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    Ripping Blu-ray The Easy Way

    brd-200.pngRipping high resolution Blu-ray audio just got easier thanks to Computer Application Studio. Its newest release of DVD Audio Extractor now supports Blu-ray audio. There are a few caveats to be aware of prior to embarking on a Blu-ray ripping weekend. This article details the software and hardware requirements and the simplest method of ripping Blu-ray audio to date. This method isn't free but I guarantee it's easy enough for even the most unseasoned computer audiophiles.

     

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    Introduction

     

    Many Blu-ray discs contain Dolby multi-channel and Linear Pulse Code Modulation (LPCM) two channel audio mixes. Thus, concert Blu-ray discs can be a terrific source of uncompressed high resolution audio playable on a traditional Blu-ray player or a music server. Playback using a music server or computer is best accomplished by ripping the audio from the Blu-ray disc on to a hard drive. There are several ways to rip the audio from a Blu-ray disc. Some of these methods are free, some rip only to lossy audio formats, some are difficult to use, and some are very time consuming. The following tutorial details what I believe is the simplest method of ripping lossless Blu-ray audio that's ready for importing into a music collection without spending hours curating the audio files.

     

     

    Requirements

     

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    I use Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit running on the Boot Camp partition of my MacBook Pro to rip Blu-ray discs. Any computer capable of running Windows 7 should work just fine.

    * Note: Blu-ray ripping software for the OS X operating system does exist but I haven't been able to rip the audio to a lossless format with the OS X apps. Hopefully in the near future this will be possible.

     

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    Passkey for Blu-ray is an application / driver that decrypts Blu-ray discs. This allows other applications to read the unprotected disc. DVDFab also offers a complete Blu-ray ripping solution, but it doesn't support ripping lossless audio at this time. i.e. even WAV files are not lossless when produced by the DVDfab solution. Thus, the need for better ripping software.

     

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    DVD Audio Extractor is an application to rip the audio from Blu-ray, DVD-Audio, DVD-Video, HDAD, and other discs. Because DVD Audio Extractor doesn't decrypt Blu-ray discs the aforementioned Passkey software is required. DVD Audio Extractor has a really nice user interface for ripping Blu-ray discs. It supports ripping to several formats and splitting up the Blu-ray music into individual tracks unlike most Blu-ray ripping software.

     

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    Any Blu-ray drive should work fine for this tutorial. I selected the Pioneer USB 2.0 External Slim Portable Blu-ray Disc Writer with BDXL Support Model BDR-XD04 because it's powered by a single USB port and is very compact. This drive also works on Mac OS X 10.8.1.

     

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    The Blu-ray disc I am using for this tutorial is Leonard Cohen's Songs From The Road. I really enjoy the music, the sound quality (Mastered by Doug Sax and Robert Hadley), and the back cover of the Blu-ray clearly identified a PCM (uncompressed) Stereo (96khz/24bit) version of the audio. Most Blu-ray discs aren't this explicit but will usually say Stereo PCM if there's a stereo version on the disc. The quality and sample rates available are all over the board. Readers should post opinions and objective information in the Music Analysis forum ex.png when possible. Also The site Blu-ray.com has a plethora of information about Blu-ray discs. Here is a link to the Leonard Cohen disc on the site -> Leonard Cohen: Songs From The Road

     

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    Step By Step

     

     

    Pre-ripping Step A. Install Passkey for Blu-ray and DVD Audio Extractor.

     

    Pre-ripping Step B. Insert a Blu-ray disc. Upon disc insertion Passkey for Blu-ray will display a little yellow popup window by the system tray (next to the Windows time in the lower right corner). This will let users know the decryption process is in progress and or complete. This usually takes ten seconds.

