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    Ripping Blu-ray The Easy Way

    brd-200.pngRipping high resolution Blu-ray audio just got easier thanks to Computer Application Studio. Its newest release of DVD Audio Extractor now supports Blu-ray audio. There are a few caveats to be aware of prior to embarking on a Blu-ray ripping weekend. This article details the software and hardware requirements and the simplest method of ripping Blu-ray audio to date. This method isn't free but I guarantee it's easy enough for even the most unseasoned computer audiophiles.

     

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    Introduction

     

    Many Blu-ray discs contain Dolby multi-channel and Linear Pulse Code Modulation (LPCM) two channel audio mixes. Thus, concert Blu-ray discs can be a terrific source of uncompressed high resolution audio playable on a traditional Blu-ray player or a music server. Playback using a music server or computer is best accomplished by ripping the audio from the Blu-ray disc on to a hard drive. There are several ways to rip the audio from a Blu-ray disc. Some of these methods are free, some rip only to lossy audio formats, some are difficult to use, and some are very time consuming. The following tutorial details what I believe is the simplest method of ripping lossless Blu-ray audio that's ready for importing into a music collection without spending hours curating the audio files.

     

     

    Requirements

     

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    I use Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit running on the Boot Camp partition of my MacBook Pro to rip Blu-ray discs. Any computer capable of running Windows 7 should work just fine.

    * Note: Blu-ray ripping software for the OS X operating system does exist but I haven't been able to rip the audio to a lossless format with the OS X apps. Hopefully in the near future this will be possible.

     

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    Passkey for Blu-ray is an application / driver that decrypts Blu-ray discs. This allows other applications to read the unprotected disc. DVDFab also offers a complete Blu-ray ripping solution, but it doesn't support ripping lossless audio at this time. i.e. even WAV files are not lossless when produced by the DVDfab solution. Thus, the need for better ripping software.

     

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    DVD Audio Extractor is an application to rip the audio from Blu-ray, DVD-Audio, DVD-Video, HDAD, and other discs. Because DVD Audio Extractor doesn't decrypt Blu-ray discs the aforementioned Passkey software is required. DVD Audio Extractor has a really nice user interface for ripping Blu-ray discs. It supports ripping to several formats and splitting up the Blu-ray music into individual tracks unlike most Blu-ray ripping software.

     

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    Any Blu-ray drive should work fine for this tutorial. I selected the Pioneer USB 2.0 External Slim Portable Blu-ray Disc Writer with BDXL Support Model BDR-XD04 because it's powered by a single USB port and is very compact. This drive also works on Mac OS X 10.8.1.

     

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    The Blu-ray disc I am using for this tutorial is Leonard Cohen's Songs From The Road. I really enjoy the music, the sound quality (Mastered by Doug Sax and Robert Hadley), and the back cover of the Blu-ray clearly identified a PCM (uncompressed) Stereo (96khz/24bit) version of the audio. Most Blu-ray discs aren't this explicit but will usually say Stereo PCM if there's a stereo version on the disc. The quality and sample rates available are all over the board. Readers should post opinions and objective information in the Music Analysis forum ex.png when possible. Also The site Blu-ray.com has a plethora of information about Blu-ray discs. Here is a link to the Leonard Cohen disc on the site -> Leonard Cohen: Songs From The Road

     

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    Back cover of Songs From The Road Blu-ray

     

     

    Step By Step

     

     

    Pre-ripping Step A. Install Passkey for Blu-ray and DVD Audio Extractor.

     

    Pre-ripping Step B. Insert a Blu-ray disc. Upon disc insertion Passkey for Blu-ray will display a little yellow popup window by the system tray (next to the Windows time in the lower right corner). This will let users know the decryption process is in progress and or complete. This usually takes ten seconds.

