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    HDtracks banned for non USA

    Apparently is now impossible to buy from HDtracks if your ip address is from outside USA.

    Is there any workaround?

    Are there any plans for going international?

    I understand the tax implications but the hires catalog available outside HDtracks is mainly classical and limited.

    Thanks in advance and best regards


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    Has always been 'impossible'

    Give a US address. Any will do, just pick one out of a trade directory, or that of a friend or relative. Suggest not 'The White House, Washington'. Don't email with something ending in, for example, 'co.uk'

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    ISP

    They have started blocking ISP adresses.

    But there are ways to cope with that.

    i.e. use Firefox with "anonymox" add-on ...
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    That's interesting.

    Wonder why? Doen't the USA whinge about 'fair trade practices' all the time? Now they don't want to export recorded music. If they won't sell us that we might think twice about buying weapons, airliners, horrible GM food, etc. Then they can whinge even more.

    It is not as if any tax avoidance is involved. They charge US tax paid prices.

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    Music industry

    The industry - the same which is forcing ACTA ... - will have their "rights" protected ...

    For me, this kind of situation is tatally absurd (in the todays world).

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    Royalty issues

    The licensing HDT gets for its products that come from other recording companies is generally a US one only. Because of differing royalty and licensing agreements in different countries, they are forbidden to sell the material outside the US.

    In the past you could get around the US only rule by paying thru PayPal. If they are blocking IPs, you can probably get around it by using a proxy server. Try using UltraSurf.
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    Ho Ho

    If the music industry, with HD Tracks as its puppet, won't sell me something legitimately, they cannot whinge about piracy, can they, as such actions simply encourage it.

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    or...

    this is an opprtunity for someone in your country to start a UK specific HDtracks-like site and sell the music yourself. Do you not agree that would be a better solution than complaining about it and resolving to pirate the music?
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    20th Century business model

    That's the problem with the Recording Industry - they are obsessed with maintaining their copyrights and privileges while failing to keep up with a rapidly changing world. There are lots of people willing to pay a reasonable fee for content, but are frustrated by the lack of availability, quality, and affordability. So workarounds are found (piracy), and the Industry responds by attacking the symptoms, not the cause.
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    Could not be like HD Tracks though.

    Doing what they do, passing off upsampled stuff as hi res, puts you in jail.

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    Mark powell in jail

    sounds like an answered prayer to me... As long as there is no internet access in there.
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    Not a chance.

    I'm a terrorist from the Middle East as well. We've got human rights. Better ones than everyone else.

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    according to what you said above

    if you started a site like HD tracks, and then decided to also sell upsampled material, you would go to jail. So, which is true? You would, or you wouldn't?
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    More seriously

    I have no real interest in HD Tracks, I just think their 'no outside USA' rule is stupid. But several big non-US record companies provide them with music, so there is a reason for it, even though it is silly. DG for example. If I buy from HD Tracks DG will at least get *some* revenue from me. At the moment they get none.

    Downloading of hi res music is a very delicate child. If it is to grow, and thus increase their revenue to replace that being lost by reduced 'hard' media sales, they should not place difficulties in the customers path.



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    if I were to guess

    I would guess that these restrictions are not the idea of HDTracks, but rather being forced on HDTracks by the record companies.

    edit: I will make you a deal Mark, I will send you all the HD Tracks files you want that you can not get in the UK, if you send me a left hand drive diesel Range Rover that I can not get here in the US.
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    Mark, if you found an album

    Mark, if you found an album on HDTracks that you liked, I wonder if you just went directly to the recording company and order off them. Not sure it'll work, but an idea.
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    That is also what I understand

    They seem to think that if we outside the US cannot buy from HD Tracks, we will buy elsewhere, hopefully from them. But they have made no real effort to make 'elsewhere' available.

    US internet radio is the same. Some stations have said that from January first, those who they loosely describe as 'lawyers' will not allow them to provide service outside the US. Stupid. Also not entirely true, as I heard one say it yesterday. It's mid-February. Maybe the announcer does not know that.

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    Range Rover

    And how would you get it fixed? Knowing Range Rovers, you would need to do that before long

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    Mark:

    "Doing what they do, passing off upsampled stuff as hi res, puts you in jail."

    Question: Many SACDs and DVDs originate from non high res original sources, who has been put in jail in the UK for selling these?


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    I am not worried about that

    I had a gas Rangie, I am aware of the need for a good Mechanic. I would like to get the significantly better fuel economy though.
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    Actually I don't think anyone

    Actually I don't think anyone from the music industry has ever been put in jail (some should be, for their music). Not even as a result of a police raid on the Rolling Stones and their friends years ago for drug taking in a big country house. Not too far from where I live, in fact.

    More seriously, SACDs and DVDs have never been sold here with any 'hi res' claims. So the issue does not arise. And I doubt that there is a legal definition. If 96 and 192K become the 'norm' the term will be forgotten.

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    There are so many ways

    to create IP addresses that originate from a foreign country to appear as a host nation's IP address very comfortably.

    Once again, technology is well ahead of the legal people in jumping over fences, heh, if you build the fence higher, it just takes a little more effort to jump higher.

    All I see is to protect a distributor's right to sell product in their country. With the demise of brick and mortar stores to sell CD (rarely, SACD & DVD-A), what are they protecting anyway? It's as though you are denying people their right to listen to another culture's music, which is much the same system (hypothetically) as letting only the French nationals visit the Mona Lisa, absurd, but legal...

    The inevitable will come to a crunch soon enough, it will all be online streaming, much to the detriment of SQ.

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    ????????????? Works fine for

    ????????????? Works fine for Canada...what is blocked???? Via Paypal. 100% ok

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    As an Aussie am following

    As an Aussie am following this thread with extreme disappointment. With all its problems HD Tracks has been the only legitimate site for mainstream HDres music. Do you know that we downunder have only just got Rdio but with some albums blacked out for no obvious copyright reason and Spotify is only promised much later in the year. What is it about copyright that seeks to exclude markets, makes no economic sense. End of rant.

    Now for HDtracks, excluded by direct download but was possible with Paypal. Haven't tried for sometime whether also excluded. Which brings me to another point. Apart from Tea for the Tillerman there has not be significant output from HDtracks for sometime. Remember when Fleetwood Mac came out there was a flurry of albums. Same with Talking Heads, and others but only one? from U2. The latest are only new releases from Tom Waits and Paul McCartney. I have wondered why the well seems to be drying out.

    Is something brewing? Are the major players positioning to extract more cash from us after all the remasters (welcome as they were to non analogue listeners). The extremely naive optimist hopes that something may be brewing. Perhaps the Feb 2011 talk of Itunes HiRes may come to fruition, shrug. One can only dream.



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    Very surprised that

    no one has connected the dots here, imo. HDTracks is trying to limit dissemination of what amounts to, in actuality, studio masters (24 bit) to countries that don't take copyright particularly seriously. This is a good sign, actually, and means that the light bulb has gone off at HDTracks. 24 bit is going to be the new "standard" for consumers, and they want to limit the piracy, as much as possible.
    I have thousands of LPs, hundreds of CDs, and dozens of 24 bit downloads. I mostly listen to the downloads...

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