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    Peachtree Audio deepblue Review

    thumb0.pngHow do I review this product without sounding like a book of audiophile adjectives exploded on my keyboard? The Peachtree Audio deepblue music system will likely be reviewed countless times and have more HiFi one-liners written about it than I've ever heard. To use an idiomatic phrase I guess it is what it is. deepblue is a surprisingly better product than I thought could come from its smallish size. There are only so many ways to rearrange drivers in a small chassis. Most products like this offer different spins on the same thing. Average performance using average components sold at above average prices. The deepblue music system offers much better performance than I've heard from anything in its class and at a better price than even commodity components from giants of this industry. A $399 product that sounds this good and is very easy to use is a dream come true for audiophiles looking to spread the word about our wonderful hobby. Take note, the new HiFi ambassador to the world is here and its name is deepblue.

     

     

     

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    The deepblue Music System

     

    Call it what you will the deepblue Bluetooth Music System, or simply deepblue, looks like a few dozen other products currently on the market. That's where the similarities end. Peachtree Audio didn't create a "me too" product just to throw its hat into the ring of table top audio. Peachtree worked with highly respected engineers in both analog and digital audio on this ground-up design. The somewhat visible elements, behind the speaker grill, are what most people will immediately see. deepblue's 6.5" long excursion bass driver is complemented by two 3" inverted aluminum cone mid-range drivers and two 1" soft dome tweeters with ¾” voice coils. deepblue supplies 240 watts of power to the drivers in this active design with the help of a very substantial power supply.

     

    The element of deepblue that people don't see, even though it can make or break a component's sound quality, is the Digital Signal Processor (DSP). Peachtree's DSP engineers worked their magic on deepblue and it really shows (sounds). deepblue features Proprietary Volume Equalization that adjusts the frequency response automatically to provide the best sound quality when listening at low levels. On the opposite end deepblue employs digital compressors to prevent the amplifiers from clipping and producing audible distortion through the speakers at high volume. Peachtree took the Apple approach by making a few decisions for the end users and preventing them from having a less than desirable experience with the product.

     

    deepblue features two connection methods or inputs. One wired 3.5mm stereo input located on the rear of the device is nice to have but is obviously not what makes deepblue so enticing. The other input is via A2DP Bluetooth. Almost every phone, tablet, and computer with Bluetooth support will work with deepblue. Measurement freaks and spec specialists may be sighing at the site of A2DP rather than AptX. But, I challenge them to listen to deepblue and complain about A2DP. Sure, it would be nice if deepblue supported other Bluetooth capabilities or even high resolution but that's not the point of this device. Another cool capability of deepblue is AVRCP device control. Devices like the iPhone support AVRCP thus can be controlled by deepblue's remote. Selecting track back/forward or play/pause from the deepblue remote will pass the command through deepblue on to the iPhone or similar AVRCP device enabling this passthrough control.

     

     

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    deepblue The Ambassador

     

    thumb3.pngI don't remember ever having a product at home for review that has impressed more people that deepblue. Right now I have a dCS Vivaldi stack worth nearly $70,000 that only delivers digital audio to my preamp or amplifier. This stack provides over the top sounds quality and impresses me every day I spend listening to my system. However, it fails to impress civilians (non-audiophiles) after I mention the price. deepblue on the other hand has impressed every person who has entered my house since it arrived a few weeks ago. This includes my wife, mother, mother-in-law, father-in-law, etc… Even my one year old daughter is attracted to the blue lights. What's more, the deepblue is positioned in my living room, just inside the entry way, enabling us to use it all the time. When my daughter wakes up in the morning I bring her downstairs and play little music I'd like her to like (Miles Davis or Pearl Jam), then I play Bruno Mars and she dances like there's no tomorrow. Not quite into the nuances of high end audio my daughter loves bass. deepblue's remote features buttons to adjust the bass for different tracks or depending on the location of the unit. It's nice to crank up the bass for my daughter and bring it back down of myself.

     

    After my daughter leaves for the day I frequently beam The Adam Carolla Show podcast from my iPhone to deepblue. Great sound is great sound whether it's a podcast or wind symphony. Readers who haven't heard their favorite non-audio programs through a great system should really give it a shot. Not only will it sound better, but a system like deepblue enables listening at lower volume levels because everything is much clearer than other playback options.

