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    The Music In Me: Rap of History Backwards The

    A Warning:

    The last two songs in this article might offend some people, so keep that in mind if you’re playing it in a public space— Gilbert.

     

    An Introduction:

    Look, I know I know too little about this subject to say I’m an expert, so I’m not. I’m not going to opine on the form or its practitioners, proponents, prophets or phans. (Sorry, I just had to do that. You get it, with the phat thing, right?) I know there must be rap artists who are soulful more than angry, and I know some people are making beautiful music that’s called rap or hip-hop, and I’m sorry but I must conflate the two. I don’t know about it or the scene, and I don’t have to, because I only want to tell you about the first rap song that I heard, and do a little history. I like a little history. I’ll bet there isn’t a rock fan out there who doesn’t know who Chuck Berry is and his music, but I’d bet there aren’t many rap fans who know who Gil Scott-Heron is. But first, the history, and I’ll ask you to keep in mind that in the entertainment industry, innovation is quickly replicated and exploited.

     

    The History:

    Oh, I am so not the right guy to expound on the history of rap. But I heard a few lines from a song I hadn’t heard in years, see, and it made me think about it. And I have this column, see? I’m telling you now I’m no expert. I’m just a guy. Okay, a guy with a column. Like a lot of old people, I don’t get rap music. I didn’t get it when it started and I’m probably too old now; I ignore it now because when it first broke big, I just didn’t like it. There was too much violence, too many gats, glocks and putting a cap in someone’s ass. It all seemed to be swagger about n--gers, bitches, blunts and bling. I understood anti-social sentiment, honest- I’ve enjoyed a bit of it myself in my youth, but where was the music? Suddenly everyone was clever for stealing using bits from other people’s music. That didn’t used to be cool in the 60’s, man. I appreciated the innovation, but I just didn’t find the music in there. Okay, if melody was going to be subverted by cleverness, I gave it a listen, but what I was hearing just seemed… angry. I understood the anger coming out of urban, less privileged areas like Brooklyn, the Bronx and lower Manhattan. I got that. I got why it was coming from places like Compton. But I missed melody, you know?

     

    So rap sells a lot of music and is one of our most popular music forms. But nothing comes from out of a vacuum, so where did it come from? First, let’s look at the word “rap.” Yeah, it’s a bad thing if it refers to a criminal charge, but that wasn’t what it meant when we used it back in the mid-Sixties. It came from “rapport” and it usually meant that you were under the influence of the demon drug, marijuana. It just meant someone went on a talking jag. Logorrhea, as it were. Could have been about someone on meth, but it came out of the pot community. People got stoned and went off on verbal tangents, sometimes seemingly endlessly. It was kind of a joke, you know, when a guy looked around him and realized he’d been talking nonstop and had no idea what he’d been talking about. That was rapping. Or, you could be with someone else, or even a group, and having an earnest discussion. Pot wasn’t necessarily a component in this instance. That was rapping, too. I used to cringe when they called it a “rap session,” but that’s what we called them back then where I was, and I was in a lot of places. It was just silly talk or a serious discussion; either way, we rapped. And now it means something else, but that’s where it came from, and this is about how it got to here, so we’re going backwards.

     

    Let’s start with all the rap music that’s out in the world right now, and go back from there. Let’s include Kurtis Blow, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, and Biggie and Tupac, and N.W.A. and Ice-T and Snoop Dogg and Eminem and Nicki Minaj and Kesha and everyone you know in that field, and there’s a lot of them. Let’s call all of them current artists, and yes, I know who’s dead. Let’s say that these are the folks you know, and for those of you that know more than I do about the recent history of rap, please excuse my glossing over most of the details to get to the first of it. Let’s go backwards to January, 1981. You’ll like this.

     

    The first mainstream rap hit song was “Rapture,” by Blondie. Rap song? Blondie? The New Wave hit machine? Well, it had a rap, no doubt, and up ‘til then, rap had always been tough black guys, mostly gangsta, you feel me? Well, Debbie Harry was as opposite all that as you could devise, but it was rap—okay, maybe rap-ish—but Blondie was a powerhouse group and the song did have rap. It was also the beginning of the Age of Video, and MTV played the bejeesus out of the song. It was November, 1980 when that song came out and became the first major pop hit with rap in it. It was dipping your toes in rap, but it was huge. What preceded it?

