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    Sonore microRendu Review, Part 2

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    In Part 1 of my Sonore microRendu review I went into detail about the product's design and hardware. In Part 2 I will touch on the software, power supply options, a less expensive but less capable version (Sonicorbiter SE), and give an assessment on how my HiFi system sounds with the microRendu.

     

    Since the microRendu was announced it has been a very hot topic on CA. Since the product was released it has become a very hot topic in high end audio circles everywhere. This product has many high end manufacturers concerned, and rightly so. It's $640, plus the cost of a power supply ($50+), and it outperforms much more expensive products on the market. The first production run of the "mR" sold out almost immediately. The second production run is well one its way to selling out. It appears that this tiny product from a tiny company is currently the biggest thing in HiFi.[PRBREAK][/PRBREAK]

     

     

     

    Software

     

     

    The microRendu runs the Sonicorbiter operating system. This OS was created through a collaboration between Sonore by Simple Design and Small Green Computer. It may be new to many CA readers, but the fact is both Jesus and Andrew from SGC have been working on parts of this OS for many years. One doesn't simply come up with the idea for an OS and make it work over the weekend. If there were one or two DACs on the market and a single PCM sample rate and no other variables, that would be one thing, but given the current market conditions with PCM, DSD, upsampling, and an endless number of USB DACs in customers' hands, creating a very successful OS takes years of fine tuning.

     

    Sonicorbiter is based on Fedora Linux and relies on several open source projects in addition to proprietary customizations. Sure, Sonore benefits from the work of others in the open source community, but Jesus and Andrew are also part of that community helping to improve this software so even other manufacturers receive the benefits. Sonicorbiter itself isn't available as a software only product, as it's only provided with the microRendu and the Sonicorbiter SE hardware. Other than this information, the end user really doesn't need to know a thing about the OS or Linux. It works like a toaster. Plug it into the network, click play, listen not music.

     

    At the risk of sounding redundant, I will briefly cover the output modes available on the microRendu though the Sonicorbiter software. Much of this information is already documented on the Sonore microRendu website.

     

    After connecting the microRendu to one's network, the user can simply go to the sonicorbiter.com website to see the microrendu and other Sonore / SGC products on the network. There is no need to know the IP address or name or anything about the microRendu. This website gives the user all that's needed. In my situation, the microRendu was listed and a link to its own webpage was provided. Clicking the link brings the user to the simplistic configuration page of the microRendu. Among the options are the selectable output modes. The user can chose between several methods of delivering audio to his system.

     

    • SqueezeLite Output
    • ShairPort Output
    • MPD/DLNA Output:
    • HQ Player NAA Output
    • RoonReady Output

     

    To be honest I'm not a fan of Squeezelite or AirPlay / ShairPort, so I'll skip covering those in this review. I mostly use the RoonReady output during the review period and I plan to continue using this method until Sonore demands the microRendu back. I guess in that case I would purchase the unit immediately. I tested using the "mR" as an NAA (Network Audio Adapter), DLNA renderer, and MPD player we well.

     

    Using the mR with Roon is dead simple, as the device appears as a RoonReady endpoint within the Roon application. For the most part, using the mR as a DLNA renderer is just as easy because it appears as a zone within applications like JRiver Media Center. Years ago I used MPD with the MPaD application to control playback and thought it was pretty good. Considering the competition now, I think this option is fairly primitive. However, I know many CA readers are big fans of it and I can assure them that this method works very well. For those not familiar with this style of playback, the microRendu is set as an MPD output, the Drive Mounter application is installed through the Sonicorbiter webpage, and is directed to the location of one's music files on another computer or NAS. The MPaD application can then be used to control playback and browse one's library. It's a simple path, from NAS to microRendu, all controlled with an iPad.

     

    The other output method is NAA in combination with HQPlayer. Setting the microRendu in NAA mode enables the HQPlayer application to see it and send audio to it over the network. This option is simple to setup on the mR, but isn't for the faint of heart when it comes to getting the whole process working. It's certainly not rocket science, but it's also not Roon. During my review I tried HQPlayer with the mR and two different DACs. I used HQP's much touted upsampling / filters to convert everything to high rate PCM and DSD256. Once this is setup, it works pretty well and integrates with Roon should the user not be interested in HQP's austere interface. The sound quality from this combination was great and varied greatly depending on the DAC I used. As this is a microRendu review, I will say the mR was capable of handling 24/384 PCM and DSD256 over the network. Any other sonic differences heard shouldn't be the result of the microRendu rather the algorithms of HQPlayer. The mR simply delivers the audio it receives in a pristine fashion.

