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    Great thread, and learned a lot from it. I demoed a set of 3.7s a few weeks ago and bought them on the spot. They were ordered June 9 and they are currently reporting a 4-6 week lead time. Can't wait. Some months ago I had a set of MMGs and so got a taste of what Maggie's can do but these are something else. At that time even the MMGs were too big for my room so I sent them back, but I have since moved and now have the luxury of a dedicated music room that will accommodate the 3.7s just fine.

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    3.7's leave the factory on Monday. Can't wait!

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    Hi there.

    I paired my 1.7s with an NAD C375BEE putting out 150 wpc, with spikes up to 365 wpc. That amp enables the 1.7s to really shine. Complete presence, detail, "punch," lifelike reproduction, wide soundstage and excellent imaging. In my last system I ran MG 12s with a Rotel 140 wpc amp. The 1.2s were underpowered. I didn't get even close to the level of performance I'm getting with my current system. Also, the 1.7s are bass-poor no matter what amp you use, so I just wired in a Vandersteen 2Wq, which is working exceedingly well.

    I just finished building this system. I'm going to enjoy the crap out of my current system for about 10 years, then move up to the 3.7s and mono blocks or whatever for tons of juice.

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    Hi Paul,

    Indeed, it is current those girls like to drink.

    It isn't so much loudness that the beefier amps supply but control, not to mention a certain freedom when the going gets complex.

    Maggies are wonderful with 100 watt amps. They're truly sweet with tubes too. But with more "juice", they're more wonderful and even sweeter. ;-}

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    I've been flirting with the idea of getting a pair of Magnepans for some time now. Recently, I've managed to cadge a couple of (admittedly brief) auditions at a local dealer and written up the encounters, here:

    Magnepan 3.7: First Listen

    Magnepan 3.7: Second Listen

    The reasons I finally decided on a pair of Maggies? Well, it's complicated. I haven't really attempted to sort that out, so I thought I'd give it a shot in light of the fact that the ball started rolling here on this forum a while back.

    Let me start by saying that I'm a huge bass fan. Yeah, I know. There's no music "down there". And? Anyway, I love my subwoofers and shaking the house is a lot of fun. This sort of juvenile behavior has been the primary reason I've been so keen on getting a "full range" speaker.

    Ultimately, however, I found that exercise to be rather fruitless. Let me explain.

    There are two things working against me here. One is cost. To "go full" means investing a non-linear sum in a speaker -- that is, the pricing of speakers that delve into the 20Hz region isn't a simple incremental cost over speakers that roll off at, say, 35Hz. I don't really understand it, to be honest. But I saved, scraped, and sold my way into a position where I would have been able to get myself something pretty amazing.

    The other thing I was struggling with was performance. Yes, the Revel Ultima Salon 2 speakers -- and the KEF 207/2 speakers -- are truly wonderful sounding. They "do bass" very well. They also do everything else well, too. I got to hear Wilson Saschas, Vandersteen Model 5s, Legacy Audio Whisper XD, B&W 800d, as well as speakers from Joseph Audio, Sonus Faber, Aerial, and Avalon. I even went to Axpona this year to explicitly hear loudspeakers. In all that, I've heard some pretty compelling speakers. Great systems. Inspiring sound. But.

    Ultimately, very little sounded dramatically better than, or as interesting as, the new Magnepans (at least in my price range!), including the big KEFs and Revels. I fully expect your mileage to vary, so don't expect an argument there. But what I found is that most of these wonderful speakers actually sound pretty similar. There are a couple of standouts, and sure, I heard some that were exemplary. But when compared with the $5,500 Magnepan 3.7, I was left with the unshakeable feeling that I wouldn't be missing all that much if I saved the $10-20k. Maybe I just got cheap, or suddenly found I had cold feet, but I still feel that by forgoing the expensive, full range route in favor of the Maggies, I'd still be getting a pair of speakers that actually do sound different.

    Different how? Coherence. The soundstage that comes out of a big planar like this 3.7 is something you have to hear to understand. It's ... crazy. Very much life-sized. Scale is very easy. Room filling sound is normal and effortless. And did I mention that there's real bass?

