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    Definitive Guide: How To Copy Favorites and Playlists from Tidal to Qobuz

    The reign of Tidal for audiophiles here in the US is nearly over. Yes, I can't believe I wrote the words reign and Tidal in the same sentence, but it's true. Tidal has been the only lossless streaming service supported on high end platforms here in the US for several years. Hold your letters, calls, and emails to notify me about the lossless service offered by the Scottish Nose Whistle label streaming at 32 bit / 768 kHz. For all intents and purposes in the US it has been Tidal or nothing (unless you wisely subscribed to Qobuz by circumventing the geographic rules). 

     

    In preparation for the October release of Qobuz here in the US, a few of us at CA have been taking the service for a spin. So far, I love what I hear and see. However, the thought of switching from Tidal to Qobuz and manually marking nearly 1,000 albums as favorites again is too daunting. This is the point where everyone who purchases all their music laughs at me and says I told you so. 

     

    Anyway, those of us who are tightly interwoven with Tidal should rest easy. The service called Soundiiz has all of us covered for less than a cup of coffee. Soundiiz can synchronize playlists between services for those of us who subscribe to several. It can also do what many members of the CA Community will happily pay for, copy favorite artists, albums, tracks and playlists from one service to another (Tidal > Qobuz). 

     

    This is the part in the article where I tell all the Tidal users to bookmark this page for future reference. You'll switch to Qobuz (trust me) and this will save you so much time you can actually listen to your audio system rather than mess with a computer :~)

     

     

    Step By Step 

     

    First, signup for Soundiiz and pay the tiny bit extra for the Premium service that enables one to use the Platform to Platform feature.

     

    Second, connect both Tidal and Qobuz accounts within the Soundiiz site / app by clicking on them and selecting connect. Very simple. If you skip this step, there will be another chance to login when conducting the Tidal to Qobuz copy. 

     


    Select Platform to Platform Transfers from the left column, then select Let's Go.

     

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    Select Tidal as your source service.

     

     

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    If you didn't already login to Tidal, you'll get this popup window to do so.

     

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    Select Qobuz as your destination service.

     

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    Select which items you want to copy from Tidal to Qobuz. You can click the gear icon to specify within each category what you want to copy. Click Confirm My Selection when done. 

     

     

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    Make sure everything looks good and select Begin the Transfer.

     

     

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    You can watch the process or even leave the process and wait for an email from Soundiiz the the batch has completed. 


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    When everything is done you'll see the green bars up top and be able to scroll through your content for items that need further attention such as Not Found or partial playlists. 

     

     

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    That's really it. Soundiiz makes everything really easy. Now for some additional details.

     

     

     

    A Note About High Resolution

     

    Some of my albums from Tidal appear in Qobuz as the high resolution versions. This is a cool, possibly unintended feature of the transfer. One strange things happened with the transfer of Jose James' album yesterday I Had the Blues. I have it as a Tidal favorite, but the content is no longer available in Tidal. Soundiiz selected the 24/96 version of this album as my Qobuz version. Not the identical album, but I'll take it. A cursory look of my other albums shows several high resolution versions as Qobuz favorites (nothing to do with MQA).

     

    Here is a shot of my newly created favorites imported from Tidal.

     

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    Jose James album not found in Tidal

     

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    Qobuz has the high resolution version of the Jose James album favorited, even though this wasn't the version favorite in Tidal and Tidal no longer has the album available.

     

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    A Note On Not Found Albums


    Roughly 150 of 1,000 albums weren't found on Qobuz, but this could be the quality of the transfer software in finding the exact version or the fact that I favorited some special version in Tidal and only the standard version exists in Qobuz. Let's take a look.


    Th first album on my list of Not Founds is 12 Years A Slave. Searching both Tidal and Qobuz yields the exact same album with the exact same number of available tracks. Perhaps the fact that the entire album isn't available for streaming has something to do with this one not being identified by Soundiiz. 


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    Searching for Traffic's Mr. Fantasy that Tidal calls the Remastered Remasters, I see both album in both services. Unfortunately Soundiiz couldn't translate the funky title even though both albums have 22 tracks identically named. 

     

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    Finally, searching for The April Maze's album Recycled Soul yields the expected result. It's available in Tidal but not Qobuz, thus the Not Found identifier in Soundiiz. 