     

    Well, that would be “Rapper’s Delight,” by The Sugar Hill Gang, which came out in September, 1979, and went to #36 on the Billboard Hot 100, #4 on the Soul chart, #1 in Canada and Europe. It’s thought of as the first song to introduce rap (or hip-hop) to U.S. audiences, was a great big hit, and you know about sampling, right? This would be when sampling came into prominence, and from that development two phenomena emerged: today’s rap music, and a whole boatload of very wealthy lawyers. And you know who they sampled for this big hit?

     

    Well, that would be “Good Times,” by Chic, which came out in June of 1979, and went on to be sampled too many times to even estimate at this point (note: check out Who Sampled for a list of the 180 times this track has been sampled and many other delights - CC). But “Rapper’s Delight” was the first to almost go mainstream, and when it hit, Debbie brought legendary singer/songwriter/producer/ recent Rock ‘n’ Roll Hall of Fame inductee Nile Rodgers of Chic, to a club where he heard his beats and bass lines being used in some other guys’ song. He asked the DJ what record it was, the DJ told him he just bought it that day in Harlem, and it was an early version of “Rapper’s Delight,” whereupon they sued over the use of their record, and he and his bass player are now listed as co-writers. So, was “Rapper’s Delight” with all the “Good Times’” samples the first rap record to get serious airplay? No, that would be “King Tim III (Personality Jock),” by The Fatback Band, in March of 1979. And think about that title for an indication of how rare this was. It was happening fast, wasn’t it? Where’d this come from?  

     

    The funk dance outfit The Fatback Band was looking for something new, something energetic to put out. Knowing about the parties (remember- we’re going backwards here), they hired Tim Washington, an almost unknown MC who used to throw out raps at parties, and they recorded the song. They were a funk band, but they’d wanted something innovative, something to drive the song, so they went to a rapper because that was still all but unknown on any music charts, but there were dance parties in the Bronx and now elsewhere that were increasing in popularity, and rap was still exciting and daring. They thought the dance parties were not their dance crowd, so they put it out as the B-side. They thought those parties out there were for someone else,  but the song took off like a shot in clubs and parties, and they re-released it as the A-side. I’m guessing the folks over at Sugar Hill Records thought they were on to something as they prepared to release “Rapper’s Delight,” shortly thereafter, and they were right. So now we’re back in March of 1979, when “King Tim” came out. So where’d he come from? Glad I asked.

     

    What had been going on until “King Tim” was parties with MCs, starting in 1973, when Coke La Rock and DJ Kool Herc teamed up for a dance party in the Bronx to celebrate his sister’s birthday. La Rock improvised lines over the beats, mostly calling out to friends in the crowd and making up short stories to the beat, puffing up him and his friends. He did their first few parties from behind the speakers so no one knew who was rapping. For the sixth party, he started calling himself La Rock, and stepped out in front and got bolder, incorporating more poetry into his lines. His antics were getting closer to rap, but it was closer to a combination of performance art and showing off. The idea caught on and other parties started featuring MCs, and I’m using the term in a general way or we’ll be here all day.

     

    Their success made these two players influential as the other MCs started showing up at dance parties. Violence was always a part of the raps because they reflected the reality of life in the ghetto, but the lore must have included the night when DJ Kool Herc was stabbed at a party, and when La Rock went looking to settle the score, he found that friends of the perpetrator had sent the guy out of town. La Rock mostly retired from rapping after that, but his influence lived on with the current and then the next generation of rappers. Later rappers eschewed La Rock’s improvisations, writing out the lyrics out and rehearsing their rhymes with a crew, which allowed them to become more complex. These parties continued outside the notice of mainstream record labels and the songs appeared mostly on tape until The Fatback Band, and we’ve been there and done that, so what the hell could possibly have preceded Coke La Rock in 1973? I’ve got two names for you: Gil Scott-Heron and The Last Poets.

