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  1. Fitzcaraldo, agree. The lack of success was due to Sony and other music companies who pushed DRM and lack of SACD computer interworking and fought the SACD-vs-DVD-Audio war. They made it a niche play due to their business interests. Terrible for us consumers. Then they did everything possible to have us keep the DSD files locked in the optical discs until the decoding algorithm was backwards engineered, plus this and a few other rip methods unlocked them. Now, I don't have to look for my discs, can play when wanted, and can jump among all of the music. Ironically, having the music in the music play software (Foobar2000) means I now look for SACDs to buy (not SONY music though). Wrxfied, I think the music industry has learned little. Basically, they realized they could not stop technology and those like Apple from eating their lunch so they reluctantly kicking and screaming had to jump into downloads and now streaming. But, for the most part, they are still pushing mp3s and other low quality files onto most unsuspecting consumers. Then the music companies try to resell the same music to consumers in other formats and new streaming services, plus remasterings with lower dynamic range (so you can listen at constant high volume on an ipod and an iphone), etc. Yep, mobile phones have helped broaden the distribution but severely hurt the quality of music. As a result, you see lower and lower prices for most main-stream music. No wonder the music industry has shrunk. Not to mention that there are many other forms of accessible entertainment. Anyway, this is what I appreciate about this effort: high quality music gets freed from investments already made (and many of my discs were bought when the prices were the same as normal CDs).
  2. Finally, finished! ~160 SACDs with albums mostly to individual DSFs, a small number to ISOs so I can play lossless and retain both two and multi-channel versions. Used the PIONBDP80FD player. Like clockwork, but, still took a while. After I was done with the extraction, this past weekend I spent my free time moving files around my various hard disks including setting up a new music primary and backup music hard drive, plus, an external hard drive attached to my living room laptop and playable on my family room receiver (via WIFI and DLNA - yes, I know the bandwidth needs for multi-channel can be challenging but DSD over PCM seems to work fine). Then updated Foobar2000, including the latest version of the SACD decoder. Set up the SACD playlists, plus added the SACDs onto different artist and genre playlists, plus took out the hybrid Redbook (44k/16) versions. Finally, added cover art and extracted dynamic range data which was then added to the tags. Lots of tedious tasks, but, pleased that I can now play this music without having to search for and pop in individual SACDs onto the player, plus it's much easier to switch albums and tracks (even if I do have a five disc tray SCAD player - state of the art automation back then, of course). So, done is done. Even find myself looking for other SACDs to buy. It's funny, many years ago I decided I would no longer buy an updated player: CD or DVD, and certainly not Blue Ray (I wish Audio and HT magazines would stop pushing them on us). Just figured they became obsolete as extracting the files that I already had as CDs plus purchasing new music as lossless or HD, and watching streaming movies via Netflix/Amazon, were the way to go. Still all true, but, could not resist getting the Pioneer for this worthwhile task.
  3. Mook. Awesome. Now I can relax. I am through almost all of my rips. Won;t be done this weekend, but, almost there.
  4. Try DSF rip, these are much shorter, ISOs do take much longer.
  5. Only thing I can think of is that the wifi is limiting the throughput of the rip writing so the whole process slows down. I think my rips take on average 10-15 min. Get some extra cat 5s and run both player and pc to the router. Then check your speed.
  6. I think he did say his tray finally opened and he was ripping. The long time must be due to wifi. Have to move to full wired local network between the player and the PC that's doing the ripping.
  7. I see you got this going but a couple of points: - allocation at 4096 should be default but don't think it will matter - those are the correct script files and because it creates the BUDA folder the Pineer is seeing and acting on the thumb drive and script - I assume your Pioneer now opens up right? And for follow-up questions, if your Ethernet and wifi are properly configured, both should work but Ethernet should be much faster. Now that you have it going, shut down wifi and make sure you have proper Ethernet connection within your lan, with DLNA items appearing in windows networking, and double check you have internet connectivity. Should work (LOL). Did you use the iso2dsd_gui program? Way to go if you need to do lots.