     

    One other item hard core audiophile may be interested in, is the ability to remove all outputs modes that one doesn't need. For example, if using the microRendu as a RoonReady endpoint, it's possible to remove Squeezelite, MPD/DLNA, HQP NAA, and ShairPort / AirPlay. I don't believe it really makes a sonic difference, but everyone is free to do what they please and decide for themselves if it makes a difference in their systems.

     

     

     

    microRendu Versus Sonicorbiter SE

     

     

    The custom designed microRendu at roughly $700 with power supply has some similarities to the $300 Sonicorbiter SE. Both run on the Sonicorbiter operating system and both feature USB output to a DAC. The Sonicorbiter SE also features a optical digital audio output (TosLink). It's built on the SolidRun CuBox platform. SolidRun designed these units to deliver as many of them as possible at an inexpensive price. The fact that audiophile happen to be using them with high end systems is inconsequential. On the other end of the spectrum, the microRendu and its bespoke hardware, with Sonicorbiter operating system customized to this hardware, is in a league of its own. Potential customers looking for a product that is good enough, and pretty dang good overall, should at least try the Sonicorbiter SE at less than half the price of the mR. A little bit more functionality for a lot less money. Audiophile seeking the best sonic performance are certainly free to try the Sonicorbiter SE, but I highly recommend going straight to the major leagues with the microRendu. The Sonicorbiter SE is an electrically noisier piece of hardware that can't be fixed with a better power supply. Its design is inherently flawed compared to the microRendu. For example, the mR's custom carrier board that sends linear power from the input to the USB output that feeds a high end audio system, is leaps and bounds better than the Sonicorbiter SE. The Sonicorbiter SE's hardware design results in less sonic resolution and detail. Hearing the back wall of a concert hall is less likely to happen with a Sonicorbiter SE as it is with he microRendu. Hearing reverb tails and the decay of an instrument that seemingly goes on forever, just doesn't happen with the Sonicorbiter SE as it does with the mR. That said, if one is hesitant or not sure he would notice the difference between thee two pieces of hardware, it never hurts to start with the less expensive option and move up should the need arise.

     

     

     

    Powering The microRendu

     

     

    The "base model" of the microRendu is $640. That doesn't include a power supply. I like the fact that Sonore gave customers the option to not purchase a PSU because many people may already have one on which they've spent a considerable amount of money. The mR requires between six and nine volts of power. A quick look at the Sonore site lists a number of recommended power supplies at all price levels, including, iFi iPower power supply - 9VDC, CIAudio linear power supply - 9VDC, Teddy Pardo linear power supply - 7VDC, HD-Plex - Linear power supply - 7VDC, SOtM linear power supply - 7VDC, Empirical Audio Dynamo - microRendu edition, Uptone Audio UltraCap LPS-1 power supply - coming soon, Uptone Audio JS-2 linear power supply - 7VDC, Vinnie Rossi - LIO with microRendu output stage, and the Sonore Signature Series linear power supply - 7VDC.

     

    During this review I used both the 7 volt Sonore Signature Series linear power supply ($1,399) and the 9 volt iFi iPower power supply ($49). The differences between these two power supplies, when powering the microRendu, are somewhat similar to the differences between the mR and Sonicorbiter SE. If one is satisfied with having less than the best, then start with the $49 iFi iPower. It's a no brainer. Fortunately for iFi and mR customers, the iPower is a terrific power supply. The sound quality I squeezed from the microRendu using the iFi iPower was stellar. It's amazing what solid engineering can accomplish for less than fifty bucks. The iFi is so good, I don't hesitate to suggest that readers who purchase a much more expensive PSU, also purchase the iFi to compare the two units. What's not to like about a $49 experiment that may lead to a substantial savings? In this hobby we usually tack on a couple zeros to the end of that price, and those zeros are before the decimal point! Again, starting with the iFi iPower is a prudent move for many microRendu customers. Other mR customers, who likely know who they are, will just want to start with the best they can afford. I haven't tried the Vinnie Rossi LIO with microRendu output stage, but I have a feeling it would be a wonderful way to power the mR. I have extensively used the Sonore Signature Series linear power supply with the mR. This power supply was designed by PS Audio alum and frequent CA forum contributor Barrows Worm and Sonore VP Adrian Lebena. The question for most readers is, is this PSU worth the $1,350 price premium over the iPower? The question of worth can never definitively be answered for another person, but I will say, if I was spending my hard earned money on the microRendu I would opt for the Signature Series supply. Trying to quantify the differences and figure out if the Signature supply is nearly 30x better than the iFi iPower, based on its nearly 30x price premium is a fools errand. In my system the sonic differences were large enough and enjoyable enough for me to justify the price premium. Plus, in a hobby where we frequently spend way more money on less critical or even questionable items, spending $1,399 on a great power supply is an easy decision.

