Thread: Bob Marley and the Wailers - Legend - HD Tracks

Thanks bottlerocket!

If you have the ability, any chance you can post the dynamic range information? Thinking of pulling the trigger on this one, and I have been bitten to many times by HDTracks.

Who me? Impulsive?

I think I could listen to Redemption Song all night long..

Waveform and Spectrum graphs attached for a few more songs. I only included one waveform, as they all are blissfully similar, indicating that you can use your volume control as your God intended, by turning it up instead of down.

Please note, HDTracks indicates that two songs are 24/48, as that was the only format available. I have included one spectrum graph of the 24/48 Get Up, Stand Up.

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Analyzed: Bob Marley & The Wailers / Legend (Remastered)
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR12 -2.33 dB -17.61 dB 3:52 01-Is This Love
DR14 -0.65 dB -17.19 dB 7:10 02-No Woman, No Cry (1975 - Live At The Lyceum, London)
DR14 -1.11 dB -16.54 dB 3:57 03-Could You Be Loved
DR12 -0.98 dB -16.48 dB 3:01 04-Three Little Birds
DR13 -1.13 dB -15.83 dB 4:18 05-Buffalo Soldier
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Number of tracks: 5
Official DR value: DR13

Samplerate: 192000 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 24
Bitrate: 5175 kbps
Codec: FLAC
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Statistics for: 06-Get Up, Stand Up
Number of samples: 19049543
Duration: 3:18
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Left Right

Peak Value: -4.42 dB --- -4.42 dB
Avg RMS: -18.43 dB --- -19.27 dB
DR channel: 11.84 dB --- 12.12 dB
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Official DR Value: DR12

Samplerate: 96000 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 24
Bitrate: 2726 kbps
Codec: FLAC
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Analyzed: Bob Marley & The Wailers / Legend (Remastered)
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR12 -1.48 dB -16.09 dB 5:31 07-Stir It Up (Original Album Version)
DR13 -1.39 dB -16.49 dB 2:55 08-Easy Skanking
DR14 -3.19 dB -18.99 dB 2:52 09-One Love / People Get Ready
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Number of tracks: 3
Official DR value: DR13

Samplerate: 192000 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 24
Bitrate: 5145 kbps
Codec: FLAC
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Statistics for: 10-I Shot The Sheriff
Number of samples: 27038338
Duration: 4:42
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Left Right

Peak Value: -2.53 dB --- -3.83 dB
Avg RMS: -17.22 dB --- -17.95 dB
DR channel: 12.05 dB --- 11.44 dB
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Official DR Value: DR12

Samplerate: 96000 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 24
Bitrate: 2815 kbps
Codec: FLAC
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Analyzed: Bob Marley & The Wailers / Legend (Remastered)
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR14 -0.53 dB -16.83 dB 4:12 11-Waiting In Vain
DR12 -2.90 dB -19.66 dB 3:47 12-Redemption Song
DR16 -1.73 dB -20.53 dB 4:32 13-Satisfy My Soul
DR14 -1.03 dB -17.29 dB 7:41 14-Exodus
DR13 -0.96 dB -16.11 dB 3:32 15-Jamming
DR13 -0.75 dB -15.72 dB 6:53 16-Punky Reggae Party
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Number of tracks: 6
Official DR value: DR14

Samplerate: 192000 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 24
Bitrate: 5237 kbps
Codec: FLAC

On a side note, this release got me thinking about the CD folders (shudder) with all my wife's music stored in them. A while back, I took most of this music and burned it to mp3 320k for use in iTunes.

Looking at the server backup, I see a Bob Marley folder. So I track down the CD folder, blow off the dust, and low and behold, there is a Tuff Gong copy of Legends, remastered by the wonderful Mr. Barry Diament. So I get to scratch another CD off my must find list, and I have an excellent redbook copy that I can compare to!

Originally Posted by wisnon

So how does it compare?

Yep, Barry's Redbook vs hi-res that may be pretty well recorded itself is a classic dilemma, and I'd like to know what your impression is as well.

Can't do a subjective comparison until I listen to this at home, work DAC is only capable of 24/96.

I have done some Audacity wrangling (I am an Audacity Cowboy wanna be), and wanted to post a couple of tracks for people to look at. The CD is a bit louder, and has very light clipping in a few songs.

Satisfy My Soul

And I don't want Julf's eyes to hurt, here is log plot of spectrum

Originally Posted by Garf

And I don't want Julf's eyes to hurt, here is log plot of spectrum

Thanks! Appreciated! To make it perfect, could I ask you to post the spectrum analysis plot as well?

Here you go.

Still don't understand the 'too much selected, taking the first xxx seconds' thing in Audacity. Since the CD is the first 237s, and the 24/192 the first 53s, isn't it comparing apples to oranges?

Originally Posted by goldsdad

The spectrum analyser has a max limit to the number of frames (samples per channel) it will accept. About 10.5 million, I guess. The higher the sample rate, the less time covered by a given number of samples. Yes, you'll compare apples to oranges unless you select the same time interval in the tracks being compared.

That's what I thought, more of what I don't understand is how to select the same time interval on the two different tracks and plot. I guess use the lesser time interval of the higher res audio, and select the same in the CD audio. Adjust where you take the interval from if the music has an extended, quiet opening. Now that I have a game plan, I can attempt to put it into action.

First of all Barry's remaster is wonderful and I don't think I'll stop listening to it since I've downloaded this 24/192 done by Bruce from an Island safety.

The main difference is in the depth of the sound stage which goes way back with the 24/192. Barry's remaster is more up front. Also, the 24/192 less hard, more like listening to a tape. This is a very nice remaster and I am "jamming" to it.

Originally Posted by dallasjustice

First of all Barry's remaster is wonderful and I don't think I'll stop listening to it since I've downloaded this 24/192 done by Bruce from an Island safety.

The main difference is in the depth of the sound stage which goes way back with the 24/192. Barry's remaster is more up front. Also, the 24/192 less hard, more like listening to a tape. This is a very nice remaster and I am "jamming" to it.

"..done by Bruce.." = Bruce Brown, Puget Sound Studios ?
"..Island safety.." = Island Records safety master copy ?

Just checking, as I am in here to learn as well as enjoy!

I have been playing the first few tracks from both the CD and 24/192, and after adjusting the volume on the CD tracks -2db, the difference is subtle at best. First thing I noticed was his voice on Three Little Birds seemed more 'recessed'. Now that the kids are put to bed, as soon as Cara Dillon stops playing (daughter likes to fall asleep to it), i can give it a good listen with the headphones.

that's correct; Bruce Brown and Island Records Safety.

Just finished listening to the the HDTracks download on the headphones. It sounds superb! The CD is no slouch either, and I am happy to have both in my collection.

Originally Posted by Matias

MoFi album Exodus sound a little louder (DR 12 for Jamming) than HDTracks version (DR14 for the same song).
It has a stronger and fuller bass, sounds somewhat more round, although not as focused. High res has extended highs and deeper soundstage.

I wonder if you get the extra 2db just by ripping the Redbook of the mofi and saving as 44.1/24? I think I have this album as well, will check it over the weekend.