     

    Summer, 1971.  The “Sixties” are over, but racial tensions continue to erupt.

     

    Gi-Scott-HeronAnd this is where I came in. In the old days, the pre-Sixties, we only had AM radios and all we listened to was Top 40. When all that changed with the Underground Radio revolution, we all listened to our FM stations, and that was where this essay starts. The snippet of the song I heard that started me on this quest was in the opening music for the just-ended season of “Homeland,” on Showtime. I heard a phrase that I’d heard the first time in the song “The Revolution Will Not Be Televised,” by Gil Scott-Heron. It would only ever be played on FM in the summer of 1971; it was too hot for AM, and I don’t mean “hot” in the good way. Over the years, the phrase popped up now and then, and I know there isn’t an ex-hipster out there who forgot it, and when I heard it on that show, I wanted to know more about it.

     

    It was played on FM because it was daring, it was about “the revolution” that had evolved into the middle class when the hippies got married and had children; some were left some behind. AM wouldn’t touch it, and it didn’t ignite any flames that I know of, but I heard it, and so did those of us still listening. I wasn’t alarmed, but I did think that this was something new. Not just the message, but the medium. That was new, and I paid attention. It was in 1971, and it didn’t ignite any flames, but it was something different, and that’s what I heard. Different. It was jazzy and pop-ish, but it had a message, maybe a warning. In the early Sixties, Dylan wrote: “Yes, it is I who is knockin’ at your door if it is you inside who hears the noise,” and we heard him knocking when he sang,

     

    Oh the foes will rise with the sleep still in their eyes

    And they’ll jerk from their beds and think they’re dreamin’

    And they’ll pinch themselves and squeal and know that it’s for real

    The hour when the ship comes in

     

    The message was received, the Sixties had come and gone, and there’d been some changes made. But not enough for a lot of the black community, who were still restless, waiting for all the freedoms that were promised so recently. Black Olympians had raised their fists in the Black Power salute, James Brown said “I’m black and I’m proud,” but where were the changes? The influence of the Black Panthers had come and gone by 1971, when Gil Scott-Heron released “The Revolution Will Not Be Televised.” He was speaking for a group that was virtually unheard in pop culture, and we heard the warning. We’d heard it from Dylan, and he’d been chillingly right…

     

    I remember comparing the two in 1971. When I heard it recently, I asked myself if this wasn’t the origin of rap. It was certainly so in my mind, and then I saw that confirmed in my research, but I also found one more step backwards in the history of rap, and that would be to The Last Poets, a group founded in the wake of the late 1960’s Civil Rights Movement, and its Black Nationalist’s offshoot. Angry revolutionaries, they made no effort to couch their message in radio-ready language, and so it was months before Scott-Heron put out “The Revolution Will Not Be Televised” that they released The Last Poets, which, out of concern for my host’s inbox I will call: this song and the other song, neither of which you may play in sensitive situations.

     

    I never heard this group back then, and I can guess why. Maybe it was because of the language? I don’t know, maybe Station Managers or Program Directors or owners felt that playing Gil Scott-Heron was daring, but playing The Last Poets was a bridge too far. Even hippie stations had to sell ads and keep their licenses. Don’t know, don’t care; this is about the first rap music and I think this is it. Maybe you never heard of The Last Poets, either, but they were not unheard, and if you listen, you can hear their echoes today. Them and Gil Scott-Heron.

     

    Were they angry? Definitely. Got a point? You decide. What I decided was that this was as far back as I can trace rap. Yes, there may be evidence of rap as far back as the early 18th Century in Congo Square, but 1970 is as far as I go.

     

    Now rap is everywhere and has fragmented into styles and methods, as it should. It’s in clubs, on TV, on the web and stuck in people’s ears; if there are still boom boxes, then it’s there, too. It’s on the guy’s radio next to you at a red light, and at or near every 7-11 in at least in Southern California, and it’s in movies and TV soundtracks, and it’s in the news, and its biggest stars are the biggest stars, and it’s come a long way from The Last Poets and Gil Scott-Heron and Coke La Rock and The Fatback Band.