     

    Step 1. Once decryption is complete launch DVD Audio Extractor. The following window will appear with several Titles and Chapters. Most of the Titles in the left box are very short and couldn't contain the entire Blu-ray content. On this Blu-ray Title3 is the only Title long enough to contain twelve tracks at one hour and eleven minutes. Selecting the other Titles doesn't hurt and will give users an idea what's contained in those Titles such as transitional menus or Blu-ray extras. Once Title3 is selected in the upper left box, the available audio tracks are displayed in the lower left box. I only have a two channel audio system thus select the English LPCM (96kHz 2CH) version for extraction. A huge benefit of DVD Audio Extractor is the ability to enter metadata before ripping the Blu-ray Audio. Chances are slim to none the metadata will be in the database used by the application but entering in this data manually isn't the end of the world. On this specific Blu-ray I de-selected Chapter 13 from the right side box because I don't want to extract the 0:03 track. The short length is a dead giveaway that this isn't an audio track. Once the first screen looks like the image below click Next >

     

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    Step 2. Select the preferred output format. I select FLAC for its metadata support and playback support on a wide variety of music servers. I set the Sample Rate at "Same as input", Channels at "Stereo", and Bits per sample at "24 bits". Most Blu-ray discs don't identify if the bit depth is 16 or 24 bits. Setting the Bits per sample to 24 bits will not hurt if the audio is only 16 bits. Play it safe by using the 24 bit setting or use a different set of geeky applications to identify the bit depth ( eac3to ex.png and HdBrStreamExtractor ex.png). Once the parameters are set click Next >

     

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    Step 3. Select the preferred Output location. I rip the files to my Desktop. Check the box to save each chapter into individual files. This eliminates the need to create a CUE sheet or split one large file into smaller files down the road. The Name format option doesn't allow much creativity but is good enough. The Name format box options include Artist, Album, Title, Chapter, and Index. This box must contain at least the Chapter or Index option or this error message ex.pngwill appear on the screen. I use the %INDEX% %CHAPTER% options to name the files with a track number and track name. The track number option works only if all tracks on the album are ripped because the option simply numbers the files in order of extraction. Once the parameters are set click Next >

     

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    Step 4. Slide the Thread priority option over one notch to "higher" to give DVD Audio Extractor a bit more processing priority over other items running on the computer. Select Start

     

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    Step 5. Once the extraction is complete and as long as the option to "Pop up a notify window" is used, the following window will notify the user when the process is finished and will display a link to the extracted files.

     

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    Step 6. The files are now ready for import into one's music player of choice. DVD Audio Extractor doesn't allow embedding album art into the files. The simplest way to add this art is through a playback application such as JRiver Media Center or iTunes if ALAC was the selected output format.

     

     

     

    Wrap Up

     

    Ripping Blu-ray has never been easier although it has been cheaper. Paying for Passkey for Blu-ray and DVD Audio Extractor is well worth the expense because of the time these applications can save users. The learning curve is nearly nonexistent and the process of curating the files after extraction is very minimal. Once users have this simple Blu-ray ripping process mastered a new door to the world of high resolution concerts will open up and increase one's enjoyment of computer audio even more.

     

     

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    As explained in the thread already, you need to use the backup command in MakeMKV to make a decrypted version of the blu-ray disc first. Then run that through DVDAExtractor.

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    Update on ripping "The Beatles - Magical Mystery Tour" Blu-ray.

     

    I used the backup command in MakeMKV to make a decrypted version of the Blu-ray disc.

     

    Unfortunately DVD Audio Extractor gave me the same error message regarding BD+ protection.

     

    This was using the Mac OS X versions of both MakeMKV and DVD Audio Extractor.

     

    I'll try again using the PC versions.

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    Here's another clue regarding my attempts to rip "The Beatles - Magical Mystery Tour" and "The Beatles - Yellow Submarine" Blu-ray discs.

     

    I contacted Support at DVDFab and supplied them with the Settings-Info from Passkey for Blu-ray. Today I received the following message:

     

    "We have tested your issue on our side, and have not encountered the same issue. There is no BD+ protection on the Blu-ray disc "The Beatles - Magical Mystery Tour". We suggest you contact the Support Team of DVD Audio Extractor for assistance."

     

    I'll send this information to DVD Audio Extractor and see if they can provide a solution.

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    I’ve been ripping BD files following the prescribed methodology of using MakeMKV (copy, not rip) and then running the saved files through DVD AE with success. It worked well for me until I tried to do the same with the new BD version of Neil Young’s Journeys. In that case, I converted the BD files with MakeMKV (sample rate @ 92K) but after running it through DVD AE, it down converted the files to a sample rate of 48K. I ran the process a second time to see if I inadvertently did something to down covert, but came back with the same results. See the attached images that show each step. Any ideas what may be happening?

