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    Quote Originally Posted by 4est View Post
    That is what I said, but I cannot stress enough that the quality of the clocking is greatly associated with power supply and ground plane currents, not to mention internal em/rfi. The inner workings of a DAC reek havoc in those items, and it should be noted that the Weiss DAC202 uses a single clock with a PLL, and yet had the lowest jitter they had measured to date at the time of that review. Point being is that Gordon Rankin's argument is theoretical. Actual applications vary greatly, and getting a good signal down a properly tuned and terminated connection offers a lot in relation to the harsh environment within the DAC itself. I am certain companies such as dCS would just put it internally if they thought they could provide better clocking by doing so. Even Antelope offers an outboard oscillator for their high end devices, further improving the performance of their word clocks. General Radio would put them in a shielded sub enclosure on the other side of the chassis in theirs to reduce interactions.


    ,spdif cable ,
    fire wire to usb,
    halide design bridge ,
    thunderbolt,
    OR5,
    MCRU linear power supply.

    bottom line am not tech but just practical terms step by step ,how do i set up my dac to my laptop or CDP for up-most results in sound quality ?

  2. #277
    Hello,
    does anybody have some experience with the Weiss INT202 ? How does it compare to other converters?
    I am considering this interface since I have the possibility to get it used for a quite good price and M2Tech doesn't seem to be able to release the drivers for Mavericks anytime soon.
    As the new Macbook Pro only has Thunderbolt ports, I will have to use an adapter. Will this be a problem? (I don't like adapters)

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    Quote Originally Posted by slartibartfast View Post
    Hello,
    does anybody have some experience with the Weiss INT202 ? How does it compare to other converters?
    I am considering this interface since I have the possibility to get it used for a quite good price and M2Tech doesn't seem to be able to release the drivers for Mavericks anytime soon.
    As the new Macbook Pro only has Thunderbolt ports, I will have to use an adapter. Will this be a problem? (I don't like adapters)
    I own and use a Weiss INT202 with a Paul Hynes PS. So far, the only converter that I've heard that competes with it is the Harmonic Technology INEX Photon Digital USB interface. A friend and I spent a few hours comparing the INEX to the Berkeley Audio Alpha USB and we had a little time after that comparison to throw the Weiss INT202 into the mix. But in the little time we had, the Weiss INT202 was very close to the INEX. By the way, the INEX was superior to the Berkeley.

    Regarding the adaptor, I haven't done any comparisons yet. I will do some comparisons at some point. I have a 2011 Macbook Pro that has both Thunderbolt (which I can use with my adaptor) as well as Firewire 800 so comparing the two would be pretty easy.

    Here's a link to the Harmonic Tech INEX device:

    INEX Photon Digital / USB cable:
    Macbook Pro 2.6 GHz Intel Core i7, 16GB RAM w/ internal SSD -> Audirvana Plus, Mavericks -> Weiss INT202 -> APL Denon DAC -> Nuforce Ref 9v2 Monoblocks -> Von Schweikert VR4jrs -> (Power Conditioning: Audience adeptResponse aR12). Twitter: @hirezaudio

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    @gsquared: The Berkeley Alpha performs best when using AES/EBU rather than s/pdif. Did you try the Berkeley with AES/EBU, or just s/pdif?

    Also, I thought the Weiss INT202 was a firewire converter, not usb converter, but perhaps I am mistaken on that.
    MacBook Pro ​2012, i7, 16gb(Audirvana) > TotalDac usb cable & filter > | Berkeley Alpha USB > Siltech HF-9 > | Bel Canto DAC 2.5 > Siltech Anniversary 220i > | Jeff Rowland Capri ​preamp > Siltech Anniversary 220i > | Blue Circle Audio BC202 amp > MG Audio Planus III > | Revel Ultima Gem | 2 x Revel Performa3 B110 subwoofers | Sablon Gran Corona power cords | GIK room treatments

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blake View Post
    @gsquared: The Berkeley Alpha performs best when using AES/EBU rather than s/pdif. Did you try the Berkeley with AES/EBU, or just s/pdif?
    Blake, yes we used AES/EBU into an APL DAC-S. I don't recall what cable we used, but I remember it was a very nice cable. It might have been a Crystal Cable $$$.
    Macbook Pro 2.6 GHz Intel Core i7, 16GB RAM w/ internal SSD -> Audirvana Plus, Mavericks -> Weiss INT202 -> APL Denon DAC -> Nuforce Ref 9v2 Monoblocks -> Von Schweikert VR4jrs -> (Power Conditioning: Audience adeptResponse aR12). Twitter: @hirezaudio

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blake View Post
    Also, I thought the Weiss INT202 was a firewire converter, not usb converter, but perhaps I am mistaken on that.
    You're not mistaken, the INT202 is a FireWire to SPDIF converter. Though it is used for the same purpose really (connecting a computer to SPDIF input on a DAC).