     

    Step 1. Once decryption is complete launch DVD Audio Extractor. The following window will appear with several Titles and Chapters. Most of the Titles in the left box are very short and couldn't contain the entire Blu-ray content. On this Blu-ray Title3 is the only Title long enough to contain twelve tracks at one hour and eleven minutes. Selecting the other Titles doesn't hurt and will give users an idea what's contained in those Titles such as transitional menus or Blu-ray extras. Once Title3 is selected in the upper left box, the available audio tracks are displayed in the lower left box. I only have a two channel audio system thus select the English LPCM (96kHz 2CH) version for extraction. A huge benefit of DVD Audio Extractor is the ability to enter metadata before ripping the Blu-ray Audio. Chances are slim to none the metadata will be in the database used by the application but entering in this data manually isn't the end of the world. On this specific Blu-ray I de-selected Chapter 13 from the right side box because I don't want to extract the 0:03 track. The short length is a dead giveaway that this isn't an audio track. Once the first screen looks like the image below click Next >

     

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    Step 2. Select the preferred output format. I select FLAC for its metadata support and playback support on a wide variety of music servers. I set the Sample Rate at "Same as input", Channels at "Stereo", and Bits per sample at "24 bits". Most Blu-ray discs don't identify if the bit depth is 16 or 24 bits. Setting the Bits per sample to 24 bits will not hurt if the audio is only 16 bits. Play it safe by using the 24 bit setting or use a different set of geeky applications to identify the bit depth ( eac3to ex.png and HdBrStreamExtractor ex.png). Once the parameters are set click Next >

     

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    Step 3. Select the preferred Output location. I rip the files to my Desktop. Check the box to save each chapter into individual files. This eliminates the need to create a CUE sheet or split one large file into smaller files down the road. The Name format option doesn't allow much creativity but is good enough. The Name format box options include Artist, Album, Title, Chapter, and Index. This box must contain at least the Chapter or Index option or this error message ex.pngwill appear on the screen. I use the %INDEX% %CHAPTER% options to name the files with a track number and track name. The track number option works only if all tracks on the album are ripped because the option simply numbers the files in order of extraction. Once the parameters are set click Next >

     

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    Step 4. Slide the Thread priority option over one notch to "higher" to give DVD Audio Extractor a bit more processing priority over other items running on the computer. Select Start

     

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    Step 5. Once the extraction is complete and as long as the option to "Pop up a notify window" is used, the following window will notify the user when the process is finished and will display a link to the extracted files.

     

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    Step 6. The files are now ready for import into one's music player of choice. DVD Audio Extractor doesn't allow embedding album art into the files. The simplest way to add this art is through a playback application such as JRiver Media Center or iTunes if ALAC was the selected output format.

     

     

     

    Wrap Up

     

    Ripping Blu-ray has never been easier although it has been cheaper. Paying for Passkey for Blu-ray and DVD Audio Extractor is well worth the expense because of the time these applications can save users. The learning curve is nearly nonexistent and the process of curating the files after extraction is very minimal. Once users have this simple Blu-ray ripping process mastered a new door to the world of high resolution concerts will open up and increase one's enjoyment of computer audio even more.

     

     

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    Thanks DigiPete. That's when my process goes bad- I never get that DVAE window- it says it can't find the "disc". I'm going to take the plunge and try another BluRay Drive that I know works from others in this thread- the Samsung- and see what happens.

    Tom

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    The only thing occurs to me is that it could be a file permission issue (although it is unlikely). You can run Apple's Disk Utility and choose Repair Permissions.

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    The only thing occurs to me is that it could be a file permission issue (although it is unlikely). You can run Apple's Disk Utility and choose Repair Permissions.

     

    Thanks. I should have my new drive on Thursday so that will hopefully help isolate this. I do check permissions fairly regularly, but certainly worth a shot and I'll do that as well.

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    .... I never get that DVAE window- it says it can't find the "disc" ....

     

    Have you tried setting the "DVD-Source" options to "Open DVD-Files from folder ..." - like in the picture DigiPete has posted above?

     

    Maybe ?

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    PROBLEM SOLVED, I think...

    Thanks to all for suggestions on why this wasn't working for me. After buying a new, recommended BR drive, I still had the same issue ("no disc"). It finally struck me to check the DVDAE version- it turns out that I was using an old version- 6.0. Since I hadn't been asked to upgrade, I never checked and haven't used it for quite a while. I upgraded to the latest version and it works perfectly now. Cockpit error, as I suspected.

