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    Should You Rent or Buy Audio Software?

    When CA started in 2007 audiophiles had a handful of choices for playback and library management applications. Some popular apps were iTunes, JRiver Media Center, Foobar2000 and MediaMonkey. Over the years many apps have come and gone, some haven't changed much, and others have continued to get better. The fact that we have options is a great thing. If I was still stuck with iTunes on macOS and the Apple Remote app on iOS, my listening experience wouldn't be nearly as good as it is today. 

     

    Along with application options, buyers also have what I'll call acquisition options. These options include renting, buying, maintaining, free, or software that's included with the purchase of hardware. Again, options are great. 

     

    I want to touch on what I see as differences between the models and more importantly I'd love to read feedback from the CA Community. I know there are many strong opinions on this and I enjoy reading all the perspectives. 

     

     

    Buying

     

    This is what I call the traditional model of acquiring software. You pay X dollars for an application and it works as long as your computer supports it. From a consumer perspective many people like this model because of the fixed cost and they feel like they own something. No matter what happens to the software company in the future, as long as the consumer has a capable computer the application purchased this way will work like the first day it was installed.

     

    The pay once model can be difficult for software companies due to the ongoing cost of keeping the applications updated for security and features in addition to providing user support. In a constant world without changes, it would be simple to release it and forget it. However, the world of software and technology never stops changing. 


    Examples: JRiver, Audirvana+, HQPlayer

     

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    Maintaining

     

    This is a subset of the traditional buying model. In this case you can upgrade the software purchased or pay another lump some to continue to receive updates to the original software. This model follows a yearly or dependable cycle. JRiver has used this model for several years. It's perhaps the best compromise between the traditional buying model and a subscription model. A one-time up front purchase of the software entitles the user to updates until the next version is released, usually one year from the previous version's release. The cost to upgrade is usually substantially less when purchased early. 

     

    The Beauty of this model is that users can stay with whatever version they want and it will continue to work as long as their PCs meet the requirements for the software. No maintenance upgrade is required, it's optional. Users who want the newest version can pay for the upgrade and continue to get frequent updates and newer features. 

     

    I like this model because it allows great consumer choice and provides revenue for the software companies to continue updating products and supporting users. 


    Example: JRiver

     

     

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    Rent / Subscription

     

    This isn't new in the grand scheme of things, but it's fairly new to many consumer markets. You pay a monthly / yearly fee for access to software. The subscription model is the one that seems to irk HiFi consumers the most. It's not a money thing. The cost of a subscription to apps isn't even as much as the sales tax paid on some experimental accessories in this hobby. The model just rubs people the wrong way or goes against their belief in owning something. Even though a license to use "purchased" software doesn't equal ownership that's a discussion for a different day.

     

    Subscription apps such as Roon have a large ongoing cost to the company because of licensed content. The metadata, album lookups, images, and hardware certification done in-house can all cost money behind the scenes. This cost is passed on to the user though a subscription. Of course the subscription helps pay for user support and ongoing product updates.

     

    One thing this model doesn't provide consumers is as much choice as a maintenance model. If a user doesn't want to keep updating or keep receiving metadata etc..., there is no option to put the subscription on hold and continue to use the app as intended. Roon requires an internet connection at least once every 30 days, or the user is logged out of the app, crippling functionality. I'm not suggesting this is good or bad, it's just the way ti works.

     

    Roon offers a limited time $500 lifetime subscription that places it almost in the traditional buying model, but if Roon Labs (the company) is purchased or licensing agreements aren't renewed, there's no guarantee the app will continue to work even though it may install on a computer without issues. I believe the company has indicated it can make some of the functionality work if something like this happens. 

     

    This lifetime license is a good compromise for those that prefer the purchase model but want a software package that isn't offered via that model.


    Example: Roon

     

     

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    Free

     

    Yes free as in beer. If you don't like these apps, you're entitled to a full refund of your purchase price. Only kidding. Some offer support through forums while other such as iTunes offer support online and in person in the Apple Stores. Of course iTunes is heavily subsidized by consumer content purchasing and Apple uses user information in any way it sees fit. Free doesn't equate to bad or even a worse product. Consumers just need to beware they may be the product and their expectations with respect to updates and support should be adjusted accordingly.

     

    Examples: iTunes, MusicBee, foobar2000, MediaMonkey, AIMP, Clementine

     

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    Included

     

    This software isn't free although it also isn't purchased in a line-item type of way. You can't purchase it on its own. These apps are included with the purchase of hardware. Some hardware requires the use of the company's custom app while other hardware is offered with an optional app for consumers. For example, the Aurender servers only work with the included Aurender Conductor app (sure AirPlay works but that's not even close to full functionality) while dCS products work with the included dCS iOS apps, Roon, or any number of UPnP/DLNA apps and Spotify. 