     

    Over the last few weeks I've played countless albums and tracks through deepblue. Some music was stored in a lossless format on my MacBook Pro but most was streamed from services like MOG, Rdio, Spotify, and Pandora at varying MP3 bit rates. I frequently thought of tracks during the day and wondered how they'd sound through deepblue. Connecting through Bluetooth is beyond easy so I was able to think of a track and pay that track within seconds. The slowest part of the equation was me and my ability to type into MOG or the other streaming apps. No after what music I put through deepblue I was impressed by the sound quality. deepblue produces sound that's far larger its physical size. All may favorites, both audiophile and civilian music, were very enjoyable via deepblue. An additional variable is how this music sounds in other environments as the soundtrack to our lives. While making dinner, watching my daughter, having friends over, etc… music takes on a whole new meaning. When this music sounds great the meaning can be even more powerful to those of us who care about sound quality.

     

    A final story about how good deepblue sounds and how the new HiFi ambassador (deepblue) speaks to people. My father-in-law is a truck driver who is home mainly on the weekends. Once in awhile he'll create a list of music he wants to hear on my main audio system. When he came over last week he had just heard ZZ Top play La Grange on Howard Stern and wanted to hear it through my Spectral / TAD system. This time I suggested we stay in the living room with the rest of the family and crank it on deepblue. The first thing he noticed was the great sound quality from such a small device. Soon after he asked what all civilians ask, "what's that cost?" When I told him $399 he was surprised mainly because everything else in my house is more expensive than an automobile. He didn't jump for joy at the price because he's a pretty reserved guy. What I did see from him was a look of satisfaction that this level of sound quality and ease of use was attainable. If he wanted deepblue in his house, or even truck, he wouldn't have to circle the globe in his truck just to cover the sales tax on the unit.

     

     

    Conclusion

    cash-logo-black-thumb.jpgPeachtree Audio's deepblue music system will impress all but the most jaded audiophiles. deepblue may not be for everyone, just 99.9% of us who enjoy music that sounds good for a good price. Peachtree's use of DSP to compliment it's amplifier and driver design has elevated deepblue beyond the competition in this crowded market. It's the best small table top type of audio device I've heard to date. deepblue also reminds me of the popular water cooler question, "what stereo should I buy?" The answer to this question is the best stereo one can buy is the stereo he listens to most. deepblue won't force people to listen to more music but at least it sets people up for success if listening to more music is their goal. When the ambassador speaks everyone listens, or can't stop listening. deepblue = CASH List = No Brainer.

     

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    • Product - Peachtree Audio deebblue Bluetooth Music System
    • Price - $399
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    Hi Eloise - I'm curious what devices you'd connect to deepblue via digital input. I can think of a few devices I have with digital output, but I wouldn't connect them to deepblue. Not judging here, just interested in other people's uses.

    The two main things I would think of connecting via digital to a Deepblue (or Zeppelin or Viso 1AP or Meridian F80)...

    1) a AirPort Express or another streaming device

    2) digital output from a television

     

    Eloise

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    I have a 1st gen Zeppelin in the bedroom and use it almost exclusively as an Apple TV zone player (rather that streamer). My main gripe was the heavy-handed DSP. I didn't quite "get it" until I tried the Vanatoo speakers in its place (which uses a very light, nuanced touch). Those active speakers have USB, optical and coax, as well as analogue inputs, fwiw.

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    I am considering the deepblue, Vanatoo and Teac LS-H265 to replace a pair of Audioengine 2 speakers in the Red room (computer, second floor) and like the idea of one speaker, no speaker wires, remote control volume and bluetooth or input from airport express as this is not the prime listening room. I ordered the deepblue and will report how it sounds.

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    I had the first and second generation zeppelin, the F-80 and M-80 in my bedroom. But the Mcintosh mcaire is in a different league...and this is from hearing it at the store. I can imagine it would sound better at home.

     

    Hopefully we can see a review of the Mcintosh mcaire in the future.

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    What's all the silliness about wanting a digital input for an Airport Express? Please (really), don't stick S/PDIF back into the chain. It's 2013!

     

    A major point of a semi-portable, lifestyle device in this touchscreen-pocket age is to be streamed to. Bluetooth is okay, but my first reaction (besides hey!, a cool company made a better sounding tabletop) was why not wi-fi, or at least ethernet. That's the least compromised and most direct path. It would sound better, work more reliably, and cost very little to add.

     

    The Peachtree guys are smart and sure considered the angles, so what might have precluded putting effort into a network connection for deepblue?

    The elephant in the room is AirPlay. We all know how perfectly wonderful that little rectangle with triangle icon is, popping up with ease to stream whatever we are playing, even multiple devices/rooms simultaneously. Idilic convenience and good quality/reliability.

    I have never seen what Apple charges for AirPlay licenses, but judging by other firms AirPlay and non-Airplay similar portables, there is generally a $150-$200 difference at retail. That jives with the $100 per license figures I may have read. One would think that larger firms are getting better terms, but still...