     

    You may now go back to the present day. And good day to you.  

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    GilbertgGilbert Klein has enough degrees and not enough stories. He’s been a radio talk show host, a nightclub owner, event producer, and has written two books: FAT CHANCE about the legendary KFAT radio, and FOOTBALL 101. He threatens to write one more. He spent 25 years in New York, 25 years in San Francisco, and is now purportedly retired in Baja.




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    1 hour ago, Ralf11 said:

     

     

    chill the personal attacks drubbie

     

    for you, I recommend punk and funk

     

    to loosen you up

    oh, OK Mr. Heckler.   

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    4 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    Hi Sal - It's probably for a much larger discussion, but the activity you mention pales in comparison to the fact that one guy from the financial industry went to prison after the last meltdown. 

     

    Anyway, the Britney concert was entertainment and I was entertained. I was also entertained when seeing Eric Clapton play Royal Albert Hall from the front row. He sang and played every lick of course.

     

    I was less entertained watching Metallica play Woodstock '94 while the sound cut out and I was soaking wet. 

    I thought the whole discussion was music, not whether we attended a concert and were "entertained".  going to a concert has both audio and visual elements.  listening to an album is only audio and some concerts being ridiculously loud, tend to end up being more visual since our hearing is damaged.

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    1 minute ago, DRB100 said:

    I thought the whole discussion was music, not whether we attended a concert and were "entertained".  going to a concert has both audio and visual elements.  listening to an album is only audio and some concerts being ridiculously loud, tend to end up being more visual since our hearing is damaged.

     

    You kids get off my lawn.

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    On 7/11/2017 at 5:33 PM, DRB100 said:

    That's where the music industry has failed.  They have brainwashed people like yourself to hold entertainers higher than a musician.  That's immaturity.  It's not about shaking one's ass on stage as musical.  It's just selling sex to perverts.  Because she's essentially selling sex which is why you liked the show.  She's made up to look attractive by her clothing, make up and her seductive dancing.  But imagine if she was butt ugly, had clothing that was not sudictive and she just stood there and they had no dance production?  Trust me, you wouldn't have liked it and you would have walked.   Selling sex with a dance oriented show isn't exactly music of high quality as there is little to no musicianship involved.  That's why the RIAA to me is garbage.  It's not about the music, it's about the show.   F that. That's bullshit.  

     

    Is this a new rap song? Dude with all these words you are writing, if you've got delivery there's a new sub-genre ...

    For your own sanity, take the other (chill) pill ...

     

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    Really brief music theory concerning rap:

     

    European music => melody focused

    African music => (complex) rhythm focused

     

    Jazz => blend of melody & complex rhythm 

    Rock => simplify rhythm

    Rap => simplify or eliminate melody -- it's all about the rhythm of the words

     

    Instruments = 2 turntables & microphone

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    there is an story I heard that when Africans first heard Europeon classical music they thought it was too simplistic and boring

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    If you cannot Hum it ...it's not music...The only test I need...Rap's not music!  Plain and simple!

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    28 minutes ago, LarryMagoo said:

    If you cannot Hum it ...it's not music...The only test I need...Rap's not music!  Plain and simple!

    That sucks, there goes my metal music.  I have a hard time humming Slayer albums.

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    43 minutes ago, LarryMagoo said:

    If you cannot Hum it ...it's not music...The only test I need...Rap's not music!  Plain and simple!

    Schoenberg was similarly criticized

    Listen to what you like

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    17 minutes ago, ShawnC said:

    That sucks, there goes my metal music.  I have a hard time humming Slayer albums.

    On no! I think you'd be far more likely to get a hummer while listening to Slayer than say Donny Osmond ;) 

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    Consider rap like a drum solo:

    Or alternatively notice how the song starts with rap & drum intro: 

    Google "call & response"

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    The above link is dead^

    This example isn't sampled. The "call" is melodic, and the "response" is rap/percussion:

     

    By what definition of "music" isn't this music?

