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    Extending A Network For HiFi

    More and more music lovers are using Ethernet or wireless audio components to enjoy both serious and background listening experiences. Many of us are fortunate to have a robust network near our audio components. We find the components we want to use, whether that be Sonos, Bluesound, microRendu, or dCS Rossini etc..., and drop them into our homes without a second thought. On the other hand, many music lovers live in places where wired Ethernet can't be run to the appropriate location within the residence or wireless can't penetrate the walls well enough to stream lossless audio. 

     

    I've seen and heard about some whacky "solutions" thought up by many audiophiles to work around these unfortunate circumstances. Based on these experiences, I decided to do the research and come up with recommended hardware that people can purchase off the shelf, for a very reasonable amount of money, to solve the nonexistent or shoddy network issues. 

     


    The Problem

     

    Here are some use cases this article was designed to address. This list is far from exhaustive. 

     

    1. I want to use a HiFi device that only supports wired Ethernet, such as the Sonore microRendu, dCS Rossini, or any number of DACs. 
    2. My audio device can supports wired and wireless, but requires a specific USB adapter for wireless that is less than ideal and I'd rather stay away from wireless if possible. Plus, I don't have wired Ethernet near my audio system.
    3. I need a wired network connection to control my music server, even though the music storage for playback is all local to the server.
    4. I have a wireless only audio device and the wireless signal strength isn't strong enough where I want to place the device. 

     

     

     

     

    The Solutions

     

    There are two straightforward solutions to this problem. The first is to extend one's wired network via powerline networking devices. The second is to extend one's network via a wireless range extender. Both solutions can work great and both solutions have many options. On the contrary, both solutions can fail miserably or not come with little added features that make life easy. 

     

    My recommendations below are based on researching the potential solutions, purchasing what I think are the best solutions, and extensively testing these solutions in a HiFi setting. I have no doubt that there are other solutions that will work just as well or not at all. I'm also certain that the following recommended solutions will not work in all situations. Some home power lines or configurations or building materials just aren't conducive to anything related to computer networks. 

     

    In addition, I'm certain that the recommended solutions have zero negative effects on audio playback quality in my system. Meaning, I can't hear a difference between these two solutions and the $13,000 Cisco / Ruckus network I had in place during these tests. I can't say what the experience of others will be, but I can at least state that this is my experience. 

     

     

    Solution A: End-to-End Wired Ethernet with the TP-Link AV2000 Powerline Adapters $100

     

     

    TP-Link AV2000 People looking to use wired connections only, for better or worse, should consider the TP-Link AV2000 Powerline Adapter Kit (TL-PA9020P KIT) for $100. I my testing this kit was substantially slower than its rated speed, but never caused a problem for music playback. Technically this kit could achieve 2 gigabit per second speeds, but in my house I averaged between 175-200 megabits per second (image). Given that I was only testing this system for high resolution and streaming music playback, the achieved speeds were more than enough. I successfully streamed gapless PCM at 24/352.8 and DSD128 without a single issue. 

     

     

    Below is a diagram of the configuration in my house while testing the TP-Link AV2000 Powerline Adapters. My house was built in 1941 and contains a mix of original and circa 1990 electrical wiring. The main electrical panel has been updated since the house was built. My guess is that it was also installed around 1990. The total length of electrical wiring between the powerline adapters was less than 100 feet. All of this can matter greatly, due to how powerline networking functions. 

     

    To state the obvious, powerline networking uses one electrical power wires to carry Ethernet packets. The recommended TP-Link AV2000 uses the latest HomePlug AV2 standard. This means it's compatible with a host of other devices that also meet this standard and should work with devices meeting the earlier HomePlug AV standard (version 1). 

     

    Getting back to the age and length of electrical wiring, powerline networking performance is similar to wireless in that it degrades over distance and certain obstacles. One of those major obstacles is circuits. Powerline signals degrade are attenuated by roughly 20 dB for every circuit breaker they traverse. In my situation, the signal was attenuated by 40 dB because it traveled through two breakers. 