  8. A couple of points: 1) did you follow the specific 'Pioneer Elite BDP-80FD Setup for SACD Ripping' prepping instructions for the BDP160? This needs to be step by step. I tried a few times and realized afterward I was skipping a step or two that I thought weren't needed, but they were. See below. 2) did you download and use the script from the file: 'SACD-extract-BDP160.zip'? I did a check and yes the tray does open up. When I turn on the Pioneer it's display shoes: Pinorre' Hello', No Disc, then 'USB In' and the Tray opens. Here's the specifica Pioneer directions and with thanks to our forum member HiRezGuy who created them and to ted_b for having them on his dropbox. By the way, I am prepping with this scrip (through strep G), then jumping over to iso2dsd_gui to rip one disc after another (no need to open any command prompts - just make sure you put in your player's local IP address and port xx.xxx.xxx.xxx:2002 - ip address can be seen on properties for the player in the networking window) . It really improves the automation (process, options, and production time). *************************************** Pioneer Elite BDP-80FD Setup for SACD Ripping --------------------------------------------- A. Under the Pioneer Elite BDP-80FD setup screen, disable auto-play and auto-resume functionality. B. Under the BDP-80FD setup screen, use WPS to securely connect to WiFi. C. Under the BDP-80FD setup screen, disable dynamic IP addresses. D. Power off the BDP-80FD. E. Disconnect all USB devices from the BDP-80FD. Windows Environment Setup for SACD Ripping ------------------------------------------ F. Format a USB drive with a FAT32 file system. If the drive has a label, it should be no more than 8 characters. G. Use the AutoScript folder from SACD-extract-BDP160.zip; copy the AutoScript folder from the zip archive to the root of the FAT32 formatted USB drive. The AutoScript folder from the zip archive contains three files (Autoscript; Autoscript.TSS; sacd_extract_160 -- two files have no file extensions). No other files or folders should be on the USB drive. H. Create a local folder on root of the Windows PC. Use a very short folder name. NOTE: The short folder name helps to avoid SACD iso file naming issues; iso's are named based on embedded SACD artist and title metadata, which can be very long. I. Use the "sacd_extract.exe" executable from sacd_extract_0.3.8_WIN32.zip; place the executable in the local folder created in step H. NOTE: The "sacd_extract.exe" executable can be placed anywhere in the system PATH, and executed without an absolute PATH. When placed in the system system PATH, the folder created in step H simply becomes a working folder on the root of the drive. J. Under Settings>Network & Internet>Sharing Options, ensure that "Network Discovery" is enabled. K. Open Network (Network Neighborhood) to ensure that the BDP-80FD is visible. SACD Ripping ------------ 1. Place the FAT32 USB drive in the front USB slot of the powered-off BDP-80FD. 2. Power on the BDP-80FD. The front tray should open. 3. Insert an SACD. The BDP-80FD display should show that a SACD has been inserted. 4. Open a command prompt on the Windows PC. 5. Change directory to the local folder created in step H. 6. Open Windows Network and right-click the BDP-80FD icon. Note the IP address of the player. 7. Execute the following command, using the IP address from step 6 without leading zeros. .\sacd_extract -i {BDP_IP_ADDRESS}:2002 -P -I e.g.: .\sacd_extract -i 192.342.1.217:2002 -P -I NOTE: Do not use the absolute path to the command if the "sacd_extract.exe" has been installed under the system path. 8. An SACD iso image with a name based on the SACD artist and title metadata will be created in the local folder created in step H. NOTE: Some SACDs do not have any artist/title metadata included, mostly due to a production oversight (e.g., Dacapo Kronos Holmgreen). In this case, "sacd_extract.exe" uses "Unknown Artist". Any string after the -I can be used to set the output SACD iso image name, but the string should be surrounded by double-quotes if the string contains spaces. 