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    23 minutes ago, jabbr said:

    The above link is dead^

    This example isn't sampled. The "call" is melodic, and the "response" is rap/percussion:

     

    By what definition of "music" isn't this music?

    The real question is, is it any good.   The problem with rap, is that it's rhythmical but it's not melodic.   The singer is singing, which is more "musical" since it combines melody and rhythm.  As far as the background music.  I can't tell if it's a sample of an actual performance or whether it's programmed or a combination of the two.  My gut tells me that part of it is actually performed, but part of it is programmed, or a loop of another performance. To me, this pushes the actual recording more towards a production based recording rather than a performance based recording.

     

    What's the difference?  In performance based recording, they don't try to hide anything.  It's all based on a performance of musicians on musical instruments.  I prefer that, especially if it's well performed, recorded.   With production based recordings, they tend to hide the inadequacies of the musicians, or the lack fo musicians because they don't want to have to pay musicians.   To me, that's getting away from what music is supposed to be all about.   Production based recordings tend to be more sterile sounding since a programmed music track lacks the dynamics, and expression of the musician since it's hard to program a musicians' FEEL and EXPRESSION and Spontaneity. 

     

    Example.  Take 10 drummers and put them all on the exact same drum set, give them a written score and each of them will play it differently based on each drummers' FEEL, EXPRESSION, INTERPRETATION of the written score.  How do you program the FEEL and EXPRESSION and INTERPRETATION of a drummer?    

    If one knows the playing style of a particular drummer, they can tell who the drummer is by listening to the performance. With computerized drum tracks, you can't tell who programmed it as it's generic and it lacks that human feel/approach to a performance.


    Some of us prefer the performance based recordings and it just appears that the younger generation is growing up with computers and they want the instant gratification of using a computer or taking someone else's ample and creating a loop vs actually learning how to play a musical instrument or hiring an actual musician to perform it rather than a computer user programming it.

     

    As far as this song, to me, the target audience is younger audience with an age group between 15 and 25.  Not much depth to the song, it's a little fad based for my taste and the rap detracts from the melody of the song and that's the problem with rapping.  There's typically no melody to it and many of us want to hear a freaking melody.

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    14 minutes ago, DRB100 said:

    As far as this song, to me, the target audience is younger audience with an age group between 15 and 25.  Not much depth to the song, it's a little fad based for my taste and the rap detracts from the melody of the song and that's the problem with rapping.  There's typically no melody to it and many of us want to hear a freaking melody.

     

    You may not prefer Schoenberg nor Bartok either... that's okay ;) 

     

    14 minutes ago, DRB100 said:

    Take 10 drummers and put them all on the exact same drum set, give them a written score and each of them will play it differently based on each drummers' FEEL, EXPRESSION, INTERPRETATION of the written score.  How do you program the FEEL and EXPRESSION and INTERPRETATION of a drummer?    

    If one knows the playing style of a particular drummer, they can tell who the drummer is by listening to the performance.

     

    Replace "drummer" with "rapper" and realize that nor is the rap computer programmed :cool: 

     

    In any case there is "post modern classical" music or so-called "new music" which itself stretches the boundaries of traditional classical music more than rap, although since this is often composed by conservatory professors, it more regarded by classical music enthusiasts.

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    1 hour ago, jabbr said:

     

    You may not prefer Schoenberg nor Bartok either... that's okay ;) 

     

     

    Replace "drummer" with "rapper" and realize that nor is the rap computer programmed :cool: 

    I'm sorry, but you aren't making much sense here.

     

    First off Schoenberg and Bartok are composers that know how to play and since they actually studied music at a VERY deep level, they were creating music that at the time period was innovative and they had a lot of intelligence behind what they did.  Whether or not you like it is an acquired taste, I guess.  But they were highly trained musicians/composers.  Their music is more related to "ART" as it's definitely not created to be come commercial pop hit played on the radio by young adults between the ages of 15 and 25 that have very little musical training.  I'm just using the age group as the more likely demographic for listening to this song.  Example, I doubt you'll find too many classically trained musicians lining up to buy it, whereas, as musician that's studying classical music is more likely going to enjoy Shoenberg/Bartok as it's for a much more mature audience.

