jesseinsf

And you are getting tired.... go to bed and get some more sleep. lol

I did blind tests on 3 PCs and found that the cheap ones benefited. In that post I never said that jplay was psychological. My point was to break that psychological barrier by doing double blind tests.

People like new Things. When someone is not satisfied with sound, they tend to look for something new. Over sound quality tests, I have noticed people favoring the new over the old (even if both products have identical sound quality). If you don't do a double blind test then you will never know if what you bought is worth it. If you know what you are testing while it is being tested then there is a greater chance that your mind will convince you that the new product sounds better (even if the sound quality is identical). Guys, it is all psychological. So before you buy, do a double blind test to break that psychological barrier.

Fair enough :-)

Mark, we can't just rely on what all these articles say. You should test it out for yourself, but be unbiased about it. Everyone said to try jplay before posting negative comments. I think everyone should try turning on Spread Spectrum for CPU and PCIe before posting negative comments. At least if you try it you will have clear knowledge of its advantages and disadvantages. My experience is that I believe (for my specific system) that it lowered the noise floor. Everyone's system is different so others may have negative results. These settings are not for everyone. I would like to hear people's experiences with this setting on and off.

Something I dug up courtesy of Wikipedia: "Jitter may be caused by electromagnetic interference (EMI) and crosstalk with carriers of other signals. Jitter can cause a display monitor to flicker, affect the performance of processors in personal computers, introduce clicks or other undesired effects in audio signals, and loss of transmitted data between network devices. The amount of tolerable jitter depends on the affected application." This is why I mentioned the CPU and PCIe Spead Spectrum settings in the BIOS. Spread Spectrum on Wiki: Spread-spectrum clock generation (SSCG) is used in some synchronous digital systems, especially those containing microprocessors, to reduce the spectral density of the electromagnetic interference (EMI) that these systems generate. This is why I think it may reduce Jitter if you turn on CPU and PCIe spread spectrum in your BIOS settings.

Anyway, getting back to business. If you have a CPU and PCIe "Spead spectrum" setting then turn it on and see if you hear a difference with jplay. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spread_spectrum

@SoundQcar 100% agreed..... lol

Either you guys are ridiculously making claims that just stupid, or you have the most crappiest computers known to man, or your brains are easily manipulated. I found no difference in sound quality on a modern PC that has plenty of RAM and has internal components that are shielded. The only difference I heard (On a cheap PC) was the lack of Digital noise that usually is present on cheap PCs. If you guys do have cheap PCs then you may want to see if your computer's BIOS settings also has a "Spread Spectrum" setting for the CPU and PCIe options. This also cuts noise. Spread Spectrum Defined: http://zone.ni.com/devzone/cda/tut/p/id/4154

First off, DirectSound is not "Bit Perfect". Second, Since you are using your graphics card's digital audio out then WASAPI is bit perfect in this setup. People who use WASAPI through onboard/PCIe sound card, or non-digital passthrough audio (such as S/PDIF or USB sound) are able to use the system volume to adjust the volume on their PC. This is arguably not Bit Perfect because when you adjust the volume control it is doing something to the Audio stream. JRMC would have to add a WASAPI command switch to completely disable the volume control to be pure Bit Perfect. When you are using S/PDIF or a USB DAC then WASAPI is completely Bit Perfect in JRMC. ASIO will not work for you if you are using video card sound. You can download the ASIO4ALL driver but I don't know if it has multichannel sound. ASIO is 100% Bit Perfect. Jriver added a link above that would be great to look in to. WASAPI Even Style seems to work the same way as I stated above. ASIO4ALL is an ASIO package wrapped around

Actually, I believe J.River has to pay royalty fees for some of the technology used in JRMC. The upgrade price is quite reasonable. It pays for development and any royalty fees for technology that is included in the software. jplay is just a sound plugin that piggy-backs on the windows driver. Again jplay is just a plugin. When I say "Plugin" I am saying that it is just not a plugin for media player, but it is also a system plugin that can work on its own. So my ultimate point is: JRMC most likely has to pay royalty fees and jplay doesn't. And this is why jplay has a lifetime upgrade license and JRMC doesn't.

I'm not here to argue anymore about the sound quality enhancement that jplay claims. But, As what the jplay supporters say, it sounds like jplay is 5-10% better in sound quality. If so, Anyone in their right mind would think that jplay is 3-4 times over priced. You guys say that jriver is damn close right? But J.River costs $50 and you can install it on all your computers in your house, plus the computers that you personally only use at work. That is fair use and a wonderful bargain. Now (correct me is I'm wrong)jplay is $100 for 1 computer. And for that 5-10% performance boost in sound quality for $100, You got to be joking. If you ask me then jplay should just be a maximum value of $30-$50 per computer. The reason: To me there are 2 types of audiophile, The ones who only care about sound quality and not the look and appearance of their gear. The other Focus on Sound quality and appearance of their gear. The ones who relate to the latter spend more to get the quality that they seek, while the former spend a bit less for the same quality the latter seeks. Now as a standalone, jplay should be no more than $30. But for a media player integration jplay should be no more than $50 (or vise-versa). $100 is just to steep for what you get. J.River put years of hard work to get a quality product that is available now. For jplay, it doesn't take as much hard work to develop, so this should also be considered when pricing the product. I know you will never follow what I say, but I'm sure you will consider some of what I said here.

J.River gives a 30 day trial and 10 activation keys a year. Each activation key lasts 14 days. What is so generous about J.River is they say that you have 14 to activate all your computers at home and you computers you use at work(the ones you use and not all computers that everyone uses). This to me is the best software offering that I came across. jplay guys need to think of a similar way for their software.

Look, I said what I had to say and I am sticking to it. End of discussion. And thank you very much.

I think Mark is right here. And it is a brave move of his to voice his thoughts about this complete jplay thread. Josef and his supporters do get quite arrogant when constructive criticism gets thrown in their face.