     

    Circuit breaker caused attenuation is one factor, but the length and health of electrical wires can also degrade the Ethernet signal as can other devices on the same circuit. Noisy switching power supplies from many of our devices can cause signal attenuation similar to appliances such as a refrigerator or air conditioner. Of note with the AV2000 is its built-in passthrough AC port. This is a great feature, but provides direct access to inject noise on the AC line, that is essentially the Ethernet wire. According to all powerline adapter manufacturers I've seen, using a surge protector or power stripe is not recommended.

     

    One item of concern for newer homes may be use of AFCI or Arc Fault circuit breakers. These can cut performance of powerline networking by as much as 50%. According to Wikipedia, "AFCI breakers have been required for circuits feeding electrical outlets in residential bedrooms by the electrical codes of Canada and the United States since the beginning of the 21st century; the U.S. National Electrical Code has required them to protect most residential outlets since 2014, and the Canadian Electrical Code has since 2015."
     
    Powerline adapters such as the TP-Link AV2000 should be plugged into a three pronged / grounded outlet because the grounding prong can actually be used for Ethernet signal transmission. During my tests, I originally connected one unit to a grounded outlet and the other to an outlet with an adapter missing the ground prong. After fixing this "issue" I re-ran the same tests and found zero difference in performance. 

     

    Using the AV2000 adapters in my house was really easy. I plugged them in and pressed the "Pair" button. In a few seconds I can a live Ethernet connection over my power lines. These units come with a software utility for configuration and display of network speed between the devices. In my testing, for the purposes of playing music, I found the configuration options to be needless. I tested switching the Quality of Service from Internet to Online Game to Voice over IP to Audio or Video, but noticed to measurable difference performance. This may be likely due to the fact that QoS isn't really needed on a network without much traffic. 

     

    A nice feature of the AV2000 is its dual Gbps Ethernet ports. This enabled me to connect two audio devices such as the Sonore microRendu and dCS Rossini. Of course, should more ports be needed, I could have easily added a small switch. The size of this unit is a bit large in that the top covers the bottom of the outlet above, assuming it's installed in the bottom of a duplex outlet. Only a two pronged device will fit above the AV2000, but the built-in AC passthrough port will accept a three pronged device. 

     

    One final note for those worried about injecting noise into their audio playback chains. The AV2000 essentially gives you an Ethernet jack in a location where you need it. Thus, you can use a fiber converter to isolate your audio components from all electrical signals related to the powerline adapter. The signal would go from the AV2000 to a fiber converter to a fiber cable and back to a converter to an Ethernet cable for connection to the audio device. 

     

    Full name of the kit (pair of two units) I recommend - TP-Link AV2000 Powerline Adapter Kit, 2-Port, Gigabit w/ Power Outlet Pass-through, up to 2000Mbps (TL-PA9020P KIT) - $100

     

     

     

    AV2000

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    Solution B: Extending the Network with a Wired and Wireless Combination Using the TP-Link AC2600 Dual Band Wi-Fi Range Extender w/ Gigabit Ethernet Port $145

     

    This a very interesting solution, and the solution I prefer, for three reasons. 

     

    1. It can be used to extend one's wireless network in the case of a week signal.
    2. It can be used to place a wired Ethernet port in any location and connect the Ethernet device to one's network via wireless.
    3. It's much faster than wired powerline networking in my house.

     

     

    TP-Link AV2000 In my testing, I used the TP-Link AC2600 Dual Band Wi-Fi Range Extender, not for my wireless devices, but to connect my Ethernet based audio devices. The name of the device says Range Extender, but for HiFi purposes the real benefit is to place an Ethernet port near an audio system, without requiring an Ethernet cable run to anywhere else in the house. The signal path goes from a device like the dCS Rossini to the RE650 via wired Ethernet, then to the rest of my main wireless access point (ASUS RT-AC3200, Asuswrt-Merlin firmware v380.66_4, in AP mode) and on to the rest of my network (see diagram below). This eliminates any physical connection, for good or bad, between the network devices. 

     

    Using a couple different wired Ethernet audio devices connected to the RE650's Ethernet port, I successfully streamed gapless PCM at 24/352.8 and DSD128 without a single issue. In fact, I'm writing this article on, and streaming audio to, my iMac that's connected to the RE650 right now. It works for high resolution audio, streaming audio, and anything else I've tried over the network. Absolutely zero issues. 