     

    Most of the meta data functionality in these apps is public knowledge. Thus, I'm unsure if they will continue to function should the company(s) go out of business or have a licensing agreement altered. Some apps don't license anything from third parties. Some apps pull in free content not in need of a licensing agreement.  


    Examples: Aurender's Conductor app, Auralic's Lightning DS, and apps from dCS, Lumin, Naim, and Sumaudio to name a few. 

     

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    Wrap-up

     

    There you have the options as I see them. There are many more nuances to each model and many more pros & cons. I'd love to hear from the Community about its thoughts and any "purchasing" decisions individuals have made based on any of these factors. Has anyone selected hardware because of software or vice versa? Did the model of acquisition sway your decision?

     

     




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    No, not tried it, but another friend uses it. 
    Someone else I know uses Tidal and wants to use Roon as well, so I will be assisting him

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    1 hour ago, Teresa said:

    ...free HDTV?...

     

    That should read "free over-the-air HDTV". Sorry, it was too late to edit my post.

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    2 hours ago, Teresa said:

    I also notice you subscribe to lots of TV services. Why not use an cheap antenna instead for free HDTV?

    Streaming services like Netflix and Amazon have huge catalogues available to view when it suits you, not when it happens to air. A lot of people find that convenience worth paying for.

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    17 hours ago, Teresa said:

     

    Wow! I don't know what that adds up to, however it looks like it might be into many hundreds of dollars per month. How do you afford all that? And more than that how do you justify the cost?

     

    I am curious why you subscribe to 4 software players? Why isn't one enough?

     

    I also notice you subscribe to lots of TV services. Why not use an cheap antenna instead for free HDTV? Many channels are 1080 with superior picture and sound quality compared to cable , satellite or online.

     

    As I stated before when my current subscriptions to Stereophile and The Absolute Sound expire I will not be renewing them, so the only monthly fees I will have is my apartment rent and my landline phone bill.

     

    Some of this is subscribed for by other family members (mostly the kids); and yes, it adds up quickly.  The point I was trying to get across is that many of these don't amount to that much individually (i.e. $10/month), but we forget how much stuff we have subscribed to and over time vendors make more money this way than if they sold us a one-time license up front (particularly if they autorenew).

     

    I have 4 music software players because I'm curious how they are each progressing (so I support the hobby by supporting them).

     

    As to the TV stuff, here in the US I find Network Television (what you can get for free) to be just terrible, so I subscribe to services that provide me with specific content I want to watch (it is cheaper than going to the movies regularly). 

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    Most people on low fixed income will never buy a subscription...

    And why rent, when you can buy a product that sounds better (e.g. hqplayer), or get free (e.g. fb2k) that you can browse by folders.

    The only reason i would see buying a subscription is if money is of no object and you want to use 2 programs (roon & hqplayer) to get the best sound, but then you still can't browse.

    Jriver, hqplayer, and fb2k make more sense, than paying a subscription fee and have less flexibility.

    when roon changes to a buy with maint updates, then i will add it to my collection of programs.

    I also would likely buy roon $500 lifetime, possibly even more, if they ever use hqplayer internally, add alexa support, and add browse by folder capability...until then it isn't worth it.

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    7 hours ago, beerandmusic said:

    add browse by folder capability

     

    You do know how that is possible to achive even now ?

     

    Aslo if you purchase a SonicTransporter, you are pretty close to “HQPlayer internally”, and I can’t see how a possible rock integration would change that. 

     

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    3 minutes ago, R1200CL said:

     

    You do know how that is possible to achive even now ?

     

    was something new (as in within the last 2-3 years ago added)?  Someone has suggested it is possible by doing some tricks, but then someone contradicted them saying it is not efficient for one reason or the other.  I really don't know the solution, but if no new functionality was added in last 2 years to allow it, then I don't "believe" (but may be wrong), it is intuitive or a smooth operation as typical browse by folder?  But i am all ears.

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    3 minutes ago, beerandmusic said:

    I really don't know the solution

     

    Import by folder. Tag each folder. Then use focus and bookmark. 

     

    Also look here :

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    4 minutes ago, R1200CL said:

     

    Import by folder. Tag each folder. Then use focus and bookmark. 

     

    Also look here :

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    ok, assume i import all my music by "import by folder"

    If i add an album to a folder will it be visible by "storage locations" without additional importing/tagging ?   If not, you really cannot browse by folder?

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    Well, lets expand this a bit then. 

     

    Apple has just indicated that they like you to rent everything on AppStore. No more purchase apps or free downloads.

     

    What a horrible idea. Or ?

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    11 hours ago, R1200CL said:

    Well, lets expand this a bit then. 

     

    Apple has just indicated that they like you to rent everything on AppStore. No more purchase apps or free downloads.

