Yamadron

Well, I double posted for a reason. Not to edit again. Ok. I didn't give up. But I become to feel uncomfortable. You are trying to help me so badly and thing don't wanna get fixed. I actually bothered you more than enough. So we can stop now. Probably if I fixed it some day. I may send you an e-mail on Audiophile here. In the meantime, I apologize for all the time I've wasted for you. Probably that was gonna be better to benefit out of it instead of wasting it with a guy like me. All thanks again. I don't know how to express that actually. I hope to see you again, but not for a problem; FOR an advice from someone experienced like you :-) Regards, David

Well, for a mysterious -GO TO "HELL" VISTA- I set the Sample in GR3 to 44.1 kHz. and it is now working. Although I experimented it before and I said there was 500ms latency. I am playing now for about 10 minutes using it, and nothing happened. Also not noticeable latency. About the Fast playing and the earlier appearance of the glitch. i observed that at first, but as I noticed it appears when idle. That could not be a factor. So I removed it. Well another conclusion. I am sure of it this time. There is range of samples in GR3 settings from 11.025 kHz up to 192 kHz. The range that GR3 was giving sound at was from 11.025 till 96 kHz. As I go lower in samples, latency options was increasing. In 96 kHz the minimum input was 7 ms. With 11.025. On the other side, as I go lower with samples, the sound become more realistic and much better. The best of them as I said above 44.1 in case of latency but not sound. 11.025 kHz was actually better in mean of sound - actually very close like what was ASIO4ALL is - but latency is just killing me. Exactly 1 second. I pluck the string. Say "1", sound comes out. the Line in settings was "16 bit/192 kHz" For now it is working on 44.1 kHz samples, but I don't know how much that will last. I hope there is really light at the end of the tunnel. Even if tiny like a particle of a sand. Thanks again. PS : Along all these trials. GR3 was the only application producing sound out. There was no other applications operating along with it. EDIT: Exactly, like what I thought. The glitch actually appeared, but after a long time. I was playing the song. For the first 6 minutes, every thing was fine. Then a glitch appeared for just 1~2 seconds and came back again after 3 mins. That is on 44100 samples. On 96000, it appears quickly now. Actually every time, the glitch appears randomly. But on lower samples, the duration between each glitch increase for some reason I don't know it. EDIT2: I left the guitar connected without playing. There was no output indicator nor input. Then it happened, I found the output indicator gave sound while the input didn't. I said may be the cable has a problem. But that doesn't happen with ASIO. It keeps muted whole the time,

Hello again, Sir Honestly, It is not persistent at all. Sometimes, it becomes like that after 2 mins. Some others 5 mins and back to 3 mins. Sometimes when the guitar is idle. It is fluctuating. I kept playing more and more. Every trail, I increased the output/input latency. But that didn't affect anything. Nothing was interrupting the signal at all. It just appears and disappears with no remarks actually. It is no longer the same timing. I can record for you both clear and distorted sounds hey, we all try just to avoid that ! haha That made my laugh. I try to, but at the same time, I have to too. Yes, Sir. I am able to go beyond the limits if I/you wanted. But as far as there will be no hardware damage. If it is all about software. I am 100% ready for the next round. Thank you again Uhh, I hope I am not annoying you by my problem. Really ... Regards, David

Actually, you don't deserve what I have said. You deserve MUCH MUCH MORE than that... But is it hard to express that on the internet Well mmm, I have to say "Easy Come. Easy Go". After about 10 minutes of playing, the sound becomes glitchy and distorted. I wait a couple of seconds and it comes back to normal after 5 minutes, that sound returns back. Seems that potential trade off as you said comes back to knock my door. I found a temporary solution using "Reaper" to run both songs and the guitar together until I am able to afford an ASIO device. 24 bit/192 KHz is supported on my HD Audio Card. But Somehow 24 bit/96 KHz sounds louder and I liked it more. There is "Waves MaxxAudio" and "Waves MaxxEQ". They only support samples from 32KHz to 96 KHz only. Here is picture of it: MaxxAudio : http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/7383/maxxaudio.png MaxxEQ : http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/5049/maxxeq.png/ It allows me to control the bass, so I like 96 KHz better than 192 KHz, But, Thanks for the suggestion About guitars, I use digital devices - like the laptop - for draft recordings and practicing. It is easier that way. But all my actual recordings are done using an amplifier and a condenser microphone at a nearby studio. Good for your son to be a drummer and a keyboardist at the same time . My sister is a keyboardist for 6 years now and I am a guitarist for 4 years. I am forming a band now.Though it is a hobby. I am not taking it seriously as a career. In my point of view, You are neither crazy nor they guys are. It is your career - as I think -. You are spending such stuff for your career to be better and improve it day by day. But It is a hobby for me, so spending lot of money for just a hobby - and I am still not financially independent -. That what I call "CRAZY". I am in 1st year university; studying Computer Engineering. Good luck with your career. Cheer up your son. He could be a great drummer in the future if he practiced hard Thank you, Sir for your support.

