Archimago Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Just wanted to invite everyone who might not have seen the 24-bit vs. 16-bit audio test I have on the blog post. 3 musical pieces, 2 samples - either 24-bit or dithered down to 16-bit. Have a listen. Can you tell the difference? Think about how easy/hard it was to differentiate... Then complete my survey :-) I know many here have mad audio technical skillz. Please try to listen 1st before running file through the audio editor! Collecting data until June then I'll publish a summary analysis. Archimago's Musings: INTERNET TEST: 24-bit vs. 16-bit Audio - Can you hear the difference? All the best, Archimago Archimago's Musings: A "more objective" take for the Rational Audiophile. Beyond mere fidelity, into immersion and realism. R.I.P. MQA 2014-2023: Hyped product thanks to uneducated, uncritical advocates & captured press. Link to comment
sandyk Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Jon P did the same here not so long back with an excerpt recorded at 16/44.1. 24/44.1 and 24/48 Only 2 members bothered to respond. It also helps if the recording was from a high quality original digital source, not from something originally recorded on tape where the noise floor of the tape is in evidence. How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
testikoff Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Just wanted to invite everyone who might not have seen the 24-bit vs. 16-bit audio test I have on the blog post. 3 musical pieces, 2 samples - either 24-bit or dithered down to 16-bit. Have a listen. Can you tell the difference? Think about how easy/hard it was to differentiate... Then complete my survey :-) Out of curiosity, what dither did you use for 24-to-16 bit downconversion?.. Link to comment
beetlemania Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 I did my own test last year. I have a 24/192 Norah Jones and used dBPoweramp to convert to 16/44. I used the Foobar comparator. I made a couple of mistakes at first but was able to lock onto the sound of hi-rez and got it right 8-10 consecutive times, at which point I figured that was highly statistically significant (plus, I was pretty confident that I could keep on identifying which was which). For me, the jump is from 16 bit to 24 bit. Comparing 24/44 to 24/192, I'm pretty hard-pressed to distinguish the difference. But if others claim they can, I'm completely comfortable with such claims. It is a subtle difference (as evidenced by my initial mistakes) but I find hi-rez to be worth it. Hi-rez files have a more relaxed and musical presentation. I put hi-rez files as a third-tier difference maker (speakers/amps first, source component second, cabling/format/et al. third). Roon ROCK (Roon 1.7; NUC7i3) > Ayre QB-9 Twenty > Ayre AX-5 Twenty > Thiel CS2.4SE (crossovers rebuilt with Clarity CSA and Multicap RTX caps, Mills MRA-12 resistors; ERSE and Jantzen coils; Cardas binding posts and hookup wire); Cardas and OEM power cables, interconnects, and speaker cables Link to comment
Melvin Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 I did my own test last year. I have a 24/192 Norah Jones and used dBPoweramp to convert to 16/44. I used the Foobar comparator. I made a couple of mistakes at first but was able to lock onto the sound of hi-rez and got it right 8-10 consecutive times, at which point I figured that was highly statistically significant (plus, I was pretty confident that I could keep on identifying which was which). For me, the jump is from 16 bit to 24 bit. Comparing 24/44 to 24/192, I'm pretty hard-pressed to distinguish the difference. But if others claim they can, I'm completely comfortable with such claims. It is a subtle difference (as evidenced by my initial mistakes) but I find hi-rez to be worth it. Hi-rez files have a more relaxed and musical presentation. I put hi-rez files as a third-tier difference maker (speakers/amps first, source component second, cabling/format/et al. third). A penny for your thoughts .. what do you think of up-sampled 16/44.1? Say Redbook to 24/88.2 or 24/176.4. Have you tested in the same manner and if so, did/do you like? FWIW, my DAC does quite a nice job with 16/44.1 and I hear no improvement up-sampling. When I have down-sampled to 16/44.1 I also easily hear the difference, although I did no DB testing. Sorry for being somewhat off topic. Link to comment
beetlemania Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 A penny for your thoughts .. what do you think of up-sampled 16/44.1? Say Redbook to 24/88.2 or 24/176.4. Have you tested in the same manner and if so, did/do you like? FWIW, my DAC does quite a nice job with 16/44.1 and I hear no improvement up-sampling. When I have down-sampled to 16/44.1 I also easily hear the difference, although I did no DB testing. Sorry, I've never tried that. Roon ROCK (Roon 1.7; NUC7i3) > Ayre QB-9 Twenty > Ayre AX-5 Twenty > Thiel CS2.4SE (crossovers rebuilt with Clarity CSA and Multicap RTX caps, Mills MRA-12 resistors; ERSE and Jantzen coils; Cardas binding posts and hookup wire); Cardas and OEM power cables, interconnects, and speaker cables Link to comment
testikoff Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 I did my own test last year. I have a 24/192 Norah Jones and used dBPoweramp to convert to 16/44. There is no sample rate reduction in Archimago's test, however (only bit depth). All tracks are sampled at 96 kHz. Link to comment
wappinghigh Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 Nice test. New simplified setup: STEREO- Primary listening Area: Cullen Circuits Mod ZP90> Benchmark DAC1>RotelRKB250 Power amp>KEF Q Series. Secondary listening areas: 1/ QNAP 119P II(running MinimServer)>UPnP>Linn Majik DSI>Linn Majik 140's. 2/ (Source awaiting)>Invicta DAC>RotelRKB2100 Power amp>Rega's. Tertiary multiroom areas: Same QNAP>SMB>Sonos>Various. MULTICHANNEL- MacMini>A+(Standalone mode)>Exasound e28 >5.1 analog out>Yamaha Avantage Receiver>Pre-outs>Linn Chakra power amps>Linn Katan front and sides. Linn Trikan Centre. Velodyne SPL1000 Ultra Link to comment
Archimago Posted May 16, 2014 Author Share Posted May 16, 2014 Hey guys! Thanks for all the survey responses so far! It's about 1/2 way into the test period so keep the responses coming. I've got about 100 results so far. The more the merrier :-) If you have gear capable of hi-res playback, please give this a try and let me know what you hear! Archimago's Musings: A "more objective" take for the Rational Audiophile. Beyond mere fidelity, into immersion and realism. R.I.P. MQA 2014-2023: Hyped product thanks to uneducated, uncritical advocates & captured press. Link to comment
gmgraves Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Just wanted to invite everyone who might not have seen the 24-bit vs. 16-bit audio test I have on the blog post. 3 musical pieces, 2 samples - either 24-bit or dithered down to 16-bit. Have a listen. Can you tell the difference? Think about how easy/hard it was to differentiate... Then complete my survey :-) I know many here have mad audio technical skillz. Please try to listen 1st before running file through the audio editor! Collecting data until June then I'll publish a summary analysis. Archimago's Musings: INTERNET TEST: 24-bit vs. 16-bit Audio - Can you hear the difference? All the best, Archimago 24-bit (and 32-bit too) gives more headroom on both ends of the chain. So yeah, you can hear it as expanded dynamic range if nothing else. George Link to comment
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