     

    What a horrible idea. Or ?

    The link provided requires a subscription to Business Insider Prime.

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    1 hour ago, rodrigaj said:

    The link provided requires a subscription to Business Insider Prime.

    Comparable articles.

    https://bgr.com/2018/08/13/ios-app-store-moving-to-subscription-model/

    https://venturebeat.com/2018/08/13/apple-reportedly-asked-devs-to-adopt-subscriptions-and-hike-app-prices/

    https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/08/13/apple-met-with-developers-to-2017-to-push-app-subscriptions

     

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    For me it depends a lot on the product, pricing and my support needs (if any).

     

    - sometimes I don't need to stay current.  Every 3rd update may be sufficient making buy model more attractive (i.e not sure why I want more than JRiver MC23 at the moment)

    - some buy models have enough sales to make that even more attractive

    - some SW seems more risky of being my desired platform over time which wouldn't justify too long of a breakeven period 

     

    3 years is often attractive if not too painful upfront and I want all the updates

     

    I use:

    JRiver - buy w/periodic updates

    Emby - lifetime

    Collectorz - buy w/periodic updates

     

    plus Apple Music for phone and Netflix 

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    I am going to add another class of software.  You “purchase” the software for your use and it includes “updates” until the next “major” version is released.   You are HAPPY.  Then six months or nine months down the road the company says HEY DUDE we have a new version and it will be “$49” upgrade fee and you REALLY NEED it.  So how can you be happy with our old and tired software you need the new version;TODAY!!

     

    I am not sure what to call this model but it is happening more and more in the photography world. I think it is a reaction to the costs of keeping software up to date and to keep or increase revenue.  Maybe we call this subscription by proxy?

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    I Have a problem with Roon being called a software subscription.  You are purchasing a database service that provides you information and the control of the flow of music data between your devices and over the network.    Roon has a great database service and the software to run it is very good.  Roon seems to be sliding sidways to hardware and trying to get into the home control world as it used to exist.  I really do not see how control4, etc. helps them in the long run, but I may have a narrow view here.

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    Apple, Amazon, Spotify, the rest of them are again not software but in general a subscription to deliver music from the internet.  Some folks may even get paid in the process for their musical talents.  Apple’s model is here is cool software that only works on our great hardware; please buy some of our hardware..  Amazon just wants to be in between every transaction you do so why not music..  Spotify is Napster for profit....  

     

    *** I am talking about Apple Music mostly but iTunes is a just a delivery tool.  So is Airplay.

     

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    Sonos and Bluesound do software to sell hardware.  Both are scrambling for market share where more and more folks put earbuds on and stream from their devices/internet.  

     

    NAIM and others are trying to bridge the HiFi world and the Smartphone world (So is Roon???).  Again the Apple model of providing software to make their cool hardware work.  I think that this class of hardware and software is going to get bigger if  more people start to understand what “good sound” is.  At least I hope it does for my use and for some of the folks I do consulting for.

     

    *** I really wonder how many multi-room synced streaming services the world needs ***

     

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    It used to be that we glued things together with wires.  Now we network things and glue them together with software.  There is an adage that software is eating the world.  IT might just be true.

     

    I am not sure that the actual distinction of how we “acquire and maintain” software is actually relevant.  It may be emotional like the Adobe and Microsoft shift to subscriptions.  It may be a marriage of systems, data, and hardware like Roon.  

     

    We have to manage our expections and our “history” to understand where we are going.  I think programmability of things is were we are today and that appears to be the trajectory of our music listening.  There will be more software it will cost time and money to develop and deliver.  Some how that bill has to be paid.

     

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    Finally I do know about LP’s, magnetic tape, etc.  They are very very niche and their delta-v to broader use is hardly measureable compared to digital delivery on mobile devices..

     

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    Now back to adjusting my turntable and listening to Roon stream a ripped CD from my server to my stereo..  Man this hobby is fun.

     

     

    Bob

     

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    2 minutes ago, Kal Rubinson said:

    Why does anyone believe that the new version is really needed?  If you are using the old version without issues and the changes/improvements/fixes in the new version do not address anything of concern to you, why change?  I am still using "our old and tired" MIcrosoft Office 2007 because it still does everything I need and there are many other examples.  

    If you handle files from untrusted sources (meaning anyone but yourself, at best), you will need to get fixes for security issues in the software. There are probably a thousand ways Office 2007 can be tricked into doing something nasty simply by opening a file.

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    4 minutes ago, mansr said:

    If you handle files from untrusted sources (meaning anyone but yourself, at best), you will need to get fixes for security issues in the software. There are probably a thousand ways Office 2007 can be tricked into doing something nasty simply by opening a file.

    Possibly but I am pretty careful about untrusted sources and fortunate, at least so far.  (Don't take that as a challenge.)

