Thread: Shelby Lynne - Just A Little Lovin' (2012 Analogue Productions)

I just received the Analogue Productions release of this album. It's a hybrid SACD. The details on the CD layer are few and far between. I'm guessing Doug Sax mastered it as he did the original release and was involved in this on on the vinyl side. I can't find anything online that says this is a remaster of the CD layer. My guess was that this is an obviously new SACD version with the original CD version and a new vinyl release. However, when analyzing the title track I found the new release has less dynamic range compression. Here are a screenshots. The first one is the original CD release. The second one is the new release CD layer.

Anyone have more info on this release?

Shelby Lynne-Just A Little Lovin-Hybrid Stereo SACD | Acoustic Sounds

Click to enlarge

NO info on the release, but it looks to be worth buying for the CD layer alone...

Here is the Dynamic Range information for both albums.

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Analyzed folder: /Users/chris/Desktop/Just a Little Lovin'
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DR Peak RMS Filename
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DR11 -0.02 dB -14.68 dB 01-Just A Little Lovin.wav
DR11 -0.02 dB -14.17 dB 02-Anyone Who Had a Heart.wav
DR13 -0.02 dB -15.53 dB 03-You Don't Have to Say You Love Me.wav
DR10 -0.02 dB -12.59 dB 04-I Only Want to Be with You.wav
DR12 -0.26 dB -15.53 dB 05-The Look of Love.wav
DR10 -0.02 dB -12.94 dB 06-Breakfast in Bed.wav
DR12 -0.02 dB -15.08 dB 07-Willie and Laura Mae Jones.wav
DR11 -0.02 dB -13.76 dB 08-I Don't Want to Hear It Anymore.wav
DR12 -0.02 dB -14.46 dB 09-Pretend.wav
DR13 -0.02 dB -16.57 dB 10-How Can I Be Sure.wav
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Number of files: 10
Official DR value: DR12


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Analyzed folder: /Users/chris/Desktop/Just a Little Lovin' (Analogue Productions)
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DR Peak RMS Filename
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DR14 -0.91 dB -19.17 dB 01 - Just a Little Lovin.wav
DR12 -3.59 dB -18.70 dB 02 - Anyone Who Had a Heart.wav
DR13 -4.05 dB -20.11 dB 03 - You Don't Have to Say You Love Me.wav
DR12 -1.74 dB -17.10 dB 04 - I Only Want to Be with You.wav
DR12 -4.87 dB -20.04 dB 05 - The Look of Love.wav
DR12 -1.94 dB -17.20 dB 06 - Breakfast in Bed.wav
DR14 -2.56 dB -19.62 dB 07 - Willie and Laura Mae Jones.wav
DR13 -1.61 dB -18.37 dB 08 - I Don't Want to Hear It Anymore.wav
DR13 -2.38 dB -18.99 dB 09 - Pretend.wav
DR14 -3.77 dB -21.19 dB 10 - How Can I Be Sure.wav
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Number of files: 10
Official DR value: DR13


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Hi Chris
You don't appear to have the original release. Attached is a copy I have saved from track 1 with both an earlier release
and a 2008 remaster.
Regards
Alex


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Originally Posted by The Computer Audiophile

I just received the Analogue Productions release of this album. It's a hybrid SACD. The details on the CD layer are few and far between. I'm guessing Doug Sax mastered it as he did the original release and was involved in this on on the vinyl side. I can't find anything online that says this is a remaster of the CD layer. My guess was that this is an obviously new SACD version with the original CD version and a new vinyl release. However, when analyzing the title track I found the new release has less dynamic range compression. Here are a screenshots. The first one is the original CD release. The second one is the new release CD layer.

Anyone have more info on this release?

Shelby Lynne-Just A Little Lovin-Hybrid Stereo SACD | Acoustic Sounds

Click to enlarge

Yes, Chris, this link will provide what you are looking for: " Just a Little Lovin' " Finally Gets Some | Analog Planet

Best,
Richard

Has the tape hiss gone, or is it still there?

Originally Posted by The Computer Audiophile

That article simply says the CD layer will be transferred at the highest level ...

Does that mean it's the same master just a new A to D transfer? Also it wasn't done at the highest level (fortunately). The previous release was at a much higher level.

Chris,
Does not the "Interview with Doug Sax by Andre Marc:" at the bottom of the article address your concerns?
Best,
Richard

Originally Posted by The Computer Audiophile

No. Please help me :~)

I would if I could, but I can not because as enthusiastic as I am about listening to music, paying for it, wishing I could make music, I am out of my depths about production/engineering. For me, it is Magic (Medicine and Miracles)! So was the first time I heard a radio or picked up a phone and heard another voice respond at the other end. How do they do that? ;>}
Music, Gooooooood!
Richard

To my eyes it looks like Doug Sax is not saying whether they specifically went to PCM (used EQ) or not on this transfer, but instead kind of quoted off the party line that "if we did, we were good about it, and used it consistently across vinyl, cd and SACD". I suspect this transfer is not analog-direct-to-DSD as most Kevin Gray or Steve Hoffman Analague production transfers are. I'll be excited to listen to it, nonethlesss.

