cubase Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Hi, I own a Lumin network player which satisfies me for serious listening, especially when I play DSD files. I also use Jriver as a server which is really great except that it can't convert DoP files to PCM. Therfore a large part of my music collection can't be played on my PC. I am now thinking about changing my soundcard for a DoP compatible one. Does such a card exist ? I am not looking for absolute quality (that's the Lumin part) but rather for a cheap device. Best regards Maxime Link to comment
Audio_ELF Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 I don't think a DSD sound card exists... The cheapest option for DSD that I recall is the Korg -- Amazon.com: Korg Ds-dac-10 1bit USB DAC Digital Analog Converter: Electronics Eloise Eloise --- ...in my opinion / experience... While I agree "Everything may matter" working out what actually affects the sound is a trickier thing. And I agree "Trust your ears" but equally don't allow them to fool you - trust them with a bit of skepticism. keep your mind open... But mind your brain doesn't fall out. Link to comment
Audio_ELF Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 ...or use HQPlayer from Signalyst (Miska on computeraudiophile.com) Eloise --- ...in my opinion / experience... While I agree "Everything may matter" working out what actually affects the sound is a trickier thing. And I agree "Trust your ears" but equally don't allow them to fool you - trust them with a bit of skepticism. keep your mind open... But mind your brain doesn't fall out. Link to comment
hifitubes Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 What is it that JRMC can't do? Bitstream DSD over ethernet/DLNA to your Lumin? Have you asked at JRiver forums? DIGITAL: Windows 7 x64 JRMC19 >Adnaco S3B fiber over USB (battery power)> Auralic Vega > Tortuga LDR custom LPSU > Zu Union Cubes + Deep Hemp Sub ANALOG: PTP Audio Solid 9 > Audiomods Series V > Audio Technica Art-7 MC > Allnic H1201 > Tortuga LDR > Zu Union Cubes + Deep Hemp Sub ACCESSORIES: PlatterSpeed, BlackCat cables, Antipodes Cables, Huffman Cables, Feickert Protracter, OMA Graphite mat, JRemote Link to comment
cubase Posted June 18, 2013 Author Share Posted June 18, 2013 Thanks Eloise for your answer, I'll give Signalyst a try today. Hifitubes, Jriver can't convert DoP files to PCM. It can convert iso from SACD and DSF files (to be confirmed) to PCM but not DoP. I have already asked at River forums why SACD iso can't play as it should. So I am looking for another way to play DoP on my PC. Link to comment
Audio_ELF Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 Thanks Eloise for your answer, I'll give Signalyst a try today. Hifitubes, Jriver can't convert DoP files to PCM. It can convert iso from SACD and DSF files (to be confirmed) to PCM but not DoP. I have already asked at River forums why SACD iso can't play as it should. So I am looking for another way to play DoP on my PC. Just to clarify, I assume you have converted your DSD files to DoP files using the Foobar SACD plugin? Eloise Eloise --- ...in my opinion / experience... While I agree "Everything may matter" working out what actually affects the sound is a trickier thing. And I agree "Trust your ears" but equally don't allow them to fool you - trust them with a bit of skepticism. keep your mind open... But mind your brain doesn't fall out. Link to comment
cubase Posted June 18, 2013 Author Share Posted June 18, 2013 Just to clarify, I assume you have converted your DSD files to DoP files using the Foobar SACD plugin? Eloise You're right Link to comment
RoseKloud666 Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Im jumping in here real late i have posted a thread about 20 minutes ago searching for a sound card ,then i found this thread Is it being suggested a s i think it is , that since there was no sound card for DSD , that signalyst HQ player can act as a DAC ? im rather noob to digital PC audio , i hope i did nt make ne one spew milk from their nose when i asked that ? Im also looking for a less expensive way to enjoy up to DSD (128 , 256 , even 512 ) if possible in a sound card ,now i have read what i think says HQ player can do that DAC task ? i have my limit in coin invested in my headphone setup ,RSA Darkstar ,HD 800s ,Cayin N6 and too much on cables lol. Thats a bedroom setup , i was hoping for something more affordable in my front room setup (80s Meitner P6 amp/preamp , Tannoy NFM speakers ) Cheers Link to comment
Norton Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 I have to confess I didn't realise there was a storable DoP file format, just thought it was a method for transmission on the fly. However, if you have the original (dsf?) files, surely JRiver can just send them as DoP? I'm using JRiver as server and a Bryston BDP as renderer quite happily with .dsf files at the moment. Unless the issue is that Lumin doesn't actually accept DoP (in which case why convert in first place?) I'm unclear as to what the issue is. Link to comment
adwalton Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 I'm a bit late to reply on this but I use Pink Faun i2s Bridge. I am using Roon it outputs DSD over DoP to a PS Audio Directstream. It works well however I am still to find a PCI card that can output native DSD directly to the DAC. The chipset used by Pink Faun is CM8888 which unfortunately at the moment doesn't support direct DSD hopefully a firmware update soon.. Maybe. I really like the Pink Faun product. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment
RoseKloud666 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 I'm a bit late to reply on this but I use Pink Faun i2s Bridge. I am using Roon it outputs DSD over DoP to a PS Audio Directstream. It works well however I am still to find a PCI card that can output native DSD directly to the DAC. The chipset used by Pink Faun is CM8888 which unfortunately at the moment doesn't support direct DSD hopefully a firmware update soon.. Maybe. I really like the Pink Faun product. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Thank you I went the route of a Moon 280 D dac Link to comment
kcwilsonii Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Thought I would update this .. EVGA is coming out with a Sound card that fully supports DSD. Available this January 16th I have been waiting a long time for one to become available myself https://www.evga.com/articles/01281/evga-nu-audio/ Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Interesting. designed by Audio Note. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