    Eloise

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blake View Post
    Also, I thought the Weiss INT202 was a firewire converter, not usb converter, but perhaps I am mistaken on that.
    Yes the Weiss INT202 is a firewire converter.

    The problem with the Weiss is that it does not support Integer mode. To my ears, using Integer mode on other USB converters I've listened to makes a significant improvement.
    Macbook Pro 2.6 GHz Intel Core i7, 16GB RAM w/ internal SSD -> Audirvana Plus, Mavericks -> Weiss INT202 -> APL Denon DAC -> Nuforce Ref 9v2 Monoblocks -> Von Schweikert VR4jrs -> (Power Conditioning: Audience adeptResponse aR12). Twitter: @hirezaudio

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    @Eloise: Thanks.

    @G2: Looking at the INEX Photon link you posted, it looks to be a multiple product approach- a usb cable, a spdif cable and a box with an xmos processor usb/spdif converter. Details are sparse though. I believe that you found the INEX to be superior, but personally I would be very surprised if that setup could beat a Berkeley Alpha, or a Weiss for that matter. I am not saying it would be impossible, just that I am skeptical.
    MacBook Pro ​2012, i7, 16gb(Audirvana) > TotalDac usb cable & filter > | Berkeley Alpha USB > Siltech HF-9 > | Bel Canto DAC 2.5 > Siltech Anniversary 220i > | Jeff Rowland Capri ​preamp > Siltech Anniversary 220i > | Blue Circle Audio BC202 amp > MG Audio Planus III > | Revel Ultima Gem | 2 x Revel Performa3 B110 subwoofers | Sablon Gran Corona power cords | GIK room treatments

    HP Setup: Sources listed above, then... > Black Cat Lectraline > Bottlehead Crackw/Speedball upgrade headphone amp (Tung Sol 5998+Sylvania 1952 "Bad Boy" 6SN7GT tubes) > Beyerdynamic T1, also Fostex TH900. Incoming from Light Harmonic Labs: Geek Pulse-Xf + LPS + 2G usb cable

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blake View Post
    @Eloise: Thanks.

    @G2: Looking at the INEX Photon link you posted, it looks to be a multiple product approach- a usb cable, a spdif cable and a box with an xmos processor usb/spdif converter. Details are sparse though. I believe that you found the INEX to be superior, but personally I would be very surprised if that setup could beat a Berkeley Alpha, or a Weiss for that matter. I am not saying it would be impossible, just that I am skeptical.
    Blake, I was skeptical too. Trust me. When I got a call from my friend who told me about it and all the technical reasons why it should sound great, the first thing I said (in a skeptical tone) was "well... let's compare it to the Berkeley." So he borrowed a Berkeley unit from a dealer friend and we listened for about 2 hours, and the INEX definitely let more mid to high frequency information through. It didn't sound lean or bright, it just had more information, particularly in the high end. We kept going back and forth between the INEX and the Berkeley and overall, the Berkeley sounded veiled compared to the INEX. I will say this, listening to bright recordings at high volumes, it got pretty bright through the INEX. For example, Eva Cassidy Songbird, one track was a little too bright at the volumes we were playing it and some might prefer the Berkeley on that track.

    Personally, I would have to live with it for a few days or a week to make any final conclusions, but this is what we heard. In fact, my friend was going to buy the Berkeley unit from the dealer, but he just wanted to do this comparison before moving forward. He ended up returning the Berkeley.

    Of course, system synergy played a big part in what we were hearing. If your system is on the bright or lean side of neutral, you might not like the INEX setup. We were listening through a Macbook Pro into an APL DAC-S direct to a McIntosh 275 power amp using Harbeth 30.1s and it sounded incredible.
    Macbook Pro 2.6 GHz Intel Core i7, 16GB RAM w/ internal SSD -> Audirvana Plus, Mavericks -> Weiss INT202 -> APL Denon DAC -> Nuforce Ref 9v2 Monoblocks -> Von Schweikert VR4jrs -> (Power Conditioning: Audience adeptResponse aR12). Twitter: @hirezaudio

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    Weiss just announced a new USB interface called the INT204 that looks pretty interesting. It also converts DSD files to PCM. I would be interested in listening to this in Integer mode compared to my Weiss Firewire interface.

    Here's the link:

    INT204 | Weiss Engineering Ltd.
    Macbook Pro 2.6 GHz Intel Core i7, 16GB RAM w/ internal SSD -> Audirvana Plus, Mavericks -> Weiss INT202 -> APL Denon DAC -> Nuforce Ref 9v2 Monoblocks -> Von Schweikert VR4jrs -> (Power Conditioning: Audience adeptResponse aR12). Twitter: @hirezaudio

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