     

    So it is readily understandable that Peachtree went a different route. It's a great value, good sounding product, that likely costs them, as a smaller company, a LOT more to make than most others near the price.

     

    I'm a long time fan of Apple, but they have been enormously shortsighted on the AirPlay issue. The mistake is huge! Positively, many billions of dollars. Android might never had gained much marketshare. Sound, video, phones pads, sharing--that's the world. Think about if Apple had made AirPlay free or very affordable for all developers at introduction. Thousands of products would have AirPlay--instead of 100s--and they would cost less. We would stream A/V to devices that creative engineers never even had the opportunity to think of (and it likely would have kept up with the times for bit rates).

     

    So why do I think Apple missed world domontation by not opening up AirPlay? BECAUSE THE SENDING DEVICES (at least at the start--a few years ago) WOULD ALWAYS BE APPLE HARDWARE! We would use it like we drink, and everything/everyone would have adopted it.

     

    Sure, Apple has always been stubborn about having control and starting out closed. But to me, this almost like if they had never opened iOS to 3rd-party apps. Imagine that. Yet remember, that is how the iPhone started out. At announcement, and for about 9 months afterward, iOS apps were ALL to be provided by Apple. Look where the app world is now. As it stands, the revenue they earn from licensing AirPlay is a drop in their bucket...

    Let's face it, Steve (R.I.P.), got AirPlay wrong. I believe a lot of our daily media experiences would be different if they had gotten it right.

     

    END OF RANT----------

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    Quick Q, Chris et al. Would this deep blue single box solution be an upgrade on the sound quality over a pair of audioengine A2 speakers I have driving my modest desktop rig? I'd love to save a bit of physical space in my somewhat cluttered NYC set up, while also improving sound quality. For me, I'd be a bit old school and use an RCA to mini IC as this would be a base type station (and well, my ol desktop lacks Bluetooth anyway). Thanks very much.

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    Whoops, I see this device is not small -- actually 6" larger in width than my two little A2 speakers combined. If SQ is significantly higher, then it's a trade-off thing about size vs. SQ. I'd still appreciate any thoughts about SQ of the deepblue vs. A2, if anyone has made that comparison. thx

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    What's all the silliness about wanting a digital input for an Airport Express? Please (really), don't stick S/PDIF back into the chain. It's 2013!

     

    I can't believe you think this is silly. Give me a better option for steaming audio in an apple system (apple TV I know). If you don't think running a digital output to a DAC rather than analog out on an airport express you need to have your ears cleaned. I want to be able to access my one main library from any other device and click on the room I want it playing in adjust the volumes if needed. A digital input is much more desirable than letting the airplay devices convert the digital to analog. Otherwise you need a DAC there as well which is not to streamlined if you are looking for an all in one unit.

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    Hi satbox - deepblue is only available in the US. I see you are from Belgium. Something seems amiss.

     

    No, nothing abnormal. My home is in Belgium but I go regularly in the USA (New York) for my job.

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    What's all the silliness about wanting a digital input for an Airport Express? Please (really), don't stick S/PDIF back into the chain. It's 2013!

    Its only silly if the device does exactly what you want.

     

    As I saw what about if you have a TV in the bedroom? What about AirPlay (accepting that Peachtree decided not to add AirPlay to the device)? What about audio from your office computer? What about some future development that the deepBlue doesn't support?

     

    To me it's silly that you have a speaker system relying on DSP, and the only input (except for the BlueTooth) is analogue!

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    Its only silly if the device does exactly what you want.

     

    +1

     

    My potential use, for example, would be to replace the Zep I have in the conservatory with Professor Plum and the candlestick which is connected to AppleTV. In fact I also have a TV there, so if anything I'd want two digital inputs, not just one. FWIW I like the sound of the Zep, but I don't feel any particular loyalty to it so I'd happily replace it with a better sounding equivalent.

     

    So in my situation, bluetooth streaming actually seems like a novelty extra, it doesn't make sense to me as the core around which to build a product like the Deepblue.

     

    Of course it could also be fair to admit that I might be stuck in a particular way of thinking. Still, if anyone at Peachtree is listening, a digital input would transform me from interested bystander to potential buyer.

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    I can't believe you think this is silly. Give me a better option for steaming audio in an apple system (apple TV I know). If you don't think running a digital output to a DAC rather than analog out on an airport express you need to have your ears cleaned. I want to be able to access my one main library from any other device and click on the room I want it playing in adjust the volumes if needed. A digital input is much more desirable than letting the airplay devices convert the digital to analog. Otherwise you need a DAC there as well which is not to streamlined if you are looking for an all in one unit.