     

     

     

    For Your Listing Pleasure

     

     

    During my review of the Sonore microRendu I focussed mainly on using my reference system, and mixed in a few DACs for testing. The testing I did with other DACs was for high sample rate upsampling through HQPlayer / NAA, and for USB interface compatibility. To test HQPlayer with the mR I used the Mytek Brooklyn DAC. This DAC accepts PCM up through 32/384 and DSD up through DSD256. The microRendu had no issues sending these sample rates to the Mytek Brooklyn. I also test Schiit Audio's Yggdrasil, Simaudio's 380D DSD, EMM Labs DAC2X, Bsyston's BDA-3, Audio Alchemy's DDP-1 for compatibility. The microRendu worked with these DACs without issue or configuration changes.

     

    My signal path for this review looks like this: NAS > Cisco Switch > microRendu > Berkeley Audio Design Alpha USB > Berkeley Audio Design Alpha DAC Reference Series 2 > Constellation Audio Inspiration PreAmp 1.0 > Constellation Audio Inspiration Mono 1.0 amps > TAD CR1 loudspeakers. Ethernet cabling is AudioQuest Vodka, audio cabling is Wire World Platinum Eclipse 7. I also try DACs connected directly to the power amps when this capability exists in the DAC.

     

    I listened to the microRendu in my system and other systems. Below is my assessment of the mR while listening to a handful of artists. There's no way I could write about, and people would read about, my experience listening to hundreds of different tracks and artists. Here is a sample.

     

    The other day I was searching online for the best Jazz albums of all time. One album I found that I'd never heard of, was Chet Baker's Embraceable You. I added the album to my Roon collection from Tidal. I've long been a fan of Chet's trumpet playing but his vocals have always left quite a bit to be desired. However, this album has a couple very simplistic tracks that work so well with his simplistic voice. Both track three, Embraceable You and track five, There's A Lull In My Life are super simplistic arrangements that feature Chet's vocal performance above all other instruments. The sound of both tracks through my system is extremely engaging and pure. I've never heard Chet's voice sound so raw in all its lack of glory. I bet I've listened to this album seven or eight times lately and listened to the aforementioned two tracks several more times. Simple tracks, featuring a simple voice, and simply wonderful sound quality through the microRendu.

     

    In addition to seeing Chet Baker's Embraceable You album on the lists of must have Jazz albums, I saw the much expected Kind of Blue from Miles Davis. In fact any list that doesn't feature this album, should be taken off the Internet. I remember the first time I heard the album. I purchased the CD at a local music store, having only heard of the album but never actually hearing the music. I drove my brand new 1999 VW Beetle home and brought the disc downstairs to my listening area at my parent's house. Yeah yeah, I was living at home right after graduating from college. I put the disc in my Adcom GCD-750 CD player, connected to my GFP-750 preamp and GFA-5802 amp, and played the entire album front to back through my B&W N802 loudspeakers. I couldn't believe what I had just heard. My mind = blown. Fast forward to last evening, roughly 17 years later. I listened to Kind of Blue, the 24 bit / 192 kHz version archived from a modified Ampex ATR 104 into a Pacific Microsonics Model Two analog to digital converter. After listening, I concluded that Kind of Blue was the best album of all time in any genre. I then queued up the Tidal version on my iPhone and went to bed listening through an AudioQuest DragonFly Red and JHAudio JH13 earphones. Not only is the music amazing, but the sound I'm getting right now through my system with the microRendu is a huge factor in my self-selecting this album as the greatest of all time. I've never heard King of Blue sound better. It's as if I was reintroduced to this classic and my mind was blown again for the first time. And, this time it was blown even more because it sounded so good. I can't imagine what I would have thought seventeen years ago if I'd have heard this incredibly high quality of sound back the day.

     

    Moving to a bit more abrasive yet thrilling rock and roll, I listened to Jimi Hendrix 2010 release Valleys of Neptune several times through my current system configuration. On the first two tracks, Stone Free and Valleys of Neptune, all the instruments are delineated very well for a Hendrix recording. Drums, bass, guitar, and vocals all have their own space present in the sound stage. There isn't a massive glob of sound with all instruments melded together in a distortion cloud. Listening to Mitch Mitchell tap on the cymbals delicately followed by smashing the heck out of them and again gently tapping them at the close of Stone Free, one can hear minute details and a fine shimmer of the made in Massachusetts Zildjian bronze. Likewise on Crying Blue Rain, it's not the ever-present Hendrix guitar that surprised me, rather it's the delicate percussion. Percussionist Rocky Dzidzornu is tapping the congas in the background and the sound has depth and texture even though it's not in the forefront. The unamplified congas sound very nice amongst the electrified guitar everyone expects to hear on a Hendrix track. These are fine details that some systems simply can't reproduce very well. I believe the microRendu's, with low noise being a hallmark of its design, is enabling the rest of my system to shine by delivering a pristine signal.

