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    The Who in 24/96

    HDTracks just released the Who's Tommy in 24/96.
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    I'll believe it

    When I see the fftw. Who feels lucky this time?
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    Sampled the goods

    I decided to buy one track. Looks interesting. Sounds even better.



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    Got It

    I'm listening to it right now. The Acid Queen Rocks. This sounds great.

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    How does it compare to the CD?

    I have the CD reissue from 1996. I've always liked it and thought it was a huge improvement over the crappy sound of the original LP.

    Is the new download really that much better?
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    fftw

    That looks encouraging.

    I might have to break down.

    Now if they get some Dead, that would be interesting...
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    yes, endorsed by Michael Fremer

    I emailed him and asked if he liked it as much as it sounded like in the edited comments on HDTracks. He said yes - it's better than the SACD release. He doesn't like it as much as the original vinyl release (on Track, not Decca), but said it's great.
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    The Who - which version

    OK Have just downloaded it.

    The liner notes are from the SACD 5.1 version made from the 8 track tapes but do refer to the original stereo masters also having been found in 2003 and used for the stereo release. The liner notes show 25 tracks and the extra 17 out-takes/demos tracks.

    The actual download though is 24 tracks - Just to confuse us all !

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    My Tommy download has the last track cut 4 minutes short!

    I played the whole thing and was waiting for the last transition into the last four minutes and boom! It's not there. A guy over at the Hoffman site posted the same info just looking at the times. I contacted them but no answer. If you're planning to download wait until it's all fixed. The last track should be 7 minutes, not 3!
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    I believe that some of the

    I believe that some of the early vinyl versions did not feature the 25th track (See Me Feel Me/Listening To You). I believe most CD versions including the Deluxe Edition (SACD Hybrid) did include it but the MFSL version did not. All in all very confusing as to which or what is correct.
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    I have paid for it but I can't download it!

    I purchased this download yesterday. Their Java based downloader successfully downloaded the pdf artwork and the first track and then it refuses to download any more, saying that there is a problem with my Internet connection.

    My web browser and email client are both working fine. I have Internet Explorer 9 and Mozilla Firefox 4 RC installed on Windows 7 Ultimate (x64). I have made sure that my Java software is up to date. I have also tried this download on two other PCs in the house and exactly the same thing happens.

    What with this failed download and someone else on this board reporting credit card fraud problems after purchasing from HDtracks, I'll think I'll give them a miss from now on!

    I'm going to make sure that they either ensure that I am able to complete the download or they give me a full refund.

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    Download or discs?

    Out of interest, do people actualy like downloading music, or would you prefer distribution on DVD for high resolution music?

    Is downloading something being forced on is by distributors such as HD Tracks? I know there is the conveinience of immediate access but would people prefer a physical disk even if you have to wait a few days?

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    Nothing is really being

    Nothing is really being forced on as we always have the choice to purchase or to pass. I do prefer downloading music to the physical distribution of music on optical disc and see this as the inevitable means of buying music going forward.
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    HDTracks claiming the missing last 4 minutes.........

    were bonus material and not included on regular discs? Do these guys actually listen to what they release? Nope. HDTracks Tommy just ends with no fade or "Listening....." Here's the email they are sending everyone:


    Dear valued customer,

    Thank you for your inquiry about Tommy. The original version of Tommy
    was sent to HDtracks (24 tracks total). The deluxe edition has 25
    tracks, but HDtracks is releasing the original version of the album
    which does not have the bonus track "See Me, Feel Me". You will see that
    other digital download stores are offering the same album as HDtracks,
    with 24 tracks, but as mp3s.

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    Download or discs

    Data DVDs would be good but introduce greater cost. Downloads take some time (where I live) but keep costs down.
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    Download or discs

    Personally, I prefer downloads. I have fast Internet access (50Mbps) and can download even the largest releases in minutes vs. waiting days / weeks for the data on a physical disc.
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    Definitely prefer download!

    It's a lot less hassle since it will played from the computer anyway.

    We rarely put on a real CD (or DVD-A, etc.) these days. When I do, it is mostly to check the sound quality of the streaming system(s).

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    Downloads...

    Thanks to all for your replies. I was just curious.

    Personally the first thing I do when I download any music is write a copy to a CD / DVD as a backup and with a number of posts about issues with downloads I wondered what people felt.

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    And I agree "Trust your ears" but equally don't allow them to fool you - trust them with a bit of skepticism.

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    1996 version also 24 tracks

    I have a CD version done in 1996 and it also has only 24 tracks
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    I have the same CD but the last track is 7 min not 3

    The running time is off on the the HDTracks by 4 minutes. There is no bonus end track. The CD's w/24 tracks simply have 24+25 combined for one track compared to the 25 version. They messed up. I owned the original vinyl and it never ended like this.
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    Yes they messed up.

    Yes they messed up. Unfortunately HD Tracks doesn't realize it. I contacted them and they obviously haven't listened to Tommy before, judging from their response. A concept album without the last few minutes? The fact that they refused to offer a refund doesn't bother me as much as the fact that the don't even realize that they failed to include the whole album and won't fix it.

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    You know the DVD A is a good alternative

    http://www.musicdirect.com/product/75151.

    2 disks and 42 tracks.

    You get a physical disk that you can rip to your music server but still have a back up and no hassles with lost tracks and faulty downloads.





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    And multichannel 5.1 surround thrown in for free! ;)

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    Follow up email response from HD Tracks

    I just received the following response to a further inquiry I made regarding the missing track.


    "Dear Valued Customer,

    We genuinely appreciate the passionate interest in music our customers share with HDTracks.com. When we offer titles from our label partners, and our customers comment, we take their comments seriously and do everything we can to address any concerns. We stand behind our customers.

    As an online retailer, we’re not always in a position to dictate what our content provider decides to package and sell as an album through HDTracks.com, nor can we ever be as knowledgeable as a company as our customers are individually when it comes to album release content. When a customer has a concern about an album release, we listen, and we go back to our content providers to find out how we can make our customers happy.

    We’re not satisfied until the customer is satisfied. As a result of your valuable feedback, we are working on a solution to satisfy our customers who've purchased The Who's Tommy and have questions about the length of Track 24. We appreciate your patience.

    Thank you for your continued support as we build the world’s biggest high-definition audio music store on the Internet.

    Please let us know if there is anything else we can do for you to satisfy you with your purchase.

    Regards,
    The HDtracks Team"
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    I got the same reply from

    I got the same reply from them.

    It doesn't sound like a missing track - it just sounds like the last track was truncated (it ends abruptly).

    Hopefully they get it sorted - it sounds great.
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