     

    I get the feeling that not many read my rant that followed my first sentence about S/PDIF being a silly choice to add.

    My point was that the digital input all modern devices need to have is a network input. The way an Airport Express would be used with this product (aside from as a AirPlay ethernet DAC if you used the analog input)--if it had an S/PDIF input--would be as an Ethernet>S/PDIF bridge. Not only is that more circuitry--and an extra box/$--which could be built into the speaker system at about the same cost as the S/PDIF input, and would sound better, but what else besides an AE would someone possibly want to plug into said S/PDIF? It is a tabletop device. Would you use it with a TV? Would you use it with a computer? (USB would be good for that) No, we want to "beam/stream" music to it!

     

    This is not Peachtree's fault, it's Apple's (see my rant about closed/expensive AirPlay). So short of the expense of making deepblue a DLNA/UPnP renderer (another pain), or paying a fortune to Apple for a per unit AirPlay license, they correctly chose the one transmission system that is truly an open standard and built into virtually every controller/source: Bluetooth.

     

    By the way, do we know what DAC deepblue uses? If the one in the current Airport Express is better than the one in deepblue, then you really don't need a digital input after all.

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    I get the feeling that not many read my rant that followed my first sentence about S/PDIF being a silly choice to add.

    My point was that the digital input all modern devices need to have is a network input.

    Actually your "rant" is only half of my response... Even if Ethernet and AirPlay was implemented, lack of SPDIF still stops the use of things like a TV connection.

     

    Eloise

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    Hi Mark,

    Thanks for the kind words and love for the company. I believe you are the very first customer to receive their deepblue! I'm glad you are satisfied with the performance of the product and found a way to make it work for you with the Airport Express.

     

    Jon, I also received your amazing deepblue a couple of days ago. It sounds great for a device in this category.

     

    I stream music from my MacMini (at about 6 feet distance). With iTunes, everything works as expected, but I did not have any luck trying to use AudirvanaPlus as my music player. As a matter of fact, I got in trouble trying to use Audirvana. What happens is Audirvana shows message: "Initializing audio device" and the "beach ball" starts spinning endlessly. After that I can not quit Audirvana and/or iTunes, even by force-quitting. I can not even shut off my computer in a normal way, except by holding the power button for 10 seconds. Is there any advise you can give me, except for contacting the Audirvana makers?

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    I stream music from my MacMini (at about 6 feet distance). With iTunes, everything works as expected, but I did not have any luck trying to use AudirvanaPlus as my music player.

     

    I can't address your problem, but I am curious: Are you streaming to deepblue using Bluetooth or with an analog cable? If via Bluetooth, do you really expect Audirvana (of which I am a big fan on my big rig) to help the sound of Bluetooth? I admit that I don't know anything about what processing/compression, etc. is done to audio when sent over Bluetooth.

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    I can't address your problem, but I am curious: Are you streaming to deepblue using Bluetooth or with an analog cable? If via Bluetooth, do you really expect Audirvana (of which I am a big fan on my big rig) to help the sound of Bluetooth? I admit that I don't know anything about what processing/compression, etc. is done to audio when sent over Bluetooth.

    I stream over Bluetooth.

     

    As to my expectations for improving the sound with the help of Audirvana, I did not have any. I simply tried to use it out of curiosity.

     

    But now that I think of it, indeed, I would expect Audirvana to help. Bluetooth is just a "vehicle" (or the "wheels", if you will). Audirvana is the "engine". So, in my (admittedly) non-expert mind, I would think that same improvements that happen within my wired setup, also apply to Bluetooth. Am I wrong? Could anybody shed some light on this subject - while addressing my problem discribed in my original post? Thanks...

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    If I am reading correctly, there is not a DAC inside the deepblue (the Digital Signal Processor is not a DAC as such). So the impressive result obtained by the review actually comes from some cheap computer soundcard, or am I missing something ?

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    If I am reading correctly, there is not a DAC inside the deepblue (the Digital Signal Processor is not a DAC as such). So the impressive result obtained by the review actually comes from some cheap computer soundcard, or am I missing something ?

     

    You're missing something :-)

     

    We only here analog. Thus the deepblue must contain a DAC if DSP is going on inside the device.

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    If I am reading correctly, there is not a DAC inside the deepblue (the Digital Signal Processor is not a DAC as such). So the impressive result obtained by the review actually comes from some cheap computer soundcard, or am I missing something ?

    The deep blue has a DAC.

