFF, MP4 and FLAC. The BlueSound app has no problem showing all the files correctly - although I do sometimes have to tag some files if they aren't. Browsing through my NAS it seems that the AIFF files is the problem, because the FLAC and MP4 files show up fine in Lightning DS. Could the AIFF files be the issue? And why is there no problem with the BlueSound app? Hi Kenneth, The Bluesound streamer uses your NAS's network shared folders to gain direct access to the music files. It then uses a built-in proprietary media server to build a private music library from the music file tags, which it then shares with other Bluesound devices and software. The Lightning DS app, being an industry standard UPnP and OpenHome Media (ohMedia, aka UPnP with Linn extensions) controller, does not have access to your NAS via network shared folders and instead makes use of a UPnP/DLNA media server application running on your NAS to provide it with the music files. It is the UPnP media server's job to build and maintain the music file library from the tags and it is this music file library that the Lightning DS is accessing. The Lightning DS app therefore is not involved in the process of reading the tags and if there is any issue you should look to sorting it out on your NAS's UPnP media server. It's possible that your NAS's UPnP media server has a specific problem with your AIFF files' tags. John We are far more united and have far more in common with each other than things that divide us. -- Jo Cox Link to comment
kennethpilegaard Posted March 23, 2015 Author Share Posted March 23, 2015 Hi Kenneth, The Bluesound streamer uses your NAS's network shared folders to gain direct access to the music files. It then uses a built-in proprietary media server to build a private music library from the music file tags, which it then shares with other Bluesound devices and software. The Lightning DS app, being an industry standard UPnP and OpenHome Media (ohMedia, aka UPnP with Linn extensions) controller, does not have access to your NAS via network shared folders and instead makes use of a UPnP/DLNA media server application running on your NAS to provide it with the music files. It is the UPnP media server's job to build and maintain the music file library from the tags and it is this music file library that the Lightning DS is accessing. The Lightning DS app therefore is not involved in the process of reading the tags and if there is any issue you should look to sorting it out on your NAS's UPnP media server. It's possible that your NAS's UPnP media server has a specific problem with your AIFF files' tags. John Thank you all for your replies! I'll try to convert some of the files and see if this helps :-) @John: that's a great explanation - thank you! It always puzzled me a bit why the BlueSound worked so much different, but now I know :-) Kind Regards, Kenneth BlueSound Node > Supra ZAC Toslink > PS Audio NuWave DAC > Transparent MusicLink Ultra MM2 XLR > Ayre Acoustics AX-7e > Cardas Quadlink 5C SC > NEAT Acoustics Ultimatum MFS (+ PS Audio PerfectWave P3 + 2x PS Audio PerfectWave PowerBases + Supra LoRad PC + Finite Elemente Pagode Signature E14 + Seagate Central NAS + iPad Air 2 as remote) Link to comment
Distinctive Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Do you have Internet connection available for the album art to be downloaded from Gracenote, etc. if applicable? Link to comment
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