Well. I played with the configuration, I set the Speakers (DS) to 24 bit, 96 KHz and the Line In (DS) to 16 bit, 96 KHz. Well, Before, GR3 was set to 15ms Output latency and 7ms input latency as I told you, but It was Set to a sample of 44 KHz. I set it to 96 KHz and "HEY". It it really working but with just bearable glitches that starts to appear after 5 minutes of operating. That is better than nothing, I guess About a Pro Laptop for musician. I had no idea that all this hassle will happen. It was working on the old laptop like a charm, So i expected that it will work on the new laptop normally. About the Pro environment, they don't use Windows in first place, They use Mac OSX with Garageband About ASIO, after I spent my money on the laptop. I can't afford expensive ASIO devices. You can say an M-Audio JamLab is my best for now. But now, DS is working, So I can live with it till I collect money for M-Audio Fast Track Pro. LOL.. I can't get an Acoustic guitar for a reason. I am play electric guitar for 4 years. So it is impossible to leave it alone for just an obstacle . Do you play guitar or intend to ? Well. I wanna ask something off topic a lil. In 6 months I will build a new desktop. It is designed for music actually plus all normal things, Gaming and such stuff. I was intending to get a "PCI Express Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium ". It is officially supporting ASIO Drivers. What do you think ? Well, some last words. Thank you, Peter. I really owe you this favor. You are the only one - actually - who helped me since 2 months in this problem. God Bless YOU !!!

Hello Peter. Thanks for the clarification about the Vista Protection. *WMP + Foobar + J River MediaCenter (3 of them using DS Speakers Output) : Success. I could here all of them. 3 songs are mixed together. *GR3 ( DS Line In Input/DS Speakers Output) + WMP/Foobar (DS Speakers Output) : Success. I could listen to both the guitar and the player. But there is latency. It is about half a second. As it is stated by GR3. It let me to adjust the latency. Output Latency was 15ms and Input Latency was 7ms. 7ms is the least latency could be set. I tried to adjust the output latency to be less, but the sound became distorted so badly and unclear at all. I unchecked the mark on "Allow applications to take exclusive control over this device" in the advanced tab, but no anvil. Nothing changed. Only, When I try to disable the ASIALL output, It doesn't respond. Thanks

Well, I would like to ask, Why it was working on my old laptop ? Is Vista is the problem ? Is it limiting mixing both ? My old one has no ASIO Support. I was using ASIO4ALL too, but with windows XP SP2. I tried running foobar with ASIOALL and GR3 with ASIO4ALL too. No luck. As you said, I don't have an ASIO device. There is no problems regarding input. It is all about mixing both outputs. I don't care if the output quality of the player is decreased a bit. No problem with that at all. Tried to have both Bit depth and Sample Rate of Output and Input the same. No luck in here either. ** Both Speakers output and Line In input were 16 bit, 192 KHz ** All thanks from my heart. I appreciate your help

Thanks Peter for your reply. My apologizes for the unclear explanation. I will answer the questions you have mentioned above. When I open Guitar Rig 3, It uses ASIO4ALL So I get low latency output. Most of the time, I open Guitar Pro - it uses speakers as default output - for music tabs to practice with. Also, I play some songs with WinAmp to play with using my guitar. As far as ASIO4ALL is operating for Guitar Rig 3 and using the HD Audio Speakers to output sound, I can't play an audio on the laptop. Even Windows Sounds don't play. It is like Speakers are no longer available and the device is disconnected for the other applications. "What is it you actually want to do ?" What I want to do exactly, is to be able to play my guitar along with other music playing on an Audio application such as WinAmp or Foobar2000 for example as well as Guitar Pro. That what was happening on my old XP laptop. You say "nothing worked". But, any messages ? Probably, I won't be able to answer you with this. Pictures will explain themselves. The following pictures are taken at the same moment. *Here is a gallery of the pictures, because the pictures are large a bit* (Please, see them in order) http://img268.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=55319744.png For the last explanation, Everything is working fine. But when ASIO4ALL starts to work to output sound from GR3, Guitar Rig 3 functions and audio comes out for my guitar playing. No other audio can be listened or played. I have to disable the ASIO4ALL output device - which is the speaker in this case - to play any other sound. I am sorry, Peter. I appreciate that you are trying to understand and help me with my problem Thanks

Hello Audiophile members. I am new here. I hope that you can bear with me. I am not experienced with audio and I wish I could find support here OK. First of all, I am a guitar player. I transport a lot. I had an old laptop "Toshiba Satellite A110" with Windows XP SP3. I connect my guitar to the computer using a 1/4" mono to 1/8" stereo cable. I run Guitar Rig 3 as my effects processor using ASIO4ALL driver to get low latency.. I was able to run Windows Media player and other audio applications along with GR3 Now, I sold my old laptop to get a new laptop, a "Toshiba Qosmio X300". It has Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 already installed on it. Running Audio application while GR3 is running and ASIO4ALL is operating became impossible now. I can only run one of them. I tried many things like, Foobar with WASAPI Plugin, KS Plugin as well as WinAmp with the same plugins. Nothing worked.. By the way, My audio driver is "Realtek HD Audio R2.31". Some people told me that, my chipset may not support hardware mixing, so I can't multiple stream. I doubt that. My old laptop Realtek chipset was able, How this can't ? Some other people, told me Vista doesn't have a KMixer. So nothing to bypass it in first place. So, Any help about that ? I am very confused now, I don't know if that is a hardware limitation or a software limitation NOTE: After ASIO4ALL operates, no audio at all. Neither any music from applications nor Windows Sounds. It is like the speakers have been disabled completely Thanks you guys, my hopes are in your hands now.