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    Ripping Blu-ray The Easy Way

    brd-200.pngRipping high resolution Blu-ray audio just got easier thanks to Computer Application Studio. Its newest release of DVD Audio Extractor now supports Blu-ray audio. There are a few caveats to be aware of prior to embarking on a Blu-ray ripping weekend. This article details the software and hardware requirements and the simplest method of ripping Blu-ray audio to date. This method isn't free but I guarantee it's easy enough for even the most unseasoned computer audiophiles.

     

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    Introduction

     

    Many Blu-ray discs contain Dolby multi-channel and Linear Pulse Code Modulation (LPCM) two channel audio mixes. Thus, concert Blu-ray discs can be a terrific source of uncompressed high resolution audio playable on a traditional Blu-ray player or a music server. Playback using a music server or computer is best accomplished by ripping the audio from the Blu-ray disc on to a hard drive. There are several ways to rip the audio from a Blu-ray disc. Some of these methods are free, some rip only to lossy audio formats, some are difficult to use, and some are very time consuming. The following tutorial details what I believe is the simplest method of ripping lossless Blu-ray audio that's ready for importing into a music collection without spending hours curating the audio files.

     

     

    Requirements

     

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    I use Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit running on the Boot Camp partition of my MacBook Pro to rip Blu-ray discs. Any computer capable of running Windows 7 should work just fine.

    * Note: Blu-ray ripping software for the OS X operating system does exist but I haven't been able to rip the audio to a lossless format with the OS X apps. Hopefully in the near future this will be possible.

     

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    Passkey for Blu-ray is an application / driver that decrypts Blu-ray discs. This allows other applications to read the unprotected disc. DVDFab also offers a complete Blu-ray ripping solution, but it doesn't support ripping lossless audio at this time. i.e. even WAV files are not lossless when produced by the DVDfab solution. Thus, the need for better ripping software.

     

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    DVD Audio Extractor is an application to rip the audio from Blu-ray, DVD-Audio, DVD-Video, HDAD, and other discs. Because DVD Audio Extractor doesn't decrypt Blu-ray discs the aforementioned Passkey software is required. DVD Audio Extractor has a really nice user interface for ripping Blu-ray discs. It supports ripping to several formats and splitting up the Blu-ray music into individual tracks unlike most Blu-ray ripping software.

     

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    Any Blu-ray drive should work fine for this tutorial. I selected the Pioneer USB 2.0 External Slim Portable Blu-ray Disc Writer with BDXL Support Model BDR-XD04 because it's powered by a single USB port and is very compact. This drive also works on Mac OS X 10.8.1.

     

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    The Blu-ray disc I am using for this tutorial is Leonard Cohen's Songs From The Road. I really enjoy the music, the sound quality (Mastered by Doug Sax and Robert Hadley), and the back cover of the Blu-ray clearly identified a PCM (uncompressed) Stereo (96khz/24bit) version of the audio. Most Blu-ray discs aren't this explicit but will usually say Stereo PCM if there's a stereo version on the disc. The quality and sample rates available are all over the board. Readers should post opinions and objective information in the Music Analysis forum ex.png when possible. Also The site Blu-ray.com has a plethora of information about Blu-ray discs. Here is a link to the Leonard Cohen disc on the site -> Leonard Cohen: Songs From The Road

     

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    Step By Step

     

     

    Pre-ripping Step A. Install Passkey for Blu-ray and DVD Audio Extractor.

     

    Pre-ripping Step B. Insert a Blu-ray disc. Upon disc insertion Passkey for Blu-ray will display a little yellow popup window by the system tray (next to the Windows time in the lower right corner). This will let users know the decryption process is in progress and or complete. This usually takes ten seconds.

