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Aha, so now it's suddenly called "art". Well I don't want art, but properly mastered music.

I agree very much about the public noise. I hammer my friends all the time about this. I try to do a little on Facebook, like posting the link to the DR database again and again. And this year I think I have published at least 50 Norwegian CD's to the DR database, and I will in the future also try to add a small description about how it sounds. More work to - with a big grin.

True, the Wilson remixes are excellent. And they are the only hires releases I have purchased lately, as I no longer believe in the hires hoax. No Browne for me, happy with my CD's.

Yes, lossless with no compression, then alternatives for those having to use their music differently. Room to roam for everyone. This can easily be done today, without much effort.

To me, a great improvement that is fully possible today, would be this: Each download contains the original master with lots of headroom for the music, as well as two lower DR versions for those only using iPods and playing music in the car. Everyone would be happy, and our musical heritage would be intact.

Thanks for the tip. Got mine DVD-A from Amazon today; great DR12 rip on my server now.

Thanks for the pics, I can see the live album is pretty brickwalled (look at the "borders" around the green in the upper right of the scope pic). In my database on PC, I have marked "Spor", DR13, as "reference". In other words the CD. My other two CD's are DR12. "Og så kom Resten av Livet" 24bit ain't bad...but a little loud. Heres a MusicScope pic from "Ly" - CD. No good TPL...

I got "Og så kom resten av livet" in hires. But regarding "Ly", I'll stick to my CD. It's brickwalled...even KKV seems to be failing these days.

Yes, this is true. And the same is the truth for a few of my old Talking Heads albums. But I am not going to smash anyone about this. Because, how can I expect perfect 96/24 from records made late 70's? I just accept this, time and gear they had at that time taken into consideration (and being a 1963 model myself). But of course, this should be explained about each album, at the resellers site. This I have told to both my main sources of HiRes already. And then some more :-)

PS: I now have around 16 Lou Reed albums, and listening to "Ecstasy" from 2000, HDTracks, DR11. I play it at 46.3 dB volume right now, and it sounds like a LP. Pleasant and detailed. Paranoya Key of E...good one:

I agree with the all three last posts here, especially Foggie. When I was younger, I put a new LP on the first spin, then judged it to be crap, and I did not touch it for years. A couple of decades later, I learnt to put the new album on "repeat", wether I liked it or not. It turned out my first impressions were no good at all. Time will tell if you give it erm,...time.

You are correct about manual write-ups. Being a technician for a few decades, I know a lot about manuals written by engineers. I hate those. But I cannot blame the engineer for it, but the Q&A system. Manuals should be read by a few "mundanes" before going to print. I agree on the DR thing. Many people take the DR value for an absolute, but it is not. MusicScope shows its strenght in that regard. The TPL for "Murmur", "Document" is just terrible. And I don't even want to get started on "Accelerate" (CD). A DR5 heap of crap. Fortunately, it cost me only NOK 99, but it is still NOK 99 thrown out the window, and I am the looser. But there is a positive side too: Yesterday, I rejected three Genesis CD's on order. First I checked many forum threads, and the DR database just confirmed it. Oh, and thx for the tips regarding DR on different types of music. I suspected this, from extensive use of the DR meter and MusicScope.

Krzysztof, Thanks for this thread. I saw you at Hoffman, but didn't want to make myself yet another login. I purchased MusicScope after seeing HiResAudio using it, and your posts. I was surprised you did not get much answers, and I think the MusicScope manual should do a more "practical" job explaining the values to us "mundanes", but not so much so far. But over time I have learnt a little just from own stubbornness, and finally I can share it here. Some of downloadable R.E.M remasters are junk. Brickwalled, and hard to listen to over time. So how to prove it? OK there is the DR meter, but I have discovered a DR value of 8 for example, should not be taken as a borderline for decisions on all albums. I have quite a lot of DR8 albums that are not clipped; still headroom for the music, when checking with Acoustica. Let's take R.E.M. "Murmur" from HDTracks or HiResAudio. Without measuring anything, my ears think it is crappy. I cannot listen to it for a long time. I especially note this on late evenings, playing with a low volume, because I live in a flat. The HD version I have to turn down a lot, and still, the bass and tops are annoying. Now, if I use my CD rip instead, I can turn the volume up quite a bit, and suddenly hear a lot more details, without them being killed by compression. So this is my practical experience. So what do the numbers say? Murmur, track 1, HiRes version, DR8: Subjective opinion: I can easily see it is brickwalled. Look at the lines around the green in the upper right field. Then look at at the circular display. Music is at the red line a lot, and flat. Another sign of brickwalling. Murmur, track 1, from the "good" CD (CD 70014 A&M), DR14: Subjective opinion: The lines around the green in the upper right of the display is gone. In the circular display, you can easily see the music has a lot of room to breathe in. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong. I'm just a newbie at this :-)

Try The Helio Sequence/The Helio Sequence, a great band from Portland, Orgeon. A tad Joy Division, a tad James (UK), all with the spirit of Cocteau Twins. Have a hard time stopping playing that album. There is also Daughn Gibson from Pennsylvania. I just cannot place him into any category, but how about a mix of Twin Peaks, electronic, country, with storytelling like magic and state of the art smartly use of the bass to go. Me, I'm sold.

You got me there. Being a Dire Straits fan since I heard "Sultans of Swing" on a cheap transistor radio a loong way back, listening to Radio Luxembourg, I was sold. Then Knopfler walked his own way, and I thought, arrghh, now he is becoming like Phil Collins after Genesis. But behold, yesterday I purchased "Tracker". I have a hard time putting that album into the "folk" category, but I like it. Laidback quality, as with David Gilmour.