     

    What surprised me most about the RE650 was its speed. For the heck of it, I ran an internet speed test while connected to each solution and without either solution (directly connected to my switch). My direct connection to the switch (and on to the internet) was the fastest, reaching speeds of 929.45 Mbps download and 934.34 Mbps upload. The AV2000 powerline adapters performed at speeds of only 43.82 Mbps download and 51.62 Mbps upload. The RE650 was much faster than the AV2000, reaching speeds of 279.29 Mbps download and 641.68 upload. Given that the speed of the much slower AV2000 was fast enough to play all my high resolution audio, I am certain the increased speed of the RE650 isn't needed, but it's nice to know I could add several more devices on to the RE650 without a perceived drop in performance to my audio playback. 

     

    Direct AV2000 Test RE650 Test

     

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    The RE650 supports both 2.4GHz and 5.8GHz wireless bands. This means that it can connect to the existing wireless network on either band and it can connect wirelessly to a client on either band. During the easy setup procedure it's possible to select which band to it should connect to and the client device can also select which band as long as SSID names are separate. Setting the RE650 to connect to the main wireless router on one band and clients connecting to the RE650 on a different band is highly recommended. Because I didn't connect to this device via wireless, I can't offer any feedback here, other than to say a major performance hit can be taken if the same band is used. 

     

    A really cool feature of the RE650 is ability to restrict which devices can connect to it via wireless. For example, if you only want audio related devices connecting through the RE650, you can blacklist (or whitelist) devices or set time based permissions. In house full of network connected devices, this may be very nice. 

     

    One final note for those worried about injecting noise into their audio playback chains. The RE650 essentially gives you an Ethernet jack in a location where you need it. Thus, you can use a fiber converter to isolate your audio components from all electrical signals related to the RE650. The signal would go from the RE650 to a fiber converter to a fiber cable and back to a converter to an Ethernet cable for connection to the audio device. 

     

    Full name of the device is TP-Link AC2600 Dual Band Wi-Fi Range Extender w/ Gigabit Ethernet Port (RE650) - $145

     

     

     

    RE650

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    Wrap Up

     

    Over the course of my tests of the TP-Link AV2000 and TP-Link RE650, I was 100% satisfied with each devices' performance for audio playback and stability. I successfully pulled high resolution PCM and DSD128 from my NAS to different audio endpoints over both wireless and powerline networking, without a single issue. Both technologies worked in my house and I highly recommend people try either one, based on some of the information above. If you have old electrical wires or AFCI circuit breakers, it may be advisable to go with the wireless option. I know some people are absolutely against wireless in their homes, thus making the wired powerline solution a better choice. If your house is similar to mine, you can't go wrong with either solution. That said, only you know the makeup of your residence. No wireless is going to penetrate concrete walls well and no powerline network is going to fend off all the potential attenuators inherent in a home. However, for $100 - $150, the cost of entry is fairly low and the potential benefits are priceless. Music in one's house is worth much more than the cost of these devices. 

     

     

     

     




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    Power line communications works by adding noise to your power lines... some EMC advisers, notably Kieth Armstrong (EMC club) would like to see it banned... It is adding extra noise (EMI) to an already dirty mains, just worth thinking about.

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    20 minutes ago, marce said:

    Power line communications works by adding noise to your power lines... some EMC advisers, notably Kieth Armstrong (EMC club) would like to see it banned... It is adding extra noise (EMI) to an already dirty mains, just worth thinking about.

     

    Wow, I never thought about it that way. I always think about what the power line could do to the Ethernet signal, not what the powerline networkign could do to the power line. 

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    I know it's "crazy" to think different devices could sound different, but I trust my ears since it's so obvious. I had an Apple Airport Extreme connecting to my Airport Express and between my home's awful lath and plaster and neighbors with increasingly multiple wi-fi access points, dropouts went from none to several on some nights. I had to find a new solution. Tried a couple well-regarded consumer units but the sound quality was worse than the Airport Extreme. Not supposed to happen, right? Sure, except it did.

     

    Bit the bullet and crossed my fingers and bought a Netgear Orbi. Thankfully, problem solved on both counts: solid signal, solid sound quality. I compared it with direct optical from my laptop into my W4S Remedy and overall I still preferred the wi-fi.