     

    CA reader note: Rocky Dzidzornu also played the congas on The Rolling Stones' Sympathy for the Devil.

     

    With Hendrix on the brain, I spent time listening to a very rare album called The Undertaker from Prince. On this album Prince's inner-Hendrix comes out in full force. The man can play guitar. Period. Track one titled The Ride has an opening guitar and bass grove that's crystal clear and fabulous. The lyrics to this track are classic Prince, about liking to watch etc..., but the musicianship is also classic Prince. In fact, I've never heard him play more guitar than on this album. The Undertaker album is pretty dynamically compressed, but through this system I haven't heard it sound better. That's what this hobby is all about, getting the most out of what one has in terms of music, not getting the most out of music for which one doesn't care. Prince gets his Hendrix on throughout The Ride and most of the album in an awesome display of musical genius. On the title track there's a great clean bass line from the beginning, and about 3:11 into the track an electric guitar comes in sounding, for lack of a better description, crazy and strange. The sound is striking, almost frightening because the listener is lulled into a daze by the drum and bass up to this point in the track. Prince's guitar comes in strikingly, sounding so live, raw, and real.

     

    CA reader note: Member of the CA Community and frequenter of audio shows around the world joelha first introduced The Undertaker album to me this year. I owe a big thank you to Joel for this introduction. A little note about this album from Wikipedia, "This recording was made in a continuous single live-in-the-studio pass in collaboration with NPG drummer Michael Bland and bassist Sonny T.. Prince originally intended to give this live CD away free with 1,000 copies of Guitar Player magazine in 1994 (uploading an original The Undertaker CD to iTunes, shows the year 1995 as the year the CD was "released"), but he was reportedly barred by Warner Bros. from doing so. Copies were leaked and bootlegged. The songs were guitar-heavy versions of rock and blues numbers, including a cover of The Rolling Stones' "Honky Tonk Women" and new recording of "Bambi" (originally from 1979's Prince). The title track was a cover of a song previously given to Mavis Staples, while "The Ride", "Zannalee", and "Dolphin" would all be re-recorded future releases. A video recording of the performance was released in Europe (on VHS and Laserdisc) with small edits throughout the performance and "Dolphin" replaced by the audio track from the official video of the song from The Gold Experience."

     

    Back to the music of The Purple One, on the album A Tribute To Joni Mitchell, Prince covers A Case Of You. Prince's vocal sounds so authentic, his high pitch juxtaposed with his deep vocals that come and go, sound so engaging. The hammer strikes of the piano on this track sound like the piano is right in the room. Not the most ambiance around the piano notes, but the transients are terrific. Even though Prince skips the opening lyrics, this track is a must-listen. On Nothing Compares To You (Live) from Prince's The Hits (Disc 1) album, this normally lackluster sounding track still sucks the listener into the live performance featuring Rosie Gains on vocals with Prince. Like everything else I've listened to since I placed the microRendu in my system, I don't believe I've heard this track sound better.

     

    One additional Prince performance that requires mentioning is While My Guitar Gently Weeps with Tom Petty, Jeff Lynne, Steve Winwood, Dhani Harrison (George's Son). This is one of the greatest guitar solos I've ever heard. I was very happy to find this one on Tidal, after seeing it on YouTube many times since Prince's death April 21, 2016. Throughout the track Prince can be heard making his guitar wail, but his solo starting at 3:30 is the stuff of legend. It gave me goose bumps to crank the solo up at high volume on this system with the microRendu, Alpha DAC RS2, Constellation amplifiers, and TAD loudspeakers. Sure it's not the best recording, but it's emotional as hell and this system brings out the emotion as good if not better than anything I've ever heard in my listening room.