     

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    Call me crazy but I prefer full size bit perfect ISO files when ripping discs. I just use AnyDVD's rip to iso feature, then use Virtual Clonedrive to mount the ISO to play it in any player.

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    Does AnyDVD rip blu-ray? Nothing on their website indicates that it does.

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    Does AnyDVD rip blu-ray? Nothing on their website indicates that it does.

     

    A qualified yes. It rips blu ray but you won't get separate audio-only files, either for the full disc as one big file or for the individual songs as separate files. HD-DVD/Blu Ray Stream Extractor is software that will allow you to rip the audio as one large file. You would need to follow Chris' outlined procedure(with the software that he specifies) to get copies of separate files for each song.

     

    Effectively, AnyDVD will rip blu rays for viewing.

     

    Esau

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    'Anydvd HD' rips blu ray.

    You have the choice of ripping to a hardisc folder or to an iso.

     

    I rip my blu rays to a hardisc folder the use DVD Audio Extractor to extract the audio.

    Then there is no need to have the disc continually spinning.

     

    If you choose to rip to an iso, you can mount the iso then use DVD Audio Extractor to extract the audio.

     

    Note that using DVD Audio Extractor on blu ray is different that using it on DVD Audio.

    When you rip DVD Audio the disc is required to be in the drive and Anydvd must be disabled.

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    If you rip blu-ray using MakeMKV's "backup" you get the blu-ray on your HD that you can play without using your physical disc. (I use Mac Blu-ray Player). This gives you the high-res audio plus any video as well. (Listening to Neil Young/Crazy Horse's Psychadelic Pill and there's video throughout.)

     

    I also get the audio only files using DVDAExtractor for streaming use.

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    I found a way on the Mac.

    Just had to read the documentation that the error message in DVD Audio Extractor -- Full featured DVD audio ripper for your easy usepointed to.

    No need to fiddle around with Windows to rip a BD ;-)

     

     

    How to rip LZ BD on a Mac

    MakeMKV

    "Backup"

    Tick "Decrypt video files" in pop-up

    Then MakeMKV strips all files and saves them on HD

     

     

    DVD Audio Extractor

    DVD Source: "Folder - open DVD files from file folder"

    Point to folder and go :-)

    Remember to backspace rather that "Restart" after ripping if you have entered names of numbers and want to preserve them.

     

     

    Equipment

     

    OWC 16x BD FW drive

    MacBook Pro 2Ghz Core i7 16GB

    Promise Pegasus 6TB (Thunderbolt)

     

     

    Time

     

    12 min - MKV BD disk rip & strip (9x)

    5 min - DVD AE BD file to 5.1 (23x)

    3 min - DVD AE BD file to 2.0 (38x)

     

    Not bad - not bad at all!

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    Just got the Samsung drive and protected Blu-ray discs rip just fine on Mac OS X using DVD Audio Extractor. Wow. I would never have guessed a drive can make encryption irrelevant.

     

    What firmware is your Samsung SE-506? The drive I received today now has FW: TS01 where the screenshots thus far in this thread show TS00.

     

    With this drive DVAE cannot directly extract 24-bit / 88.2kHz audio from the completely remastered Solti Der Ring Des Nibelungen due to BD+ encryption.

     

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    Amazon.com: Wagner: Der Ring des Nibelungen (Super Deluxe): Music

     

    So if it was just the drive, then the new FW revision "fixed" it. Backing-up with MakeMKV to see if this works...

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    Has anyone used

    Statistics Page - Blu-rayStats.com

    It allows a filter search to look at eg hires bluray titles - maybe this could be the basis of a listing of what's out there?

     

    I missed your post but also found this site. It is excellent. I did a little bit of analysis on the audio aspects of this (mainly out of curiosity as I'm a blu-ray newbie); by filtering since the Year 2000+ there are:

     

    698 24 bit Blu-rays

    478 DTS-HD MA 24 bit

    128 True HD

    671 Lossless 24 bit

    12 96 kHz discs

    zero 192 kHz discs

     

    The general site states show:

     

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    So it would seem a lot of discs are 16 bit, and there is very little 96 kHz material out there. The site also did have the ability to sort out music/concert blu-rays but that feature seems to be temporarily missing at the moment (I've asked where it's gone to / if coming back / if I'm blind), but from memory all of them were 24 bit with most being 48 kHz (I had looked at how many were 96+).