9. Use a batch script and "sacd_extract.exe" to convert the created SACD iso image to Sony DSF files. "sacd_extract.exe" will leave DSF files in folders named based on the SACD artist/title metadata. "sacd_extract.exe" uses the same folder for stereo and multi-channel output, and does not use the SACD metadata for "Sequence Number" or "Set Size" when processing multi-disc sets. NOTE: The approach I use is to rip a batch of SACDs to iso, then run "sacd_extract.exe" from a batch script to convert everything to 2ch dsf files. I then use the same script to go back and query all iso's to see which have mch audio, and then those with mch audio get processed again to create mch dsf files. Since dsf files are created in the same folder based on the SACD metadata, I prefix stereo files and multi-channel files with a descriptive token so that they have unique names. When processing multi-disc sets, I use a disc number prefix token to keep files organized. In general, because "sacd_extract.exe" uses a processing folder based on SACD metadata, I create a temporary folder where "sacd_extract.exe" does its work, and then I can process the created folder for each SACD without actually knowing the folder name beforehand. ================================================================================ ================================================================================ The Autoscript folder contains three files (two files have no file extensions). Use the files specific to Pioneer BDPs, which are contained in archive SACD-extract-BDP160.zip. Autoscript Autoscript.TSS sacd_extract_160 Use the most current version of sacd_extract.exe. (Note: In 03/2017, the current version was 0.3.8_WIN32.) ================================================================================ ================================================================================ Usage: sacd_extract [options] [outfile] (v0.3.8_win32) -2, --2ch-tracks : Export two channel tracks (default) -m, --mch-tracks : Export multi-channel tracks -e, --output-dsdiff-em : output as Philips DSDIFF (Edit Master) file -p, --output-dsdiff : output as Philips DSDIFF file -s, --output-dsf : output as Sony DSF file -t, --select-track : only output selected track(s) (ex. -t 1,5,13) -I, --output-iso : output as RAW ISO -c, --convert-dst : convert DST to DSD -C, --export-cue : Export a CUE Sheet -i, --input[=FILE] : set source and determine if "iso" image, device or server (ex. -i 192.168.1.10:2002) -P, --print : display disc and track information Help options: -?, --help : Show this help message --usage : Display brief usage message A couple of points: 1) did you follow the specific instructions for the BDP160? They are below. This needs to be step by step. I tried a few times and realized afterward I was skipping a step or two that I thought weren't needed, but they were. PS...I am copying because the files is in dropbox of one of our forum members and these things can change over time, 2) did you download and use the script from the file: 'SACD-extract-BDP160.zip'? I did a check and yes the tray does open up. When I turn on the Pioneer it's display shoes: Pinorre' Hello', No Disc, then 'USB In' and the Tray opens. Here's the spcifica Pioneer directions and with thanks to our forum membert who created thes
  9. All, I eagerly read about this and took the plunge on the Pioneer from Accessories4Less (great price and prompt free 2 day delivery). Spent quite a while last night trying to get this to work. The menus were a little different on the Pioneer player than some of the step by steps I read, but, close enough that I eventually figured it out. I spent a lot of time trying to diagnose why while I could ping and telnet to the IP and port, I could not get the ripping file or sacd2dsd gui to recognize the address (same lib...IP:port address error) . Even though the IP addresses are dynamically assigned by my router, once I eventually followed the detailed instructions and turned off the dynamic IP on the Pioneer player (thought it zeroed out the IP) and ensured the USB drive with requisite files was in the Pioneer, then using the same IP address that still showed up in the network, these steps seemed to do the trick. So, basically, followed the player prep instructions, inserted the USB with the Pioneer 160 files (mine is the 80 US model), then ran the sacd2dsdgui executable. Voila. Literally, I almost cried with happiness when I saw the ripping start (but, have not gotten over Sony selling me the SACD format, then abandoning the format, then holding the music hostage). Also, with all the Metadata included in both ISOs and .dsfs. Now, my SACD collection in the attached jpg is unleashed!!! These will be ripped and played back through Foobar2000. So, as soon as the Windows Fall update completes (1709), I have many busy weekends to get this done. I want to thank all of you for the comments, insights, and especially to those developers and tinkerers who figured this out then made it public to benefit owners of jailed SACDs like me. I want to offer Sony, the one finger salute. I still can't get over it. Thanks, thanks, thanks.