    HOWEVER- I am only seeing 48K LPCM tracks for the stereo to choose from. For example, in DigiPete's screenshot above, he clearly can see "192kHz, 2 ch" while I only see 48kHz 2 ch". I can rip the 48kHz tracks just fine. Another cockpit error, I'm sure. What's wrong?

    Tom

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    Wow... interesting to read that whole thread.

     

    I have been ripping BDs for a long time. I use an external LG Super Multi Blu with DVDFAB to get the 1s and 0s off the optical plastic and onto my hard drive with no copy protection. Afterwards, I use DVDAE (DVD Audio Explorer) to extract the audio tracks into 2/multi-channel FLAC files (for audio discs, anyway).

     

    What I've learned along the way is that BDs have a wide variety of copy protection schemes - it's not like DVDs, where there have been few serious attempts to block ripping. BDs tend to update their copy protection schemes with the disc releases of major block busters. Since most/all consumer BD players are connected to the Internet, it's relatively easy to push new copy protection schemes onto consumers with little impact (although you can see what happens when a BD player is out of date on other forums, like AVS).

     

    In general, you need a program that can defeat BD copyright protection schemes and copy the content to a hard drive - a program that stays up to date, which means checking for updates every time you use it. Then, programs like DVDAE can transcode into the files we know and love.

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    If I have an ISO file, made by DVDFab do I need to mount it in a Virtual drive?

    Or there is another way I can rip the audio with DVD audio extractor from the iso file?

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    If I have an ISO file, made by DVDFab do I need to mount it in a Virtual drive?

    Or there is another way I can rip the audio with DVD audio extractor from the iso file?

     

    DVD Audio Extractor can read the folder structure of a Blu-ray, assuming the copy protection has been removed.

     

    So, if you have a BD ISO, then mount it with DVDFab and rip it to your hard drive as files/folders. Then, just choose that folder in DVDAE and you are all set.

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    DVD Audio Extractor can read the folder structure of a Blu-ray, assuming the copy protection has been removed.

     

    So, if you have a BD ISO, then mount it with DVDFab and rip it to your hard drive as files/folders. Then, just choose that folder in DVDAE and you are all set.

     

    Thank you, I'll give it a try :)

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    Ran into a roadblock for first time with a mounted .iso on desktop - dvdae reads it ok, with dts (192khz 2ch) in window - but output format/setting details will only allow 48000 hz ie 24/48 & that's what it rips it to. The iso is 3.8gb.

     

    What am I missing here? Some setting thing somewhere ...

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    Ran into a roadblock for first time with a mounted .iso on desktop - dvdae reads it ok, with dts (192khz 2ch) in window - but output format/setting details will only allow 48000 hz ie 24/48 & that's what it rips it to. The iso is 3.8gb.

     

    What am I missing here? Some setting thing somewhere ...

     

    In order to capture the full DTS-HD (not just 48k core) you need the Arcsoft or Sonic DTS decoder dll. I use the one found in an older version of Arcsoft Total Media Theater version

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    & more to this - the .iso should be dts-hd, not just dts as dvdae shows. ???

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    Just talking to myself! ... now attached dstdecoderdll.dll to makemkv, as per their instructions - but doesn't help dvdae any to decode, though it sees the 24/192pcm - just continues to decode at 24/48 ie the core dst. Another program to do this?

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    Hi Gang,

     

    Going to try my hand at the computer side of audio. I noticed that the Samsung SF506-AB was the external drive of choice for DVD/Bluray ripping. Seems though the "BB" version is the one currently being sold. Does this "BB" version work as well as the "AB" version? Should I be looking at another external drive? Seemed like the "AB" version was good at cranking through the Bluray protection. Any info greatly appreciated.

     

    Thanks

    David

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    Hi Gang,

     

    Going to try my hand at the computer side of audio. I noticed that the Samsung SF506-AB was the external drive of choice for DVD/Bluray ripping. Seems though the "BB" version is the one currently being sold. Does this "BB" version work as well as the "AB" version? Should I be looking at another external drive? Seemed like the "AB" version was good at cranking through the Bluray protection. Any info greatly appreciated.