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    After looking over several more, it seems that there's a mix of truly unavailable albums, stranger named albums, and different versions of albums between the services. Hopefully Soundiiz will improve at matching the same albums with slightly different titles. 


    After the batch, as Soundiiz calls it, was complete I wanted to export a list of my Not Found albums. Or, at least export a list of albums so I could compare to see which one's I needed to look for in Qobuz. Souniiz's ability to export lists is less than stellar. 

    To view completed batches click on My Batches, then the three little dots on the right for details.

     

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    First, there's no way to export the entire list of items copied from Tidal to Qobuz. Even though it appears in a nice spreadsheet-looking format within Soundiiz, the site can't export this exact view. I tried to work around this limitation by exporting a list of all my albums. I figured the list would contain a single line of all the albums not found in Qobuz and a double line (listing one entry for Tidal and one for Qobuz) for the albums found on both services. This ended in disappointment as well because Soundiiz exports a strange csv file that doesn't separate the Artist and Album when imported into Google Sheets. However, upon closer inspection, one must manually specify the separator as a semicolon rather than a comma during the data import. For some reason, Soundiiz uses a semicolon in its "comma separated value" exports.  

     


    Playlist export

     

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    Albums export

     

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    If you don't click download this file, your web browser may just open the csv and it will look like this.

     

     

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    When you download the csv file and let Google decide what the separator is, the imported data looks like this

     

     

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    After telling Google to use a semicolon, the spreadsheet looks good and one can scroll through to find the non-duplicated rows. These are the row that are found in only Tidal as the duplicated rows show one row for Tidal and one for Qobuz. It would be much better if all the data visible on the batch screen was exported, but this will suffice. 

     

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    Lastly, I thought I could use the filters available within the Soundiiz site to only show the albums that weren't found in Qobuz. This wasn't the case. The one heading by which I needed to filter was called Score, but Soundiiz only enables filtering by Status and Types (artists, albums etc...). The only way I could get a logical list of items Not Found in Qobuz was to sort the Soundiiz batch by Score with Not Found on top. This enabled me to screenshot several pages of items that required further investigation. Far from ideal, but a first world problem indeed. 

     


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    Wrap Up

     

    Although Soundiiz isn't perfect, it's a huge time saver for those of us who've spent years curating a Tidal collection of favorites and playlists. I highly recommend using it if you value your time and if you have more than a couple dozen items you'd like to appear in Qobuz when you switch over from Tidal. 


     

     

     




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    37 minutes ago, rodrigaj said:

     

    Tidal has it's marketing preferences and I have mine.

     

    Which is why I ended my subscription to Tidal. No problem at all.

     

     

     

    No problem I guess.  But it would be puzzling to drop a service for that unless you just weren't enjoying the service overall with the music genres you care about.  The fact that we see hip hop artists promoted on Tidal since they are majority owned by hip hop artists shouldn't be a surprise.

     

    I mean, I don't move out of Nashville because I'm not a country fan. :)

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    The home screen marketing is a slight annoyance on the road (i use A+ at home) and they would be smart to market personalized music choices, but i'm surprised that so many are so quick to jump off a service that has provided us with the only CD-quality streaming in town for all this time. Not saying i won't check out (or switch to) Qobuz (full res is compelling), but the TIDAL animosity seems a bit high given the musical enjoyment so many of us have gotten from them vs. Apple or Spotify's mp3 streams. I know some folks don't like rap or MQA, but they offer both MQA and non-MQA versions of albums AND don't make you listen to hip-hop. I admit though, the meta data for classical too often IS a problem. Guess i'm just finding the TIDAL rancor a bit overheated. 

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    2 hours ago, Sevenfeet said:

     

    No problem I guess.  But it would be puzzling to drop a service for that unless you just weren't enjoying the service overall with the music genres you care about.  The fact that we see hip hop artists promoted on Tidal since they are majority owned by hip hop artists shouldn't be a surprise.

     

    I mean, I don't move out of Nashville because I'm not a country fan. :)

    You must not have read my previous post in this thread.

     

    Tidal has been truncating classical music track titles leaving meaningless titles.

     

    Also from another thread, Tidal has been streaming 96kbs on certain classical music labels without any indication prior to playing.