  10. Ford is a Ford. 6 year old Volvo was bought when it was American owned plus performance wise it is a car, with integrated child seats, plus all-wheel drive. As for the DAC, not so life-critical but the Musiland meets all the requirments: it is ~ half the price at $80, it exhibits low jitter due to its asynch USB implementation, it exceeds the performance requested at 32/192, has a pleasant sounding OpAmp, flexible intuitive control panel, very stable drivers (blow away my US Made M-Audio), and good whether in speaker or headphone mode. That's all. Not a war on America in any way. This is free market and we in US prefer American products, but to a point. Just like I like my Sony TV, not RCA nor Zenith, which are not American anymore anyway. By the way, most of the chips and even the circuit boards in the American DACS are not made in America. The parts and chips are sold freely, many on ebay.
  11. I think we ought to take bets on what he will ultimately buy. All the pitches sound pretty good (and I have a Ford and a Volvo so do appreciate buying American). I did my purchase based on value/cost ratio and a lot is hapenning in China aside from the usual DAC components - the software execution is excellent. Best of luck
  12. Here's info on the 03 US (with google trasnalte link): http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.musiland.com.cn%2Findex.php%2FIndex%2Fshow%2Fid%2F134
  13. Try the Musiland Monitor 01 US. It can do 32/192 and it is asynch interace with excellent drivers and control panel. You can find it on ebay for ~ $80. Buy it direct from Hong Kong to ensure you have the latest model. If you want a higher rate, try the Monitor 03 US which is right around $160 and can do up to 32/388. Here is some info on the Monitor 03 US: http://www.musiland.com.cn/index.php/Index/show/id/134 . Once you get it, discard the disk and get the latest drivers from here: http://www.musiland.com.cn/downloads/drivers/ it is the latest file of MlCyMon_2.1.0.0_build20111026.exe. The very good (but generally in chinese) forum is here: http://bbs.musiland.com.cn/forumdisplay.php?fid=17 . Use Google Chrome for translations on the fly. Here's some info on the driver and the control panel: http://hifiduino.wordpress.com/musiland-usb/. This DAC is a very very good DAC from a Hong Kong Manufacturer. You can see some of the standard good quality parts used butit also includes very good recent software and an enthusiatic support group. For $80 is there really much to lose? PS...I bought the US 01 as a stand-by and have decided I do not need anything better (and run this over a nice sound system and PC Server using Foobar2000).
  14. Try the Musiland Monitor 01 US or 02 US DACs. They are very inexpensive (from Honk Kong and buy on ebay from there) and better your specs: 32/192 for both USB (asynch) and SPDIF. Also, there is an 03 that gets you 32/352. 24 bit, obviously, is no problem. Their V2.1 drivers need to be downloaded from their web site: http://www.musiland.com.cn/downloads/drivers/ (need the latest MyCyMon... drivers). I bought this as a stop gap and think it is great. Now I won;t be spending the money for a more expensive DAC.
  15. SACD has ben abandoned except for boutique over-priced offerings. As for players, they are being purchased because of overall CD player capabilities. However, I will not ever buy a SACD, DVD, or CD player. For us with numerous SACDs we will wear out our old players. I have moved on, mainly by analog ripping the SACDs to 24/96 HD files. I am now in server-land with external asynch DAC. This is where the industry is going and this is where I have been investing over the last 3 years. My one caveat, I will be making one final purchase, the Pink Floys WYWH SACD. I will accept my $35 punishment begrugindly but that is it for me. It will be on my server playing from Foobar2000 within the day.
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