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Chris, when and where are you moderating? I’d like to attend. ray

While I might be WAAY off here, there is some information that might bring the conversation into perspective I guess a little background is required to reference Mr. Atkinson's remarks about Bob Carver. For those unaware of the body of work Carver caused a stir in the industry in the mid-1980s when he challenged two high-end audio magazines to give him any audio amplifier at any price, and he’d duplicate its sound in one of his lower cost (and usually much more powerful) designs. Two magazines accepted the challenge. We'll concern ourselves with Stereophile The objective was to make the two amplifiers sound absolutely identical, or at least similar enough in sound that none of us could tell one from the other with better than 50% (pure chance) consistency. Read more at https://www.stereophile.com/content/carver-challenge#BGvbTXCZstGTCj1u.99 The Stereophile employees failed to pass a single blind test with their own equipment in their own listening room. from the Challenge: "After the second day of listening to his final design, we threw in the towel and conceded Bob the bout." Read more at https://www.stereophile.com/content/carver-challenge-page-4#gjfGTsvQog7G6iAU.99 U.S. Patent 3,727,148 Amplifier with Protective Energy Limiter Circuit Components, filed January 1972, issued April 1973 U.S. Patent 3,989,897 Method and Apparatus for Reducing Noise Content in Audio Signals, filed October 1974, issued November 1976 (auto-correlator noise reduction) U.S. Patent 4,218,585 Dimensional Sound Producing Apparatus and Method, filed April 1979, issued August 1980 (sonic holography) U.S. Patent 4,218,660 Audio Amplifier and Method of Operating Same, filed November 1978, issued August 1980 (magnetic field coil power amplifier) U.S. Patent 4,309,570 Dimensional Sound Recording and Apparatus and Method for Producing the Same, filed April 1979, issued January 1982 U.S. Patent 4,415,768 Tuning Apparatus and Method, filed May 1981, issued November 1983 U.S. Patent 4,4,450,95 Audio Amplifier, filed February 1982, issued April 1984 U.S. Patent 4,457,012 FM Stereo Apparatus and Method, filed June 1982, issued June 1984 (asymmetrical charge coupled stereo detector) U.S. Patent 4,484,150 High Efficiency, Light Weight Audio Amplifier and Power Supply, filed September 1982, issued November 1984 U.S. Patent 4,586,002 Audio Amplifying Apparatus and Method, filed June 1984, issued April 1986 U.S. Patent 4,808,946 Lightweight, High Power Audio Amplifier and Power Supply, filed December 1986, issued February 1989 U.S. Patent 4,815,141 Apparatus and Methods for Removing Unwanted Components from a Communications Signal, filed December 1986, issued March 1989 U.S. Patent 5,748,753 High Power Audio Subwoofer, filed January 1996, issued May 1998 U.S. Patent 5,937,074 High Back EMF, High Pressure Subwoofer, filed August 1997, issued August 1999 U.S. Patent 6,166,605 Integrated Audio Amplifier, filed September 1998, issued December 2000 Bob Carver may have single-handedly debunked any number of theories about sound quality by using physics, blind and double-blind testing and unbiased measurements at some cost, personally and professionally.... Seriously......who ya gonna believe then there's this...sounds a bit familiar. Admittedly its dated, but there is such a familiar thread running through these 2 conversations that I gotta wonder.....since some of the players are the same From Stereophile: Dynagroove This, of course, is the old story all over again. The serious listener, who listens to music instead of using it as a pleasant background for conversation, is a nobody as far as the record industry is concerned, and does not warrant its consideration. Read more at https://www.stereophile.com/asweseeit/95/index.html#JBW5cqcTZ813B48s.99 ..........where the recorded signal was pre-distorted and dynamically equalized to compensate for the poor performance of cheap phonograph players. "Issue 5...revealed most of RCA Victor's 'revolutionary' new system as nothing more than a sophisticated way of bringing higher fi to record buyers who don't care enough about hi-fi to invest in a decent playback system." Read more at https://www.stereophile.com/asweseeit/95/index.html#JBW5cqcTZ813B48s.99 For the American record manufacturers, we suggest a premium line of stereo disc releases, paralleling the releases they now put out for the mass market, but cut with full dynamic range, full frequency range, and miked so as to produce the best stereo illusion when reproduced through speakers with adequate spacing between them. We, personally, would be happy to pay a buck or so more for recordings that would justify the expenditures we have made on high-fidelity equipment, and if the premium line wouldn't play on the mass-market phonographs, the customers might start asking some of the right questions. Such as, why won't a premium disc play on my Magnificent Console? Read more at https://www.stereophile.com/asweseeit/95/index.html#JBW5cqcTZ813B48s.99 SSDifferentCentury? ray

Bob Stuart has described the goal of MQA as being to reduce to "plumbing" Reduce the plumbing...by adding more plumbing? Sounds like they hired Scottish builders to create MQA I want to get closer to the music, not put another link in the chain ray Attention KMart shoppers we have a blue light special....get some before its gone

TheBobFather has debunked it and Schiit won't support it. Good enough for me. Put a fork in this bitch 'cause it's done ray

Anytime money is involved keep an eye on your pocket book, someone will put their hand in it. ray

No it puts a point on the scam. ray

MQA interested parties circled the wagons to stave off the impending implosion of their investments in a failed format. Chris has (massive) influence on the outcome otherwise they wouldn't have made the attempt to talk him down. Schiit has all but written it off and Bob Carver put it in perspective as deception. Looks like another money grab to me. Buy your music again and again. Sheesh ray

A little late to the party but some info from a guy who has the chops to make an informed opinion https://www.bobcarvercorp.com/resources go to white pages section and find the "truth about MQA" ray