     

    Just my $0.02 to suggest you (still) have to trust your ears and "everything counts in large amounts." We should rewrite the lyrics of that song for audiophiles.

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    Its not just home internet, smart meters are read from the power companies, somewhere I have an article showing how much noise is being added as communications, I will dig it out when I'm at work. I do know Radio hams do suffer problems with it, EMC UK banana skins has many a tale.

     

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    Thank you Chris for this article, i took a chance and bought the TP-Link AV2000 Powerline Adapters to solve some drop out i was having with WI-FI and the MicroRendu. Beautiful Music, no drop out and ......Damn if it didn't sound better too. thanks you sir!!!

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    Would love to try the Eero solution, but I just moved to an old house with no Ethernet wiring, so need to find a solution that will work with my Micro Rendu.  I've looked at some range extenders that have an Ethernet port, but the Eero doesn't seem to offer that, unless I misunderstood.  It looks like the Eero has two Ethernet ports, but one in from the wall and one out.

     

    Colin

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    8 hours ago, Booster MPS said:

    @jtwrace@The Computer Audiophile, buddy in IT sent another option my way similar to EERO.  Looks very similar.

     

    https://portalwifi.com/technology

    Looks good but I have no knowledge of using them. However, I've used eero from day one and and can say that they work flawlesss for all audio needs.  Also, look at the Gen 2 eero.  That's insane!  

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    I will add to the praises of the Eero solution. I have used them in many difficult older homes where there was no Cat5 infrastructure and they had been using any number of Apple or other extender solutions and the Eero totally smokes them. I have seen instances with ZERO loss of speed going from one area to another with up to five combining to make a mesh network that completely covers a house. Wired AP's still are better (and lower cost) overall but the Eero's are remarkable. The technology behind them is now showing up in a number of other companies offerings and my guess is it will become the new standard for wireless broadcast in homes. Would not be surprised to see Apple come out with products in this sector to replace their aging AirPort line. 

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    14 hours ago, frederick184 said:

    Would love to try the Eero solution, but I just moved to an old house with no Ethernet wiring, so need to find a solution that will work with my Micro Rendu.  I've looked at some range extenders that have an Ethernet port, but the Eero doesn't seem to offer that, unless I misunderstood.  It looks like the Eero has two Ethernet ports, but one in from the wall and one out.

     

    Colin

    The port that goes out can be used even if the unit is wirelessly tied to original wired unit in another location. Meaning, use first Eero plugged into your modem and the next one wirelessly near your Micro and use the Ethernet port out of it into Micro. 

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    5 hours ago, realhifi said:

    The port that goes out can be used even if the unit is wirelessly tied to original wired unit in another location. Meaning, use first Eero plugged into your modem and the next one wirelessly near your Micro and use the Ethernet port out of it into Micro. 

    OK, thanks, that's what I was hoping.  I'll wait until Gen 2 is released at the end of the month.

     

    Colin

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    On 6/13/2017 at 10:57 AM, marce said:

    Its not just home internet, smart meters are read from the power companies, somewhere I have an article showing how much noise is being added as communications, I will dig it out when I'm at work. I do know Radio hams do suffer problems with it, EMC UK banana skins has many a tale.

     

     

    Here in Seattle, I was able to opt-out of the Smart Meter program. Of course, I have to pay for the right to do so...

    http://www.seattle.gov/light/ami/opt-out.asp

     

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    15 hours ago, realhifi said:

    I will add to the praises of the Eero solution. ...it will become the new standard for wireless broadcast in homes. Would not be surprised to see Apple come out with products in this sector to replace their aging AirPort line. 

     

    As I understand it, Apple fired/transferred their wi-fi engineers a couple years back. This was written about in the Apple-centric media quite a bit. Apple is not the "pro" company they used to be which is too bad, really, because many people (myself included) appreciate the "more-plug-n-play-than-pray" nature of their gear compared to the PC masses.

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    19 hours ago, feelingears said:

     

    As I understand it, Apple fired/transferred their wi-fi engineers a couple years back. This was written about in the Apple-centric media quite a bit. Apple is not the "pro" company they used to be which is too bad, really, because many people (myself included) appreciate the "more-plug-n-play-than-pray" nature of their gear compared to the PC masses.