     

    Keeping with the guitar spirit, I switched to Stevie Ray Vaughan's version of Little Wing on the Mobile Fidelity release of The Sky Is Crying. Sure one can hear his tube amp buzzing off and on throughout the track, but the sound of his guitar is enough to turn anyone into an SRV groupie. Through my system, each new note was better than the previous note as Stevie goes from heavy yet sweet sounding notes to a cooled down, I know I'm damn good, type of style about four minutes into the track. One can almost feel the texture of his strings as he slides his hand up and down the neck of the guitar. The sound of this track sucks the listener in so much, that one can virtually see the sweat dripping off Stevie's head, as he shook it back and fourth while bending the notes, and one can almost smell the smoke that would have been in the air had this been recorded in a small blues club during the 1980s. It's this kind of music and emotion that I long for when I power on my HiFi, not the sterile, lifeless, "perfect" performance by some goodie-two-shoes virtuoso and released in 22.2 surround at 32/384. Without question the microRendu enables the dirt and grime of rock and roll and the emotion of the blues to ooze through one's components and out through the loudspeakers.

     

     

     

    Conclusion

     

     

    cash-logo-black-thumb.jpgThe Sonore microRendu is the hottest piece of hardware in HiFi. It's versatile while avoiding the jack of all trades moniker. The mR was custom designed and built to deliver USB audio in the most pristine way possible, and it accomplishes this goal magnificently. Versatile software with uncompromising inflexible hardware is a great combination. There is one way in and one way out, Ethernet to USB. Don't like it, move on. Those willing to try the microRendu will likely be as impressed as I am. With the mR in my system, I'm getting the best sound I've ever heard in my house. That said, it may not be the best "source" available because all components are user and system dependent. Users seeking local storage, network-less audio, and a software/hardware solution from a single vendor must look elsewhere. Everyone else should seek out the microRendu without apprehension. The ultra low noise bespoke design of this unit, a micro computer designed for audio only, has lead to some amazing listening experiences for me over the last several weeks. From the beautiful distortion of Hendrix to the simplistic vocals and whisper soft trumpet of Chet Baker, the microRendu enabled all the music to shine in its best light. I don't believe I've had a sonically better source connected to my system at any time.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    Product Information:

     

    • Product - Sonore microRendu
    • Price - $640, power supplies tested iFi iPower - $49, Sonore Signature Series - $1,399
    • Product Pages - microRendu Link
    • User Manual - Link
    • FAQs - Link
    • Sonore CA Forum - Link
    • Where To Buy - Link

     

     

     

     

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    I think you've got the wrong end of the stick - AFAIK, Distinctive is talking about Amir, not Chris.

     

    Wow. If that's true, I apologize, Distinctive.

     

    Thanks for the correction, mmerill99.

     

    Joel

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    It would be one thing if the rendu wasn't also backed up by numerous user rave reviews not just here but elsewhere. I'm always suspicious of people who don't see the actual listening of music as the end game, but rather a means to pick apart the work of others who do. In photography there's a site that tests and rates the raw sensors of cameras. Of course this gets you only so far - there are a lot of other factors involved in making a great image, most of which can't be tested.

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    BTW, John took a look at the graphs Amir published with the iFi SMPS and based on the nature of it, believes that most likely Amir is using a single-ended input and probe on his AP unit and that what is being seen is the leakage current of the iFi (all SMPS have caps that couple to AC ground and you get about 49 volts of between the mains ground and the DC output ground). His test system is tied into this and in a sense injecting/conducting the noise into the DAC since the devices are all tied together. If he would use a balanced input and probe with his Audio Precision system that crap would likely go away.

    I am sure John will come and explain it a bit better.

     

    This is not the first time Amir has made this sort of error (cough, REGEN, cough) with measurement grounding set up. So many people seem to think that all one needs to make good measurements is a fancy system and probes--when the truth is, it takes skill and understanding, especially when you are trying to measure very low level signals.

     

    But as I said before, whatever he is measuring is not going to tell anyone a thing about how the product sounds.

     

    I think I mentioned elsewhere (just after Chris un-redacted some of the tech stuff with Jesus's okay) that when John sat in my room and loaded the code into the MicroRendu to enable the "clock injection" (feeding the low-jitter USB hub clock back into the processor board so its USB sub-system would fund from it), my jaw dropped to the floor. What changed will likely never be able to be readily measured (or correlated to what was heard) at the output. In fact it would probably take a dedicated $100K jitter analyzer to even get close to probing in the right spot to be able to point to the change. But it took less than 10 seconds to hear it--and it is just one of many refinements that make the MicroRendu rise above other streamers/renderers/servers/computers for audio.

     

    --Alex C.

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    I've had the microRendu running for 24 hours now and it sounds fantastic. It took another leap forward today when I went from a 9v iFi power supply to the Uptone Audio JS-2 set at 7v.