     

    If you rip blu-ray using MakeMKV's "backup" you get the blu-ray on your HD that you can play without using your physical disc. (I use Mac Blu-ray Player). This gives you the high-res audio plus any video as well. (Listening to Neil Young/Crazy Horse's Psychadelic Pill and there's video throughout.)

     

    This is real interesting, as I was just about to buy my first 'serious' (Oppo) blu-ray player, but as given that, then this set-up would work wouldn't it?

     

    Samsung BD drive (above) -> Mac Mini -> above software -> HDMI splitter -> 1/ Audio to DAC 202 (coaxial or to slink (latter limited to 29 kHz)) 2/ to projector / TV.

     

    It seems the drive isn't multi-regional, but can support 3D (or at least the Samsung SE-506AB can).

    Does this seem like a good solution?

     

    (I'm very happy to have one less box with a spinning disc in it)

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    Hello folks,

     

    I´ve got a good deal on a brand new BDR-XD04. Has anyone compared or checked It against Samsung SE-506? Which is the most reliable?? Will use mainly for CD-DAE and BD-DAE.

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    I followed the process outlined above for ripping Blu-Ray via Mac: MakeMKV with or without DVD Audio Extractor. Neither seem to work for me in that neither MakeMKV or DVD Audio Extractor recognize the content of the discs for ripping. I'm using a brand new MCE Technologies external Super Blu-Ray drive on my iMac (10.8.4). I can make a backup folder using MakeMKV - the folder is called "bluray" on my desktop. I can point my BluRay Player to the folder and play the content, so I know it's there. But the BDMV file where I assume the content is located is grayed out and I can't point DVD AudioExtractor to it. If I point to the folder "bluray", I get a pop up that there is no disc present. I'm trying to rip Patricia Barber Modern Cool, which I see others have done successfully. It's as if it isn't being decrypted. What am I doing wrong? Attached is a screen shot of the folder with the backup of the disc. Yes, I did check "decrypt video files".

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    I followed the process outlined above for ripping Blu-Ray via Mac: MakeMKV with or without DVD Audio Extractor. Neither seem to work for me in that neither MakeMKV or DVD Audio Extractor recognize the content of the discs for ripping. I'm using a brand new MCE Technologies external Super Blu-Ray drive on my iMac (10.8.4). I can make a backup folder using MakeMKV - the folder is called "bluray" on my desktop. I can point my BluRay Player to the folder and play the content, so I know it's there. But the BDMV file where I assume the content is located is grayed out and I can't point DVD AudioExtractor to it. If I point to the folder "bluray", I get a pop up that there is no disc present. I'm trying to rip Patricia Barber Modern Cool, which I see others have done successfully. It's as if it isn't being decrypted. What am I doing wrong? Attached is a screen shot of the folder with the backup of the disc. Yes, I did check "decrypt video files".

     

    I also tried to rip Diana Krall- Live in Rio- same issue. Tried changing folder name and location. DVD Audio Extractor does not find any content files.

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    Did you check the box in MKV that says something like "decode"? It pops up in a dialog after the main screen and triggers the 30-day eval period. Without it, BluRay copy protection is still in the MKV rip and keeps DVD Audio Extractor from working on it.

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    Did you check the box in MKV that says something like "decode"? It pops up in a dialog after the main screen and triggers the 30-day eval period. Without it, BluRay copy protection is still in the MKV rip and keeps DVD Audio Extractor from working on it.

     

    I believe that I did. I can see that the Eval period is clicking away. I can also view the content on my mac BR player right from the backup file. But I can't seem to access it via DVD Audio Extractor- it just doesn't see it.

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    Just double clock and mount

    Thanks but not sure that I understand. Double "click" and mount what?

    Both MKV and Audio Extractor APPEAR to be working as they should; however, I cannot see any actual content in the MKV Backup folder (see screen shot on initial post). From the file size, I assume it's in the BKMV folder, but it's greyed out, so I can't point AE to it.