firedog Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Interesting that it is supposed to be on the market Jan. 16th, and pricing still isn't released. Guesses? $1000; $1500; $2000; $2500? More? Be very interesting to have some blind test listen to this vs a decent/similarly priced DAC. Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
Miska Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 45 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Interesting. designed by Audio Note. I was just going to say about this one. I need to get one for testing... Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
Miska Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, firedog said: Interesting that it is supposed to be on the market Jan. 16th, and pricing still isn't released. Guesses? $1000; $1500; $2000; $2500? More? If it competes with the pro-audio and ASUS cards, below $1000... kcwilsonii 1 Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
kcwilsonii Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Cost: per this article "EVGA said the card will cost $250 EVGA Elite Members will be able to buy it for $200." https://www.pcworld.com/article/3331898/computers/evga-nu-audio-sound-card.html 4est 1 Link to comment
asdf1000 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Miska said: If it competes with the pro-audio and ASUS cards, below $1000... How do those cards compete with the Pro-Ject S2 USB DAC (also below $1k)? Link to comment
Miska Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, Em2016 said: How do those cards compete with the Pro-Ject S2 USB DAC (also below $1k)? That's what I want to find out! I'll do my usual checks when I manage to buy one somewhere. asdf1000 1 Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
kcwilsonii Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 will add my 2 cents when I get one also. I can record DSD (work in progress, kind of new at it) already and would like to compare the two. Playback for my files via the computer would be ideal for listening. Link to comment
lucretius Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Specifications (per EVGA): Audio DSP: XMOS xCORE-200 Native DSD Support (up to x256) Output Configuration: 2 Channel (Analog) 5.1 Channel (Digital via S/PDIF) Dynamic Range (DNR) / Signal-to-Noise (SNR): 123dB (Stereo Playback) 121dB (Line-In Recording) Playback Format: Up to 384kHz, 32bit (Stereo) Up to 192kHz, 24bit (Optical) Headphone Amp: 16-600ohm (Independent Analog Control) Maximum Voltage: 8Vrms Maximum Current: 250mA Recording Format: Up to 384kHz, 32bit (Line-In) Up to 192kHz, 24bit (Mic-In) RGB Lighting: 10 - Mode w/ Audio Reactive Lighting I/O: Stereo Out (RCA L/R) Headphone Out (6.3mm) Line-In (3.5mm) Mic-In (3.5mm) Optical Out (TOSLINK Passthrough) Front Panel Header Premium Components: DAC - AKM AK4493 ADC - AKM AK5572 OP-AMP (Headphone) - ADI OP275 OP-AMP (Line Out) - ADI AD8056 Capacitors - WIMA, Audio Note(UK), Nichicon Power Regulators - Texas Instruments TPS7A47/TPS7A33 ultralow-noise power solution Switchable OP-AMPs: Headphone, Line out Interface: PCIe x1 Gen2 Power Connector: 1x SATA Power Supported OS: Windows 10, 8.1, 7 ************************************************************************************************************************ Unfortunately, no balanced out (either XLR or TRS). mQa is dead! Link to comment
Miska Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 11 hours ago, lucretius said: Unfortunately, no balanced out (either XLR or TRS). Yeah, it is clearly an ordinary consumer product, not really targeted on high-end- or pro-audio markets. But if it anywhere nearly as good as it seems, it is pretty good choice for regular HiFi. And would be competing with bunch of high-end audio too if you don't mind about lack of balanced connections. There's still a lot of high-end gear too that doesn't balanced connectivity. Especially many amps that lack more than one balanced input. Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
Miska Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 On 1/10/2019 at 11:16 PM, kcwilsonii said: I can record DSD (work in progress, kind of new at it) already and would like to compare the two. Playback for my files via the computer would be ideal for listening. Not very clear from the data if it can actually record DSD, or just PCM... It could be that DSD support is only for playback side. Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
Cortes Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 4 hours ago, Miska said: Yeah, it is clearly an ordinary consumer product, not really targeted on high-end- or pro-audio markets. But if it anywhere nearly as good as it seems, it is pretty good choice for regular HiFi. And would be competing with bunch of high-end audio too if you don't mind about lack of balanced connections. There's still a lot of high-end gear too that doesn't balanced connectivity. Especially many amps that lack more than one balanced input. Ordinary consumer product?. Well, evga opposite to most of Hi-Fi brands is a real engineering company. I own some cards from them which are really above their competitors. My ftw3 is top notch. I bet this card will become better than most of Hi-Fi dacs. Link to comment
Miska Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Cortes said: Ordinary consumer product?. Well, evga opposite to most of Hi-Fi brands is a real engineering company. I own some cards from them which are really above their competitors. My ftw3 is top notch. I bet this card will become better than most of Hi-Fi dacs. They just had a bunch of GeForce GTX 10x0 cards that were bursting into flames because they forgot to attach also voltage regulators to the heatsink after modifying Nvidia's reference design... Traditionally PNY and ASUS have been quite good at making GeForce graphics cards. I've also had bunch of PNY Quadro cards. As far as I can see, EVGA is not providing any Quadro cards. ASUS has been doing audio hardware for a while, but nothing really extraordinary so far. Generic HiFi level. But since this this card is inexpensive I'll just get one, hook it up to my measurement rig and see how it goes. Good if they get it right on first attempt since EVGA is not prior known for audio engineering. I'm not going over board with my expectations, I rather get happily surprised than disappointed. Against pro-audio sector, they have RME, Lynx and bunch of other competitors to go against. For example the mic input on this audio card seems to be consumer level mic input as it is just 3.5mm jack without 48V phantom power, so not really suitable for any better microphones. Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
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