     

    Thanks

    David

     

    Go for it. I wouldn't pay much attention to the brand of Blu-ray drive. The Samsung SF506-AB works great, but MakeMKV is still needed. Out of 15 or so Blu-Rays ripped, only 2 worked without it. So the "BB" version is probably the same (on Mac). Or the LG mentioned.

    You'll need software to crank through Bluray protection.

    Plan on manually adding metadata to the tracks you rip.

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    Go for it. I wouldn't pay much attention to the brand of Blu-ray drive. The Samsung SF506-AB works great, but MakeMKV is still needed. Out of 15 or so Blu-Rays ripped, only 2 worked without it. So the "BB" version is probably the same (on Mac). Or the LG mentioned.

    You'll need software to crank through Bluray protection.

    Plan on manually adding metadata to the tracks you rip.

     

    Thanks P!

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    With this drive DVAE cannot directly extract 24-bit / 88.2kHz audio from the completely remastered Solti Der Ring Des Nibelungen due to BD+ encryption.

     

    There is no 24/88.2 audio in that release -- it's 24/48 only.

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    I just ripped my first Blu-Ray Audio (Beck - Sea Change) disc using Passkey and DVD Audio Extractor. When I play it through JRiver, it show up as 24/48. Did I do something wrong with the settings? The disc is supposed to be 24/96.

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    I just ripped my first Blu-Ray Audio (Beck - Sea Change) disc using Passkey and DVD Audio Extractor.

    When I play it through JRiver, it show up as 24/48.

    Did I do something wrong with the settings?

    The disc is supposed to be 24/96.

     

     

    Probably not.

     

    DVDAE will not always extract sampling rates higher than 48kHz.

    It's a known flaw.

     

     

    The reply I got when I complained more than a year ago:

     

     

    Message from support@dvdae.com:

    27/12/12

     

    Hi Peter,

    it's true that for DTS-ES and DTS-HD streams which come with a core stream and one or more extended streams, only the 48kHz core stream is currently decoded by DVDAE.

    We are aware of this limit and do take this as our top priority task, since we can already handle all other formats without any limit.

    Unfortunately we don't have a good implementation on this yet and can't give you an estimated date.

     

    Thanks a lot for all your support.

    Regards,

    CAS Support Team

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    If you have the ISO ripped (or MKV), then you'll just need a DTS HD MA decoder like Arcsoft (mentioned in this thread). I found one, added it to my EAc3to GUI front end (HDConcertRipper), and voila...have up to 24/192 decoded from the lossless DTS codec. My only issue is that I need someone to rip the BD's; I don't have a ripper. :)

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    DVDFab and Passkey purchases are now blocked for US based ip addresses. Suggestions anyone?

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    DVDFab and Passkey purchases are now blocked for US based ip addresses. Suggestions anyone?

    Can you use a European proxy server?

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    If you have the ISO ripped (or MKV), then you'll just need a DTS HD MA decoder like Arcsoft (mentioned in this thread). I found one, added it to my EAc3to GUI front end (HDConcertRipper), and voila...have up to 24/192 decoded from the lossless DTS codec. My only issue is that I need someone to rip the BD's; I don't have a ripper. :)

     

    Reading the last post on this thread, do you find any issues with HD Concert Ripper?

     

    HDConcertRipper - eac3to GUI - Page 2 - Doom9's Forum

     

    Seems odd someone would have trouble extracting PCM if they have no issues with dts-ma now.

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    If you have the ISO ripped (or MKV), then you'll just need a DTS HD MA decoder like Arcsoft (mentioned in this thread). I found one, added it to my EAc3to GUI front end (HDConcertRipper), and voila...have up to 24/192 decoded from the lossless DTS codec. My only issue is that I need someone to rip the BD's; I don't have a ripper. :)

     

    Ted if you can take a moment to go over the process used I'd appreciate it. I downloaded the .zip of the eac3to from the first link in Madshi's linked post, I'm on W7-PROx64 so my .Net is already 4.0 and 4.5 installed, don't care about WMA, then downloaded and installed the .zip from MuteyM's first post which is HDConcertRipper 1.4.2

     

    I have the dtsdecoder.dll from a trial of ArcSoft, how do I "register" that with HDConcertRipper? Or is it automatic as soon as you copy that .dll into the HDConcertRipper folder?

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