     

    In Chris' review(part 2) he talks about the Sonore Signature PS developed by Barrows Worm and Adrian Lebena. The Sonore website talks about the SSPS as being tuned specially for the microRendu. Further, Sonore sells the SSPS with an additional Synergistic Research fuse upgrade option which adds an additional 190 USD to the base price of 1399 USD. I have no plans to outlay any money on a new power supply but I wonder what kind of sound difference would be expected in going from the JS-2 to the SSPS with or without the SR fuse upgrade. At this point the JS-2 is looking more and more like a bargain, particularly given its extra inputs.

     

    I mean no disrespect to Barrows or Adrian and what I'm certain is an outstanding product; I just wonder what delta in performance is received for a not insignificant delta in price.

     

    Esau

     

    Esau,

     

    There really is no valid way I am aware of to quantify the possible difference in performance between a supply such as the JS-2 and the Sonore Signature Power Supply (SPS) when being used to power the µRendu. Remember also that any performance delta will be system dependent: the better the system, the bigger the differences will be, as higher resolution will reveal more difference. I have not personally inspected, tested, or listened to a JS-2, so I cannot speculate on how it might sound with the µRendu vs. the SPS. All I can say is that the SPS was specifically designed to allow the µRendu to operate as best as it possibly can, and not as a general purpose power supply for powering many different things.

    Technically speaking, the SPS does use a very, very good discrete regulator, which I am almost certain has significantly less noise and faster response than what is used in the JS-2; but without a direct comparison of both units powering the µRendu, I would not speculate on how either might sound.

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    BTW, John took a look at the graphs Amir published with the iFi SMPS and based on the nature of it, believes that most likely Amir is using a single-ended input and probe on his AP unit and that what is being seen is the leakage current of the iFi (all SMPS have caps that couple to AC ground and you get about 49 volts of between the mains ground and the DC output ground). His test system is tied into this and in a sense injecting/conducting the noise into the DAC since the devices are all tied together. If he would use a balanced input and probe with his Audio Precision system that crap would likely go away.

    I am sure John will come and explain it a bit better.

     

    This is not the first time Amir has made this sort of error (cough, REGEN, cough) with measurement grounding set up. So many people seem to think that all one needs to make good measurements is a fancy system and probes--when the truth is, it takes skill and understanding, especially when you are trying to measure very low level signals.

     

    But as I said before, whatever he is measuring is not going to tell anyone a thing about how the product sounds.

     

    I think I mentioned elsewhere (just after Chris un-redacted some of the tech stuff with Jesus's okay) that when John sat in my room and loaded the code into the MicroRendu to enable the "clock injection" (feeding the low-jitter USB hub clock back into the processor board so its USB sub-system would fund from it), my jaw dropped to the floor. What changed will likely never be able to be readily measured (or correlated to what was heard) at the output. In fact it would probably take a dedicated $100K jitter analyzer to even get close to probing in the right spot to be able to point to the change. But it took less than 10 seconds to hear it--and it is just one of many refinements that make the MicroRendu rise above other streamers/renderers/servers/computers for audio.

     

    --Alex C.

     

    So where are your measurements? You can pre-empt such issues if you showed some of your own measurements.

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    So where are your measurements? You can pre-empt such issues if you showed some of your own measurements.

    That sounds like a good route, but I'm not so sure the ultra-skeptics wouldn't run their own measurements anyway. The skepticism with HiFi runs far too deep for die hard objectivists to accept a company's measurements.

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    BTW, John took a look at the graphs Amir published with the iFi SMPS and based on the nature of it, believes that most likely Amir is using a single-ended input and probe on his AP unit and that what is being seen is the leakage current of the iFi (all SMPS have caps that couple to AC ground and you get about 49 volts of between the mains ground and the DC output ground). His test system is tied into this and in a sense injecting/conducting the noise into the DAC since the devices are all tied together. If he would use a balanced input and probe with his Audio Precision system that crap would likely go away.

    I am sure John will come and explain it a bit better.

     

    This is not the first time Amir has made this sort of error (cough, REGEN, cough) with measurement grounding set up. So many people seem to think that all one needs to make good measurements is a fancy system and probes--when the truth is, it takes skill and understanding, especially when you are trying to measure very low level signals.

     

    But as I said before, whatever he is measuring is not going to tell anyone a thing about how the product sounds.

     

    I think I mentioned elsewhere (just after Chris un-redacted some of the tech stuff with Jesus's okay) that when John sat in my room and loaded the code into the MicroRendu to enable the "clock injection" (feeding the low-jitter USB hub clock back into the processor board so its USB sub-system would fund from it), my jaw dropped to the floor. What changed will likely never be able to be readily measured (or correlated to what was heard) at the output. In fact it would probably take a dedicated $100K jitter analyzer to even get close to probing in the right spot to be able to point to the change. But it took less than 10 seconds to hear it--and it is just one of many refinements that make the MicroRendu rise above other streamers/renderers/servers/computers for audio.