     

    Step 1. Once decryption is complete launch DVD Audio Extractor. The following window will appear with several Titles and Chapters. Most of the Titles in the left box are very short and couldn't contain the entire Blu-ray content. On this Blu-ray Title3 is the only Title long enough to contain twelve tracks at one hour and eleven minutes. Selecting the other Titles doesn't hurt and will give users an idea what's contained in those Titles such as transitional menus or Blu-ray extras. Once Title3 is selected in the upper left box, the available audio tracks are displayed in the lower left box. I only have a two channel audio system thus select the English LPCM (96kHz 2CH) version for extraction. A huge benefit of DVD Audio Extractor is the ability to enter metadata before ripping the Blu-ray Audio. Chances are slim to none the metadata will be in the database used by the application but entering in this data manually isn't the end of the world. On this specific Blu-ray I de-selected Chapter 13 from the right side box because I don't want to extract the 0:03 track. The short length is a dead giveaway that this isn't an audio track. Once the first screen looks like the image below click Next >

     

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    Step 2. Select the preferred output format. I select FLAC for its metadata support and playback support on a wide variety of music servers. I set the Sample Rate at "Same as input", Channels at "Stereo", and Bits per sample at "24 bits". Most Blu-ray discs don't identify if the bit depth is 16 or 24 bits. Setting the Bits per sample to 24 bits will not hurt if the audio is only 16 bits. Play it safe by using the 24 bit setting or use a different set of geeky applications to identify the bit depth ( eac3to ex.png and HdBrStreamExtractor ex.png). Once the parameters are set click Next >

     

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    Step 3. Select the preferred Output location. I rip the files to my Desktop. Check the box to save each chapter into individual files. This eliminates the need to create a CUE sheet or split one large file into smaller files down the road. The Name format option doesn't allow much creativity but is good enough. The Name format box options include Artist, Album, Title, Chapter, and Index. This box must contain at least the Chapter or Index option or this error message ex.pngwill appear on the screen. I use the %INDEX% %CHAPTER% options to name the files with a track number and track name. The track number option works only if all tracks on the album are ripped because the option simply numbers the files in order of extraction. Once the parameters are set click Next >

     

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    Step 4. Slide the Thread priority option over one notch to "higher" to give DVD Audio Extractor a bit more processing priority over other items running on the computer. Select Start

     

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    Step 5. Once the extraction is complete and as long as the option to "Pop up a notify window" is used, the following window will notify the user when the process is finished and will display a link to the extracted files.

     

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    Step 6. The files are now ready for import into one's music player of choice. DVD Audio Extractor doesn't allow embedding album art into the files. The simplest way to add this art is through a playback application such as JRiver Media Center or iTunes if ALAC was the selected output format.

     

     

     

    Wrap Up

     

    Ripping Blu-ray has never been easier although it has been cheaper. Paying for Passkey for Blu-ray and DVD Audio Extractor is well worth the expense because of the time these applications can save users. The learning curve is nearly nonexistent and the process of curating the files after extraction is very minimal. Once users have this simple Blu-ray ripping process mastered a new door to the world of high resolution concerts will open up and increase one's enjoyment of computer audio even more.

     

     

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    Never Mind - I see that I inadvertently asked the program to put the channels in separate files!

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    Never Mind - I see that I inadvertently asked the program to put the channels in separate files!

     

    I was hoping it was Neil Young's fault.

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    So far, I have successfully managed to rip audio from two blu-rays using the mac version DVD Audio Extractor - Laughing Len's Songs From The Road (same disk used in the how-to guide in this topic) and Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here (from the immersion box set).

     

    In both cases, I did NOT need to first make a full decrypted disk backup using MakeMKV - DVD Audio Extractor was able to work directly from the blu-ray disk. I've got no idea if this applies to all disks (i.e., the audio doesn't need decrypting) but it's worth a try particularly if you have no need for a full backup, which seems to be quite difficult to play back on a mac in any case. Just for reference, the mkv files that MakeMKV produces play back very well with VLC.

     

    Some other useful OSX tools for this sort of thing:

     

    Media Inspector (from the App Store, £1.99) - Tells you exactly what's inside your media files. Personally I can tell the codec, sample rate etc just by sniffing the air... but some of you lesser beings may want more objective info :)

     

    MKVExtract (free, I downloaded it from mkv4mac.free.fr) - If you don't mind the novelty of the interface (mixture of English and French labelling!) it will allow you to extract audio tracks as separate files from an mkv file, as well as a text file with the chapter timings, which may be useful if you want to do further processing to split the tracks.