     

    Replacing a drummer with a rapper?  NO. Two different things. They replace singers with rappers because the rapper doesn't want to sing, but they want to act like they are, but only talking/shouting in rhythm because they can't sing or they don't want to learn how to sing, because that requires them studying music theory and that's probably too difficult for them since they want to do as little as possible when it comes to "learning" and "studying" as that requires going to school or hiring a professional teacher and doing things the hard way.  They typically rebel against anything that has to do with "learning" and "studying".    If they did want to learn and study, then they would have studied music in school and become legitimate musicians.

     

    Drums are an accompanying instrument that accompany melodic instruments and/or vocalists.  Rappers are trying to replace singers since they can't sing, or in the case rapping on a vocal oriented song.  At least the song has actual singing on it.  But when I hear songs that have both singing and rapping, I don't know what else to say other than the rap portion tends to degrade the intelligence behind the song and in many cases, it degrades the listening experience.  If you took out M&M rap portion, it would be a much better song, IMO and then it's just a matter of them using actual musicians rather than programmed, sampled nonsense.  

     

    Drummers and rappers are generally not considered interchangeable since Drums are considered an accompanying musical instrument. 

     

    But with production based music like this, they'll replace a drummer with a programmed drum track, because they can either use loops that are in circulation, or just have someone step write a basic drum beat on a computer in a matter of a few minutes because they aren't concerned about having a musician play it, because they just want a generic beat, OR they'll take a pre-existing recording, create a loop because it's much easier and cheaper to do that.  It's typically much cheaper to create programmed beats because anyone can do that and they don't have to pay for a recording studio, engineers, and it takes a long time to place the microphones, etc. etc. to get a good take, where as someone can create a drum loop on a laptop while they are sitting on the toilet taking a $hit.  /s

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    2 hours ago, jabbr said:

    The above link is dead^

    This example isn't sampled. The "call" is melodic, and the "response" is rap/percussion:

     

    By what definition of "music" isn't this music?

    Percussion implies there are percussion instruments being played.  Rap is NOT an percussion instrument, it's rhythmic talking/shouting.    Percussion implies that you are striking something to produce a sound whether you are using your hands, a stick, mallet, etc.   So rappers ARE NOT percussionists.

     

    Let me ask you a question.  Have you ever studied music to understand musical terminology or are you just making $hit up as you go?  You might want to study music, learn the terminology.   

     

     

    It's a vocal style that's talking/shouting using rhythm, but generally no melody or harmony is being used.  Don't confuse percussion instruments with a rapper.  Now, there are vocalists that will do what is called Scatting where they try to mimic an instrument.  Singers like Al Jarreau would do that during portions of the songs they sung as their way of creating some interplay with the musicians.    It goes back to Classical Indian Music where they developed Konnakol, which is to "sing" the rhythms of the tabla.  When playing a tabla, there are different strokes with one's hand/fingers that produce a different sound and they created Konnakol to essentially vocalize the tabla part.  They would teach young kids starting around when they are 5 years old Konnakol first and then once they showed a certain level of proficiency, then the student would then study tabla or other percussion instruments if they wanted. Others might go on to learn another instrument either percussion or a melodic instrument, but they typically could sing Konnakol as that's how they learned what rhymic pattern they were going to use.  Think of it as their method of Beat Boxing, but the difference is they would actually incorporate melody.  Believe it or not, tablas are a tuned instrument to a specific pitch and the Bayan's pitch can be changed by applying pressure from one's palm on the head to raise and lower the pitch. VERY difficult instruments to master, and so is Konokol.  But they aren't talking, per se. they are vocalizing or singing the rhythm and they can incorporate melody as well.

     

    But Rapping isn't a form of vocalizing the drum part.  Beat Boxing is, but rapping isn't. 