     

    --Alex C.

    Hi Alex,

     

    If there was such problem with iFi Power, the same testing setup in later measurement with different PS - I assume that the testing setup was exactly the same - gave a better result, although not particularly favorable to microRendu (same result with/our mR).

     

    However, I do not want to get into that though. I agree with you that until a dynamic signal (like music) is measured one is "not going to tell anyone a thing about how the product sounds." Same thing applies to Atkinson.

     

    If the insertion of a microRendu creates a jaw drop, as you claim, the signal variation is for sure measurable. ...at least by me :)

    I offered my services - and I do not have any hidden agenda or interest involved - if one wants to grab the chance. ...Otherwise it seems to me that one prefers to keep the situation "foggy", one way or the other.

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    So where are your measurements? You can pre-empt such issues if you showed some of your own measurements.

     

    He doesn't do any, but he "reckons it sounds good" anyway. :)

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    I think you've got the wrong end of the stick - AFAIK, Distinctive is talking about Amir, not Chris.

    Feels good to clear this one up :)

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    Feels good to clear this one up :)
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    Now just have to clear up the uRendu fiasco :)

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    So where are your measurements? You can pre-empt such issues if you showed some of your own measurements.

     

    That sounds like a good route, but I'm not so sure the ultra-skeptics wouldn't run their own measurements anyway. The skepticism with HiFi runs far too deep for die hard objectivists to accept a company's measurements.

     

    When manufacturers do give spec's they are usually accurate, but may be stated in misleading ways or with parameter details that the average consumer doesn't understand. Like the 300 wpc AVR that measures with one channel driven at 1% distortion, or the old trick of stating a "instantaneous peak power" as the output.

    If the rated spec's are incomplete or non-existent, you can be sure they're hiding something or just trying to sell on their subjective marketing spin.

    You have the "skeptical" objective community to thank for shinig a light into the darkness of the subjective "trust my ears only" community.

    "David Copperfield made that 747 disappear right off the runway, I saw it with my own eyes so it really happened"! :)

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    So where are your measurements? You can pre-empt such issues if you showed some of your own measurements.

    Puleeeeeeze...... Ughhhh!!!

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    Esau,

     

    There really is no valid way I am aware of to quantify the possible difference in performance between a supply such as the JS-2 and the Sonore Signature Power Supply (SPS) when being used to power the µRendu. Remember also that any performance delta will be system dependent: the better the system, the bigger the differences will be, as higher resolution will reveal more difference. I have not personally inspected, tested, or listened to a JS-2, so I cannot speculate on how it might sound with the µRendu vs. the SPS. All I can say is that the SPS was specifically designed to allow the µRendu to operate as best as it possibly can, and not as a general purpose power supply for powering many different things.

    Technically speaking, the SPS does use a very, very good discrete regulator, which I am almost certain has significantly less noise and faster response than what is used in the JS-2; but without a direct comparison of both units powering the µRendu, I would not speculate on how either might sound.

     

    barrows, thanks for the thorough reply. So it appears that the discrete regulator and the design of the SPS with only the microRendu in mind are the objective upgrades over the JS-2. My modest living room system is still very resolving, however, given the general phasing out of brick and mortar audio shops I don't see where I would be likely to compare the two power supplies in my own home.

     

    I'm not sure if Chris has access to a JS-2 to make the comparison(or, for that matter, if that is something that he would care to do at this point), however, it would be great to at some point read a review where the comparison is made.

     

    I also wonder if Jesus has any direct experience with both power supplies given that he includes specs on the Sonore website for setting up the microRendu with the JS-2. That may, however, be a recommendation solely based on specs provided on the Uptone Audio website.

     

    In any regard, I am happy to see that Sonore describes a range of power supply options for buyers to choose based on their interests in and abilities to make smaller or larger financial investments in the microRendu.

     

    Esau

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    Puleeeeeeze...... Ughhhh!!!

     

    I wonder how many of those shouting the loudest about scientific measurements have ever tried any measurements themselves.

     

    It is bloody difficult, forget about the expense of accurate testing equipment!

     

    And at the same time they often discount one of the most sensitive bits of testing kit anyone here has for free...

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    When manufacturers do give spec's they are usually accurate, but may be stated in misleading ways or with parameter details that the average consumer doesn't understand. Like the 300 wpc AVR that measures with one channel driven at 1% distortion, or the old trick of stating a "instantaneous peak power" as the output.