     

    I suppose.

     

    I remember taking two different classes a number of years ago that were different but very similar in that both used computers for the main thrust of the classes. One was learning AutoCAD in DOS and not only doing plans but getting into 3D modeling and simple textures and the other was a graphics class utilizing Illustrator on Macs to do simple graphics for illustration and ads.  There was no contest as to which computers had more problems and issues with crashing, graphics, printing, you name it. The Macs had problems nearly every day I went to that class whereas the geeky PCs chugged along spitting out complex working drawings for mechanical tooling, scaled plans for both residential and commercial buildings, 3D models of complex parts, buildings, etc. with nary a hiccup in day to day to use. Of course they could bog down if something simply had too much information for the ram and hard drive to quickly render but that was simply taking their computing power to their limits. 

     

    For ME Apple didn't really get my attention until their forays into mobile devices and once I started there was no going back. They simply rule in that area and darned if it isn't reflected in their rise in the last 10 or so years. 

     

    PS.  I wouldn't count them out of the wireless device / router arena just yet.  For them to totally turn that over to some of the awful companies making that type of gear today doesn't make sense and if I'm betting (and I am) they are not finished in that area. 

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    For the TP-Link... if:

     

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    the real benefit is to place an Ethernet port near an audio system, without requiring an Ethernet cable run to anywhere else in the house

     

    Then why not just use a wireless bridge? They're about $30.

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    1 hour ago, Dan Gravell said:

    For the TP-Link... if:

     

     

    Then why not just use a wireless bridge? They're about $30.

     

    That's what the TP-Link RE650 is. It's the best one available. 

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    12 hours ago, Dan Gravell said:

    For the TP-Link... if:

     

     

    Then why not just use a wireless bridge? They're about $30.

     

    I wish they could come up with a general name for it. Wireless bridge, wireless adapter, wireless media bridge and client mode is a few examples of one and the same thing. Bottom line is that it works great! ?

    Ever tried to connect it to a network switch?

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    Has anyone tried the Google wireless mesh routers that are competing with the Eero's?

     

    They are slightly cheaper.

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    On 6/9/2017 at 2:24 AM, Pedro Romão said:

    Been there, tried both before and in my case went for a third option (although only valid if you have a pre-installed tv-cable: MoCa (Ethernet over Coaxial).

    Works perfect, no speed issues and unlike the solution over power line, I cannot detect sound degradation.

     

    +1

    I have found MOCA to be the most solid solution next to wired ethernet. As stated above you do need to already have coax into the room. For many this is a good choice for your den or basement TV room since cable will already be there. Also not all ISP router support it. I have Verizon FIOS and MOCA solved both my TV buffering issues and for getting solid Internet into my basement.

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    42 minutes ago, mourip said:

    +1

    I have found MOCA to be the most solid solution next to wired ethernet. As stated above you do need to already have coax into the room. For many this is a good choice for your den or basement TV room since cable will already be there. Also not all ISP router support it. I have Verizon FIOS and MOCA solved both my TV buffering issues and for getting solid Internet into my basement.

    Even if your ISP's router does not support it (as does FIOS), you can add MoCA by connecting two of their boxes to your coaxial lines, one for input and the other for output.  You can even add more.

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    4 hours ago, Kal Rubinson said:

    Even if your ISP's router does not support it (as does FIOS), you can add MoCA by connecting two of their boxes to your coaxial lines, one for input and the other for output.  You can even add more.

     

    Excellent. Good to know.

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    On 6/12/2017 at 6:37 AM, marce said:

    Power line communications works by adding noise to your power lines... some EMC advisers, notably Kieth Armstrong (EMC club) would like to see it banned... It is adding extra noise (EMI) to an already dirty mains, just worth thinking about.

     

    Well guess what? I just put on some vinyl since installing the powerline adapters, and what you said could not be more true.

     

    Even on a different circuit than my dedicated 20 amp audio circuit, my phono stage is picking up noise generated by the TPLINK.

     

    Plugging the TPLINK into a filtered outlet bank slows it down so much that I have dropouts when playing some DSD64 tracks.

     

    May have to look at other solutions, too bad because this one was so easy and cheap.

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