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    5 minutes ago, DRB100 said:

    Percussion implies there are percussion instruments being played.  Rap is NOT an percussion instrument, it's rhythmic talking/shouting.    Percussion implies that you are striking something to produce a sound whether you are using your hands, a stick, mallet, etc.   So rappers ARE NOT percussionists.

     

    Let me ask you a question.  Have you ever studied music to understand musical terminology or are you just making $hit up as you go?  You might want to study music, learn the terminology.   

     

     

    It's a vocal style that's talking/shouting using rhythm, but generally no melody or harmony is being used.  Don't confuse percussion instruments with a rapper.  Now, there are vocalists that will do what is called Scatting where they try to mimic an instrument.  Singers like Al Jarreau would do that during portions of the songs they sung as their way of creating some interplay with the musicians.    It goes back to Classical Indian Music where they developed Konnakol, which is to "sing" the rhythms of the tabla.  When playing a tabla, there are different strokes with one's hand/fingers that produce a different sound and they created Konnakol to essentially vocalize the tabla part.  They would teach young kids starting around when they are 5 years old Konnakol first and then once they showed a certain level of proficiency, then the student would then study tabla or other percussion instruments if they wanted. Others might go on to learn another instrument either percussion or a melodic instrument, but they typically could sing Konnakol as that's how they learned what rhymic pattern they were going to use.  Think of it as their method of Beat Boxing, but the difference is they would actually incorporate melody.  Believe it or not, tablas are a tuned instrument to a specific pitch and the Bayan's pitch can be changed by applying pressure from one's palm on the head to raise and lower the pitch. VERY difficult instruments to master, and so is Konnakol.  But they aren't talking, per se. they are vocalizing or singing the rhythm and they can incorporate melody as well.

     

    But Rapping isn't a form of vocalizing the drum part.  Beat Boxing is, but rapping isn't. 

     

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    On 6/30/2017 at 8:48 AM, DRB100 said:

    Actually, Gospel didn't have any blues influences originally as it was choir with an organ and a Tamborine, then Blues came along and it started other forms of music.  it created Jazz, it influenced country, R&B (rhythm and Blues), rock, Gospel (as they started to use rhythm sections).  Pop was originally jazz.  The big pop names back in the early days of recordings was some blues, but a lot of jazz singers were the pop artists. Now they just get kids that stylize themselves after their favorite singers and these kids growing up today couldn't sing a blues standard to save their life.  I saw the BBKing memorial and they had guys like Pharrell and he couldn't sing a BB King classic.  It's a shame that the current generation of kids have no clue as to the roots of "pop" music as it goes back to Blues.

     

    All of the best guitarists know blues and have mastered it.   Eric Clapton, Carlos Santana, John McLaughlin, Hendrix, Jeff Beck, Jimmy Page, etc. all have mastered the blues and really understand it.  The latest gen guitar players barely know how to play Blues.  That's why a lot of metal has no "swing" to the rhythm and the guitar players are more technical and just abuse the whammy bar and they overuse distortion to the point where one can't tell what notes or chords they are playing.   Drummers tend to be more technical, mechanical and less musical than the drummers that were big in the 60's and 70's.  It's a shame how much the current generation simply lacks.


    Songwriting these days has taken a downturn.  No one seems to write great melodies anymore. Everything now is so generic, computerized, overly produced, loops oriented. 

     

    I almost fell off my chair when I ran into some kid that was way into RAP, and I started a discussion and I asked him what R&B stood for.  He said it stands for RAP AND BEATS.   At that point, I gave up all hope for this person.  Every time I run into someone that listens to Rap, I ask them to sing or hum the melody line.  At that point, their eyes glaze over and they are dumbfounded.  They don't know what the term "melody" even means.

    It's been a while but I just saw this...you're backwards on your origin of Gospel....The father of Gospel music Thomas Dorsey was a blues and honkey-tonk musician -Precious Lord was originally rejected by the church for sounding "worldly". Now what some consider Gospel music is not gospel at all...it's a different classification called spirituals, freedom songs, and old Working songs (from slavery days). 

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