     

    I had been a Tidal subscriber since the first day they entered the USA market - so it's not as if I haven't given them a chance. I have submitted countless tickets to them regarding the track titles and not one album was changed. I also have enquired about the 96kbs albums and they have sent me form emails with no actions taken or explanations.

     

    So it's not because I dislike RAP or because I don't like naked women or because I'm a prude. That I could just ignore. It's when that takes precedence over everything else that I begin to feel that Tidal is service that is not suited to my needs.

     

    It's clear to me that I am not in the market segment that Tidal wishes to nourish, keep and expand. When I quit subscribing I  sent them a detailed explanation of why I was doing so. Never heard from them, they did not try to keep me, they simply don't care about my business.

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    2 minutes ago, rodrigaj said:

    You must not have read my previous post in this thread.

     

    Tidal has been truncating classical music track titles leaving meaningless titles.

     

    Also from another thread, Tidal has been streaming 96kbs on certain classical music labels without any indication prior to playing.

     

    I had been a Tidal subscriber since the first day they entered the USA market - so it's not as if I haven't given them a chance. I have submitted countless tickets to them regarding the track titles and not one album was changed. I also have enquired about the 96kbs albums and they have sent me form emails with no actions taken or explanations.

     

    So it's not because I dislike RAP or because I don't like naked women or because I'm a prude. That I could just ignore. It's when that takes precedence over everything else that I begin to feel that Tidal is service that is not suited to my needs.

     

    It's clear to me that I am not in the market segment that Tidal wishes to nourish, keep and expand. When I quit subscribing I  sent them a detailed explanation of why I was doing so. Never heard from them, they did not try to keep me, they simply don't care about my business.

     

    And that's all I needed to hear.  How these services deal with classical titles, metadata and the like is a subject of frequent debate and complaint, both here, at Roon, and elsewhere.  What you had written earlier was a bit puzzling to me but this explanation is better; thank you.

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    Chris- thanks again for great info-i had forgotten about soundiiz and am in process of transferring my 166 playlists to Qobuz(which i have had since at least 2013 with my address being Oneida New France which is what the Northeast would have been called if the French had won on the Plains of Abraham!)

    question- can i transfer all my FLAC/DVD-Audio ripped albums in my iTune library also to Qobuz? if so how? is it the same as Apple Music?

    thanks again bobbmd

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    Chris- thanks again for great info-i had forgotten about soundiiz and am in process of transferring my 166 playlists to Qobuz(which i have had since at least 2013 with my address being Oneida New France which is what the Northeast would have been called if the French had won on the Plains of Abraham!)

    question- can i transfer all my FLAC/DVD-Audio ripped albums in my iTune library also to Qobuz? if so how? is it the same as Apple Music?

    thanks again bobbmd

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    I restarted my premium subscription( yesterday 8/29) and attempted to transfer all my TIDAL playlists(166) everything went fine for a small number of playlists12 to be exact with a 63% to 100% transfer rate of songs/albums then it stopped! Soundizz says(via email to me and also on their desktop app) Qobuz removed itself from their platform because of 'internal Qobuz maintenance' do you or anyone else know what this means and when/if Qobuz will return? bobbmd

    Also I noticed the transfers I did get would not play through my Meridian Explorer 2 DAC but did play through my Schiit premulti-bit Gungnir DAC anyone else have similar problems? The sound quality is excellent by the way of the transfers to Qobuz desktop app- will have to see if they show up on A+3 no reason they shouldn't bobbmd

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    38 minutes ago, bobbmd said:

    I restarted my premium subscription( yesterday 8/29) and attempted to transfer all my TIDAL playlists(166) everything went fine for a small number of playlists12 to be exact with a 63% to 100% transfer rate of songs/albums then it stopped! Soundizz says(via email to me and also on their desktop app) Qobuz removed itself from their platform because of 'internal Qobuz maintenance' do you or anyone else know what this means and when/if Qobuz will return? bobbmd

    Also I noticed the transfers I did get would not play through my Meridian Explorer 2 DAC but did play through my Schiit premulti-bit Gungnir DAC anyone else have similar problems? The sound quality is excellent by the way of the transfers to Qobuz desktop app- will have to see if they show up on A+3 no reason they shouldn't bobbmd

     

    Earlier in the week Soundiiz did remove Qobuz while Qobuz was doing maintenance.  I would say over the next couple of weeks we are likely to see multiple maintenance windows while Qobuz tries to get the infrastructure in place for US launch around RMAF.