Originally Posted by ted_b

To my eyes it looks like Doug Sax is not saying whether they specifically went to PCM (used EQ) or not on this transfer, but instead kind of quoted off the party line that "if we did, we were good about it, and used it consistently across vinyl, cd and SACD". I suspect this transfer is not analog-direct-to-DSD as most Kevin Gray or Steve Hoffman Analague production transfers are. I'll be excited to listen to it, nonethlesss.

Yeah! What he said!
Anonymous

I do not think this album could be analog direct to DSD, as I do not think the album was mixed in the analog domain and hence a true analog master does not exist. My understanding is that the original tracks were layed down to tape, and then transferred to PCM for mixing/mastering (I do not know at what resolution). I know the original LP was made from a digital source.
Does anyone know anything different from this?

From Amazon this release is a Hybrid SACD-DSD...?????

Does this mean the layer is SACD regular encrypted, plus a DSD (presume DSD64) as the other layer and the Redbook is gone?

Originally Posted by One and a half

From Amazon this release is a Hybrid SACD-DSD...?????

Does this mean the layer is SACD regular encrypted, plus a DSD (presume DSD64) as the other layer and the Redbook is gone?

No, it's a normal stereo hybrid SACD (SACD layer, redbook layer).

Originally Posted by barrows

I do not think this album could be analog direct to DSD, as I do not think the album was mixed in the analog domain and hence a true analog master does not exist. My understanding is that the original tracks were layed down to tape, and then transferred to PCM for mixing/mastering (I do not know at what resolution). I know the original LP was made from a digital source.
Does anyone know anything different from this?

From: my vinyl review: Short Spin: Shelby Lynne --Just A Little Lovin Quality Record Pressings 200 GRAM Vinyl

"Shelby Lynne was very outspoken when she did the initial publicity for Lovin, emphasizing that she recorded to a Studer, using two inch analog tape, rather than recording digitally. Nontheless, due to some vinyl plating irregularities, the initial 180 gram vinyl release was mastered from a 24/96 digital file."

Then I guess Analogue Productions transfer could be from the analog tape.

To my ears the SQ is like analog to DSD transfer, not from PCM, and never from DSD.

The mastering is from Doug Sax, as stated somewhere (for the CD & the LP). I don't have the LP, but yes the original CD, and (for me) has an extraordinary SQ.

I was waiting maybe too much from the SACD (DSD rip), but I could stay with the regular CD.

Roch

Roch: Yeah, as I said, the initial tracks were laid down to tape (analog). But my understanding is that those multitracks were then transferred to PCM for mixing. No one has ever claimed that this album was mixed in analog. So, as far as everything I have read about it, there is a PCM step involved. I am not claiming it sounds "bad", the original CD sounds great, and I would be very interested in the SACD, even with the PCM step (hopefully i was at at least 24/96). I do not think that Analogue Productions would have actually re-mixed the album themselves from the multi-track tapes, so I suspect that they received either an analog master made from the PCM mix down, or a (hopefully high res) PCM master.
If anyone actually knows anything different than this which is verified by someone involved in the mixing, I would love to hear the details.

OK, now I am confused, I just copied this from the review you linked:

"The 200 gram version from Quality Record Pressings reviewed today, is thus, the first truly all-analog version. Doug Sax of The Mastering Lab, who runs an all-analog mastering chain without the use of a digital preview head, went back to the original tapes to produce a truly all analog master for this cutting, which was reportedly quite time-consuming and expensive. The result is a version of this album that is a tad warmer tonally, goes even deeper in the lower bass, and has an overall ease to the presentation that makes it the best version yet of this record. In fact, the super-silent 200 gram vinyl surfaces particularly benefit an ultra-dynamic recording such as this, so that previously unheard details such as the lightest cymbal flourishes can now be heard."

I am not sure that this is entirely correct though. I know it was previously reported that the multitracks were transferred to PCM for mixing, unless another mixing session was done in the analog domain? I wonder if Doug Sax was presented with an analog master, sourced from the PCM mix-down? Although the claim above of "all analog" would then seem problematic?

Originally Posted by barrows

I am not sure that this is entirely correct though. I know it was previously reported that the multitracks were transferred to PCM for mixing, unless another mixing session was done in the analog domain? I wonder if Doug Sax was presented with an analog master, sourced from the PCM mix-down? Although the claim above of "all analog" would then seem problematic?

Here is what Doug Sax actually had to say:

Interview with Doug Sax by Andre Marc:

Musicangle.com: Can you tell us about the master tape you received for Shelby Lynne's Just A Little Lovin' album and what process you used to archive it to digital? We know you cut lacquers from the analog tape.

Doug Sax: The master tape was a 2 track 1/2 inch, recorded at 30 ips. The tape was Quantegy GP 9, which was my favorite in the tape days. The tape was mixed directly from the multi-track 2" master. No noise reduction was utilized.It was recorded and mixed by Al Schmitt at Capitol studios. It is, to my knowledge,the last all analog recording done by Al.