    If the rated spec's are incomplete or non-existent, you can be sure they're hiding something or just trying to sell on their subjective marketing spin.

    You have the "skeptical" objective community to thank for shinig a light into the darkness of the subjective "trust my ears only" community.

    "David Copperfield made that 747 disappear right off the runway, I saw it with my own eyes so it really happened"! :)

    Yup Everyone here owns amplifiers that are measured at 1% distortion using peak power. In fact Colby is one of most popular brands in this forum. We really need people to enlighten us and bring us to the promised land. We must thank the measurement guru for all he has done.

     

    The only darkness in this scenario is the dishonesty of the fool with his distortion analyzer, and the few sad individuals who blindly follow him.

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    We must thank the measurement guru for all he has done.

    .

     

    Your very welcome Bob! And not to worry, we will continue advance the science of audio thru measurement and sound engineering for the greater good of everyone. All else is gaslight. ;)

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    I wonder how many of those shouting the loudest about scientific measurements have ever tried any measurements themselves.

     

    It is bloody difficult, forget about the expense of accurate testing equipment!

     

    And at the same time they often discount one of the most sensitive bits of testing kit anyone here has for free...

    In my ears, I trust.

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    "David Copperfield made that 747 disappear right off the runway, I saw it with my own eyes so it really happened"! :)

     

    In my ears, I trust.

     

    Our senses are the least reliable indicator to put your trust in. If you test your ears judgement by submitting them to bias controled blind testing and comparing the result with that of many other trained listeners, you might have a chance of getting supportable results.

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    Our senses are the least reliable indicator to put your trust in. If you test your ears judgement by submitting them to bias controled blind testing and comparing the result with that of many other trained listeners, you might have a chance of getting supportable results.

    Won't waste any more of my time with this circular whatever-it-is. Adios.

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    Our senses are the least reliable indicator to put your trust in. If you test your ears judgement by submitting them to bias controled blind testing and comparing the result with that of many other trained listeners, you might have a chance of getting supportable results.

     

    Are you forgetting that we're listening to music here?

     

    What I'm striving for is whatever makes my music sound better. To me. And my ears.

     

    I'm not looking for "supportable results."

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    Are you forgetting that we're listening to music here?

     

    What I'm striving for is whatever makes my music sound better. To me. And my ears.

     

    I'm not looking for "supportable results."

     

    That's fine and a perfectly acceptable position. Personal tastes are whole different thing than High Fidelity.

    It's when folks make claims of some component or widget being "better or more accurate to the source" that the supposition will be questioned. Then you need to provide evidence.

    Ciao

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    That's fine and a perfectly acceptable position. Personal tastes are whole different thing than High Fidelity.

    It's when folks make claims of some component or widget being "better or more accurate to the source" that the supposition will be questioned. Then you need to provide evidence.

    Ciao

     

    Good point, and I mostly agree. Especially regarding a claim that something is more accurate to the source than something else...

     

    I am ok calling something better based on my ears, though.

     

    For instance, I have heard the microRendu and have also heard many laptops.

     

    I have a hard time believing that Amir's HP laptop could ever be better than the microRendu, if good sound is what you're after (despite what his or anyone else's measurements say).

     

    Take care.

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    Good point, and I mostly agree. Especially regarding a claim that something is more accurate to the source than something else...

     

    I am ok calling something better based on my ears, though.

     

    For instance, I have heard the microRendu and have also heard many laptops.

     

    I have a hard time believing that Amir's HP laptop could ever be better than the microRendu, if good sound is what you're after (despite what his or anyone else's measurements say).

     

    Take care.

    Sure but better to you may be horrid to the next guy, strictly a personal preference.

     

    As to sound quality I believe Amir's position is that the device introduced no audible change, not that anything sounded any better than anything else.

    Any References to "better" were to measured performances.

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    Hi Chris. Thanks for in depth review. You said recently that you had received some gear from iFi for review. Did the submitted items include a iFi DC iPurifier? If so I wonder if you would be kind enough to put it in series with the iFi iPower PSU supplied with the microRendu and report your findings please? Thanks.

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    That sounds like a good route, but I'm not so sure the ultra-skeptics wouldn't run their own measurements anyway. The skepticism with HiFi runs far too deep for die hard objectivists to accept a company's measurements.

     

    Spot On Chris! Everytime I have seen someone actually post measurements which showed some performance advantage that the "objectivists" denied could be possible, the objectivists then attacked the method of the measurements, saying they could not be true. It is not really worth the time and money involved to do these kinds of measurements for public consumption when the public is generally so emotionally invested in their own point of view, whether objective or subjective.

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