     

    The audio will go

    Bluetooth input --> DSP --> DAC(s) --> amplifiers --> speakers

    or (for the analogue input)

    Analogue input --> ADC --> DSP --> DACs --> amplifiers --> speakers

     

    A DSP (as you say Digital Signal Processor) takes a digital signal and processes it to provide a digital signal tailored for each of the speakers within the deepBlue. Each of these digital signals needs converting to analogue before amplification (I'm assuming the deepBlue uses traditional analogue amplification).

     

    Eloise

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    I'm also curious about the comparison against the B&O range - I have the A7 which I have found to be truly excellent, again with comments and compliments coming from non-hi-fi guests.

     

    Since taking the plunge for an Apple router (OK, the Timecapsule) I have found the airplay system to be fantastic, rock steady and reliable for both for audio alone and also for AV via the collection of Apple TV3's that seem to have bred like Mogwai in a rain storm...

     

    One advantage with airplay is that my portable device only has to power up one extra function (wi-fi) as opposed to the battery draining wi-fi and bluetooth combo.

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    Sorry I don't have a definitive answer on this. My guess is that it has to do with Core Audio and the routing of Bluetooth audio. I'd be curious to know what Audirvana says.

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    Does Audirvana work with Bluetooth? I didn't know that if it does. I do know that it makes a huge improvement over airplay. The only problem is it is very buggy and unreliable but when it's working it sounds incredible

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    Does Audirvana work with Bluetooth? I didn't know that if it does. I do know that it makes a huge improvement over airplay. The only problem is it is very buggy and unreliable but when it's working it sounds incredible

     

    Could you please elaborate on that ? My understanding before your remark was that Bluetooth uses compression while Airplay is lossless (for 16/44 and 16/48 material I think) and therefore superior in sound quality, at least in principle.

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    Could you please elaborate on that ? My understanding before your remark was that Bluetooth uses compression while Airplay is lossless (for 16/44 and 16/48 material I think) and therefore superior in sound quality, at least in principle.

     

    I mean to say that Audirvana via Airplay sounds incredible. If Audirvana works with Bluetooth I was not aware of that. If it does it is worth checking out since any time in my systems I have applied Audirvana the sound was amazingly improved.

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    I just don't understand what all the fuss is about concerning the Peachtree Audio deepblue powered speaker system.

     

    I see on Crutchfield this is billed as "Audiophile Bluetooth Speaker System". So, right off the bat, I'm skeptical because I know for a matter of fact that the Bluetooth wireless specification is NOT up to the task of producing audiophile-quality sound. It's just not possible because of the following issues:

     

    "Bluetooth is a protocol allowing low power devices to communicate wireless.With a nominal bandwidth of 3 Mbit/s (2.1 + EDR) it is not suit for bit perfect audio.

    Due to this limitation it is not possible to send CD quality audio (16 bits/44.1 kHz) over Bluetooth without applying lossy compression.

     

    Most of the time the A2DP (Advanced Audio Distribution Profile) protocol is used for audio.

    This profile limits the available maximum bit rate to 320kb/s for mono, and 512kb/s for two-channel modes."

     

    So, right off the bat the audio is compromised by using lossy compression to achieve the low-bitrate bluetooth audio transport spec.

     

    I figure, what the heck. I'll go to their website and they'll make me eat crow with their audiophile specifications for this $400.00 speaker-in-a-box system. Low and behold! No audiophile specs. No S/N Ratio, no THD specs. No efficiency ratings. I see this instead:

     

     

    • Power: 240-watt 5-channel amplifier
    • Frequency response: 40Hz-20kHz

     

    What's the rolloff over the range of those frequency specs? What's THD on those amps and how is the amplification split up between the tweeters, mids and woofer? What's the power handling of the speaker and what's the DB/watt efficiency. Those specs mean absolutely NOTHING if they are not qualified.

     

    How can any of you even consider this device without some kind of real-world audio specifications? It boggles my mind.

     

    This tells me this is NOT an audiophile device and that these guys at Peachtree are trying to ride the wave of millions of people who absolutely either have no knowledge of audio or what an audiophile device sounds like or they just don't care.

     

    They've been listening to crappy computer speakers and compressed MP3's or the like for so long they don't even know what high-quality audio coming out of some high quality equipment connected to high-quality speakers can sound like. Or maybe they're just too young to have experienced anything other than output from their smartphone.

    Either way, it's difficult for me to even believe someone here calling themselves the "Computer Audiophile" could gush all over this thing especially at the ridiculous price point.

     

    I see everybody falling all over themselves about this overpriced, under performing speaker device. My how the world of audio has tumbled if this is a device to be praised for it's outstanding sound quality.

     

    -- Bob

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