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    Sorry I don't have time to go back over this entire thread.

     

    Are you backing up using MakeMKV? If so, then it will break the encryption key and save an ISO disc image. Double-click the ISO .dmg to mount it, and then use DVDAE to open up the appropriate file on the mounted disc image. Always worked for me this way. Always.

     

    Other than that I would say get a different Blu-Ray drive.

     

     

    Thanks but not sure that I understand. Double "click" and mount what?

    Both MKV and Audio Extractor APPEAR to be working as they should; however, I cannot see any actual content in the MKV Backup folder (see screen shot on initial post). From the file size, I assume it's in the BKMV folder, but it's greyed out, so I can't point AE to it.

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    Sorry I don't have time to go back over this entire thread.

     

    Are you backing up using MakeMKV? If so, then it will break the encryption key and save an ISO disc image. Double-click the ISO .dmg to mount it, and then use DVDAE to open up the appropriate file on the mounted disc image. Always worked for me this way. Always.

     

    Other than that I would say get a different Blu-Ray drive.

     

    Junker- Thanks very much for your help on this. Yes, I am using Backup and do get a backup created, which I can play with my BR player on my mac. But I don't see that any ISO get's created. The Backup folder has multiple files in it, including a BKMV folder which, by its size, I'd guess holds the actual content, but it's greyed out. Where would the ISO be located? I assume that since it's a .dmg is would appear on the desktop? Is it possible that some BR drives just won't work? If so, do you have a recommendation on one that you know does?

    Tom

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    I just repeated the backing up and extracting Modern Cool with the latest versions of the programs.

    Both are paid for, but I can't find any place that states that paying is necessary.

     

    MakeMKV ver. 1.8.5

    DVD-AE ver. 7.1.2

     

    I am still only getting the 16/48 in 5.1 surround, but that is still pretty sweet.

     

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    Now available in 16x version.

    MAC Blu-Ray Player plays in full resolution as always (up to 24/192)

     

    Good luck!

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    I just repeated the backing up and extracting Modern Cool with the latest versions of the programs.

    Both are paid for, but I can't find any place that states that paying is necessary.

     

    MakeMKV ver. 1.8.5

    DVD-AE ver. 7.1.2

     

    I am still only getting the 16/48 in 5.1 surround, but that is still pretty sweet.

     

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    Also available from OWC in the US[/TD]

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    Now available in 16x version.

    MAC Blu-Ray Player plays in full resolution as always (up to 24/192)

     

    Good luck!

     

    DigiPete-

    Thanks. It was your instructions that I was originally following (carefully) but I can't seem to get this to work. Maybe it's my drive ( a new MCE Technologies external BR drive), or else I'm doing something wrong. i've tried both methods (MKV Backup & DVAE alone) and neither works. My Mac BR player software CAN read the backup and play the movie, but I cannot see the audio files on DVAE. The screen shot, attached, is what results from the MKV Backup. If I point DVAE to this Folder, I get an error msg thats ays there's no disc present.

     

    What am I SUPPOSED to see as a result of the MKV backup process- what does the resulting Folder look like? I can but a different drive if necessary, but I want to make sure that it's not my cockpit error first.

    Thanks for your help.

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    DigiPete-

    Thanks. It was your instructions that I was originally following (carefully) but I can't seem to get this to work. Maybe it's my drive ( a new MCE Technologies external BR drive), or else I'm doing something wrong. i've tried both methods (MKV Backup & DVAE alone) and neither works. My Mac BR player software CAN read the backup and play the movie, but I cannot see the audio files on DVAE. The screen shot, attached, is what results from the MKV Backup. If I point DVAE to this Folder, I get an error msg thats ays there's no disc present.

     

    What am I SUPPOSED to see as a result of the MKV backup process- what does the resulting Folder look like? I can but a different drive if necessary, but I want to make sure that it's not my cockpit error first.

    Thanks for your help.

     

    My files are exactly the same after the MKV backup process.

    But when I point the

     

    Folder - open DVD files from folder to the "Bluray" folder, the result looks like this (& after "Download metadata from db"):

     

     

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    I'm not sure what to tell you :-(

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