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    23 minutes ago, mansr said:

    If you handle files from untrusted sources (meaning anyone but yourself, at best), you will need to get fixes for security issues in the software. There are probably a thousand ways Office 2007 can be tricked into doing something nasty simply by opening a file.

    Yes. But a better example would be JRiver. I never upgraded from v20 because they weren’t offering me anything additional I wanted. Like all software, you will at some point need to upgrade or stop using it for security reasons. But with something like JRiver that will probably take a log time. 

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    3 minutes ago, firedog said:

    Yes. But a better example would be JRiver. I never upgraded from v20 because they weren’t offering me anything additional I wanted. Like all software, you will at some point need to upgrade or stop using it for security reasons. But with something like JRiver that will probably take a log time. 

    It's scary what can be achieved with a maliciously crafted mp4 file. Simpler file formats are harder, but not impossible, to exploit. I don't know any specifics regarding JRiver, but all software has bugs.

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    back in the Late Holocene, many, many people used to think that software should be free.

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    Just lightly scanning this thread, the big picture of what is expected/needed for what used be be a simple piece of jukebox emulator software has become staggering. If your dedicated in ways like most folks here are to one extent or another, it's not too bad. But the learning curve for yet another tiny piece of media enjoyment equipment has gone over the roof along with things like your "smart" phone and your cars dashboard.  I'm very pleased my needs are simple, a nice UI to access my files and supply them to my DAC in a bit-perfect manner is all I need. My current Linux build of Clementine does that in a way that fulfills my needs just fine, and it's completely free, while at the same time providing fully transparent audio to my speakers.

    Within 20 years the user manual to flush your toilet will be 300 pages and require 3 months of use to master. Either that or you ask, "Alexa, pull the chain".  ?

     

     

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    5 hours ago, Sal1950 said:

    Just lightly scanning this thread, the big picture of what is expected/needed for what used be be a simple piece of jukebox emulator software has become staggering. If your dedicated in ways like most folks here are to one extent or another, it's not too bad. But the learning curve for yet another tiny piece of media enjoyment equipment has gone over the roof along with things like your "smart" phone and your cars dashboard.  I'm very pleased my needs are simple, a nice UI to access my files and supply them to my DAC in a bit-perfect manner is all I need. My current Linux build of Clementine does that in a way that fulfills my needs just fine, and it's completely free, while at the same time providing fully transparent audio to my speakers.

    Within 20 years the user manual to flush your toilet will be 300 pages and require 3 months of use to master. Either that or you ask, "Alexa, pull the chain".  ?

     

     

    Sal, everyone has their preferences. If you are happy with a simple interface that's great. A few years ago I used the LMS-Squeezebox interface or even Foobar (which I put some effort into personalizing the UI for my needs). I was happy with them. 
     

     I then moved to JRiver/ JRemote. Had a few features which added up to a better experience which added actual enjoyment to listening. 

     

    All of the above had  a learning curve. Nothing too difficult, but some investment of time and effort at the beginning. 
     

    Now I use Roon. Again, for me it's a further upgrade in not just convenience/UI, but an actual increase in enjoyment listening to music. It does a much better job of enabling me to listen to music the way I want to, not the way the app or the HW want me to. IMO the learning curve isn't great. 

     

    I don't expect you to agree.  But you do realize that your Linux build would be beyond the ability or the desire to fiddle of at least 95% of users? They've never done a Linux install and that alone will be a barrier for them. Not to mention using an OS they aren't familiar with. I understand you think it is trivial, but there are reasons Linux has very few adopters in the non professional world outside of hobbyists of one sort or another. For the vast majority that trumps the "free" aspect. 

     

    As far as your other point, I don't know of any playback software that has a zero learning curve for those who don't know about such things. Those who want a zero learning curve should stick to LPs, cassettes, and CDs (unless they are millenials who've never encountered such things before...). 

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    10 hours ago, firedog said:

    I don't expect you to agree.

    I think you misunderstand, it's not a matter of agree or dis-agree, I'm just kind of ranting on the level of complexity that has taken over almost every detail of our every day life. :(

     

    I do have a "KISS" belief system for a high fidelity signal path and feel that a non-invasive approach to handling the original sources data stream will provide the best possible sound. But that's just me, do as you like with the data, only if your going to state that a alteration is going to provide more accurate sound, please provide the evidence.  ;)

     

    11 hours ago, firedog said:

    But you do realize that your Linux build would be beyond the ability or the desire to fiddle of at least 95% of users? 

    You might be surprised there. If you can do a install of Windoz, you could install PCLOS, I spend many years working with Texstar and others to design a user friendly Windoz replacement Linux OS desktop. A fully GUI designed install with the options to get under the hood if desired.  But that's a whole other story.  ;)

     

     

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