     

    ps - at this point I'm a little unsure about whether or not it is possible to extract the "TrueHD" surround sound. My first efforts on the Cohen disc have given me a file that I think is way too small to consist of 6 channels of lossless audio.

     

    pps - the Pink Floyd disk gave me split file, where the splits didn't quite match up to the breaks between the songs. (I should probably make a separate topic for this)

     

    ppps - Great topic, and great idea to share information about blu-ray music releases.

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    Is the point of all this to get better SQ by playing on my computer vs OPPO ?

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    Is the point here to get better SQ on a computer vs say an OPPO player ?

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    Souptin:

     

    I was also able to rip directly from Bluray using the Mac version of DVDAE. I also ripped WYWH from the Immersion set, as well as the audio from Bluray discs by David Gilmour, Pat Metheny, and Within Temptation. No intermediate steps necessary. It worked exactly the same as if I had inserted a DVD.

     

    Ken Golden

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    Is the point here to get better SQ on a computer vs say an OPPO player ?

     

    The point is really different for everyone.

     

    - Better sound

    - No physical media

    - easy access to library of music

     

    And many more.

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    Is the point here to get better SQ on a computer vs say an OPPO player ?

     

    I would explain it this way:

    The DAC (and subsequent analog stage) is the important factor. In the Oppo playback, the DAC and analog stage is either the player itself (when playing via anlog outs) or the HDMI-based receiver/processor. In most cases I'd vote for the Oppo. BUT, when ripped and now available via computer the music can be sent to our already owned hi-end DACs, which outperform standalone Oppo players and AVR's, let alone allow native 24/192 playback of 24/192 material.

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    Has it been clarified as to whether or not dvdae rips the hd - or is mkv definitely needed? (& is this achieving the full hires rip anyway?).

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    So far, I have successfully managed to rip audio from two blu-rays using the mac version DVD Audio Extractor - Laughing Len's Songs From The Road (same disk used in the how-to guide in this topic) and Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here (from the immersion box set).

     

    In both cases, I did NOT need to first make a full decrypted disk backup using MakeMKV - DVD Audio Extractor was able to work directly from the blu-ray disk. I've got no idea if this applies to all disks (i.e., the audio doesn't need decrypting) but it's worth a try particularly if you have no need for a full backup, which seems to be quite difficult to play back on a mac in any case. Just for reference, the mkv files that MakeMKV produces play back very well with VLC.

     

    Some other useful OSX tools for this sort of thing:

     

    Media Inspector (from the App Store, £1.99) - Tells you exactly what's inside your media files. Personally I can tell the codec, sample rate etc just by sniffing the air... but some of you lesser beings may want more objective info :)

     

    MKVExtract (free, I downloaded it from mkv4mac.free.fr) - If you don't mind the novelty of the interface (mixture of English and French labelling!) it will allow you to extract audio tracks as separate files from an mkv file, as well as a text file with the chapter timings, which may be useful if you want to do further processing to split the tracks.

     

    ps - at this point I'm a little unsure about whether or not it is possible to extract the "TrueHD" surround sound. My first efforts on the Cohen disc have given me a file that I think is way too small to consist of 6 channels of lossless audio.

     

    pps - the Pink Floyd disk gave me split file, where the splits didn't quite match up to the breaks between the songs. (I should probably make a separate topic for this)

     

    ppps - Great topic, and great idea to share information about blu-ray music releases.

    Hi

    What DVD Player are you using for the rip?

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    Hi

    What DVD Player are you using for the rip?

     

    Samsung Portable BD Writer Model SE-506

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    Has it been clarified as to whether or not dvdae rips the hd - or is mkv definitely needed? (& is this achieving the full hires rip anyway?).