     

    I just tried to use the web app and I got the following popup when I tried to reconnect to Qobuz.

     

    "QOBUZ has another maintenance operation on his side, we have removed temporary this platform from Soundiiz.
    Don't be worry that will be back soon !
    Thank you for your understanding."

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    I’ve been using Soundiiz as a premium member for some time now. Excellent experience.

     

    My main use so far has been to map Spotify albums of playlists to Tidal. Specifically, I use SoundHound and Shazam quite a bit and they can add tracks to a special Spotify playlist automatically. Then I transfer those discovered playlists using Soundiiz to Tidal.

     

    Additionally, it is possible to store all your playlists and faves natively in Soundiiz, then transfer it to whatever platform - including iTunes.

     

    I look forward to transferring all my fave albums from Tidal (about 4k IIRC) to Qobuz ASAP.

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    How can I quickly get a list of my Tidal albums in Roon?

    Thanks

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    I've been using QOBUZ for around 18 months here in France having moved from Tidal ... their own player is also pretty good, either on desktop or phone app and it is regularly updated. Excellent write up on the favourites transfer service. 

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    On 8/29/2018 at 8:01 AM, rodrigaj said:

    On the day that I switched to Spotify premium this was pasted on my Tidal home page on my iPad:

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    I never listen to RAP or even pop music, yet I was continually bombarded with this kind of offensive detritus.

    Omg look how dark her skin is!!  **clutches pearls**

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    17 minutes ago, speavler said:

    Omg look how dark her skin is!!  **clutches pearls**

     

    I'm not sure I know what you are getting at but I should let you know that MY skin color is similar to hers and that I was raised in the South Bronx under the same conditions as many of the RAP artists. Never assume that everyone here comes from the same socioeconomic background.

     

    If I completely misunderstood your cryptic contribution, I apologize.

     

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    Tidal is $5/month  for subscribers of Jack White's Third Man Records Vault vinyl club. A very nice perk.

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    8 hours ago, fritzg said:

    Tidal is $5/month  for subscribers of Jack White's Third Man Records Vault vinyl club. A very nice perk.

     

    Jack White is also one of Tidal's minority owners.

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    13 hours ago, Sevenfeet said:

     

    Jack White is also one of Tidal's minority owners.

     

    I am aware. My point was the cost is very good and will be hard to beat.

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    38 minutes ago, fritzg said:

     

    I am aware. My point was the cost is very good and will be hard to beat.

     

    Just making it a concurring point to the current thread.  Jack was the one who talked me into trying Tidal in the first place.

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    On 8/30/2018 at 7:05 AM, michaelD said:

    So maybe I missed something.  I read the article and most of the posts but why switch from Tidal to Qobuz?  Cheaper, does Qobuz do MQA?  Not interested in Roon what?

     

    Here's one more reason: last time I checked, Tidal was offering approximately 100,000 "Masters" albums, while Qobuz had 2,000,000 Hi-Res albums.

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    Is there any ability in soundiiz to copy / synchronize all favorites from one Tidal account to another? 

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    Living in Europe I've been with Qobuz for more than a year. But Tidal has more of the music I like. And I don't like rap and hip hop. Tidal streams Bandcamp and Qobuz don't. When I received a nice offer to return to Qobuz I did. However it meant missing quite a few song I had come to like. Just then Rachel Potger The 4 seasons came out. On Qobuz this album was limited to 30 seconds per song. Now I'm with Tidal again I can finally listen to the whole album. 

     

    So I'm not trying to prove anything but just saying Tidal isn't so bad. 

     

    I agree with you the weekly Qobuz update on new releases is much better suited to my tastes than the Tidal marketing ?

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    31 minutes ago, jaaptina said:

    Receiving this just after posting ?

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    Yes indeed!

     

    As of now, at least in the US, the Podgers (and the Fischers) only stream at Redbook resolution, although the content is available to buy at 24/192. Hopefully, negotiations to stream at that resolution are in progress?

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