     

    As noted I've been able to successfully rip Blu-ray audio with the current version of DVDAE without the use of MKV. DVDAE is indicating 2 channel 96khz for Within Temptation "Black Symphony" and Pink Floyd "WYWH", and 2 channel 48khz for David Gilmour "Remember The Night" and Pat Metheny "The Way Up Live".

     

    It seems as far as DVDAE goes its business as usual. I'm using an LG Blu-ray drive that I picked up from Other World Computing.

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    I'll give WYWH a try. I wasn't able to rip anything encrypted on my Mac using DVD Audio Extractor. But, as you were able to do this I will try again.

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    I just tried ripping the Wish You Were Here Blu-ray using only DVD Audio Extractor on my Mac and received the following error.

     

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    Chris:

     

    Is it possible that its drive dependent? I didn't encounter this with any discs I ripped.

     

    Ken

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    Chris:

     

    Is it possible that its drive dependent? I didn't encounter this with any discs I ripped.

     

    Ken

    Hi Ken - Can you take a screenshot of the first screen in DVDAE and attach it to a post here?

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    Hi Ken - Can you take a screenshot of the first screen in DVDAE and attach it to a post here?

     

    Here's mine:

    Drive is a Samsung Portable BD Writer Model SE-506 (as noted earlier)

    Disk is Pink Floyd WYWH, from the Immersion set (number on disk is 50999 029438 9 3)

     

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    FWIW, I've got the same Pioneer BD drive and am using a MacBook Pro (early 2011) and OSX 10.8.1. I've been able to use the Mac version of DVDAE all by itself to extract the audio files from a couple of Blu-rays: Chris Botti Live (Sony) and 'Divertimento' (2L). However, with the Shostakovich 8th disc (C Major) I got the same error message as you (Chris). In this instance, using the 'backup' option with MakeMKV did the trick. (I posted about this earlier.)

     

    Russell

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    Just to be complete - here is a screen shot of Dark Side Of The Moon:

     

     

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    I have ripped both Pink Floyd releases, Talking Heads Stop Making Sense and Adele Live at the Royal Albert Hall using EAC3To. I have just finished ripping Patricia Barber - Modern Cool using DVD Audio extractor, and I must say, it was a much better experience. I didn't bother making cue sheets and separating Stop Making Sense or Adele, as I will not be bringing those to a portable device.

     

    I'd be curious to check if there is any difference in sound or the file format in using DVD Audio Extractor over the EAC3To program.

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    FWIW, I've got the same Pioneer BD drive and am using a MacBook Pro (early 2011) and OSX 10.8.1. I've been able to use the Mac version of DVDAE all by itself to extract the audio files from a couple of Blu-rays: Chris Botti Live (Sony) and 'Divertimento' (2L). However, with the Shostakovich 8th disc (C Major) I got the same error message as you (Chris). In this instance, using the 'backup' option with MakeMKV did the trick. (I posted about this earlier.)

     

    Russell

     

    I totally agree with Russell here. I used my iMac (mid 2011), OSX 10.8.1 DVDAE for Mac and the backup option with MakeMKV, and was able to extract Chopin's Piano Concerto no. 2 in 96 kHz, 24 bits (from Naxos) with total success. I encountered the same problems as Russell initially and was able to solve them. DVDAE did not recognize any of the files MakeMKV had decrypted until I asked it to loot at the directory instead of the files, and suddenly it worked perfectly.

     

    I haven't as yet compared the two versions, the computer and the Blu-Ray (because mostly I do not really like that concerto and did not wish to waste time on it.

     

    Oh and I used a Samsung portable BD Writer SE-506, apparently without problem (strange one, first time I see a USB Y connector).

     

    Lord Grumble (I grumble a lot for nothing but not in this case).

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    So far, all blu-rays I've ripped using an Asus reader have resulted in the standard error message if I try to use DVDAExtractor without decrypting using the backup feature of MakeMKV first.

     

    Using backup on MakeMKV first and then DVDAExtractor has worked every time.

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    ADDENDUM:

    Note that I mean blu-rays with video content as well as audio content. I did not try my audio-only blu-rays with DVDAExtractor only.

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