    Yeah, that thing which got me started on this whole kick was bass. Oddly, bafflingly, and completely unexpectedly, the new Maggies have bass. And lots of it. The sample tracks I had been carting around with me from store to store, and room to room at Axpona, sounded just excellent on the Maggies. In many cases, my "torture tracks" sounded better on the Maggies than on speakers 5x their cost -- and it was that (repeated) experience alone that clued me me in to the possibility of saving a whole pile of cash. Ok, I'm slow. But still, better late than never, no?

    I have to admit, in all my auditioning this year, the bar has been set pretty high as my Merlin VSM-MXR speakers are a tough set to beat. They image like the dickens, they're fast, the midrange is superb -- for what they are, they're peerless. This is probably why I had such a hard time getting really enthusiastic about any particular full range speaker -- quite a lot of them simply couldn't hold a candle to the Merlins.

    So why am I ditching the Merlins? LOL. Did I say I was ditching the Merlins?

    If they do go, it'll be because the Maggies do something the Merlins don't (and aren't designed to) -- which is powerfully fill a large room full of wonderful sound. I'm not sure that this is a fair critique of the Merlins, but there it is. I love them, but my room may well be a bit large for them to pressurize, and this is something I think the Maggies will have a far easier time with. Will the Maggies be as clear, as fast, as rich as the Merlins? Who knows. But while they may not be better, that wasn't really what I was looking for. I was looking for different. And the top-to-bottom coherence and soundstage size on the Maggies are different, no question about that.

    So, I'm now in the queue for my very own pair of brand spanking new 3.7s. Apparently, the lead time on these guys is something like 8-12 weeks now, so I'm going to be waiting awhile. And wondering if I made the right decision. Second guessing myself. Doubting. And day dreaming.

    Anyone else jumping on this particular horse?

    Chris, I hope this post and all the cross linking doesn't violate your posting policies, but I thought I'd tie up a couple of old threads I started here last year and offer something new. I hope you'll forgive me if I've transgressed.

    Cheers!
    I owned a pair of 1.6 Maggies in the 80s.
    I auditioned the 3.6s 10 years ago, but because I love bass, opted for InnerSound hybrid electrostatics instead.
    I've just upgraded these to Sanders 10C speakers with digital crossover and a new Magtech amp for the bass, keeping my ESL 2 for the panels.

    Bass is now down to 20Hz (20 Hz. to 27 KHz. +/- 2 dB) and they are super fast and controlled.
    Roger Sanders is a brilliant designer and I urge you to try and audition his gear before you plonk money down on Maggies.

    Sanders Sound Systems - Electrostatic Speaker Systems

    ET

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvilTed View Post
    I owned a pair of 1.6 Maggies in the 80s.
    I auditioned the 3.6s 10 years ago, but because I love bass, opted for InnerSound hybrid electrostatics instead.
    I've just upgraded these to Sanders 10C speakers with digital crossover and a new Magtech amp for the bass, keeping my ESL 2 for the panels.

    Bass is now down to 20Hz (20 Hz. to 27 KHz. +/- 2 dB) and they are super fast and controlled.
    Roger Sanders is a brilliant designer and I urge you to try and audition his gear before you plonk money down on Maggies.

    Sanders Sound Systems - Electrostatic Speaker Systems

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    I like Sanders -- and Martin Logan, for that matter. I really like Quad, but that's another story.

    But I'm not sure an ESL with a planar-magnetic is an apples to apples comparison, if that makes sense. They're both panels, but that's about as far as it goes.

    But if you're the kinda person that gets turned on by that kind of sound (and I like it, don't get me wrong), there's a bunch of manufacturers that do that.

    None do their thing near Magnepan level pricing, however -- at least, not for the 3.7 (or "lower" on the Maggie food chain).

    Have to say, though, there are a lot of great speakers that live at that $10k - $15k price point.

    I do have a pet peeve about the Sanders approach. It's probably just me, but ... well, the notion of requiring a 24/96 A-D/D-A conversion (for the crossover) is a bit chilling. I mean, if you've invested any time or money in some sweet DSD or 192kHz (or higher) source material, well, now you have to down-rez it all for playback. Not sure what to make of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Part-Time Audiophile View Post
    I like Sanders -- and Martin Logan, for that matter. I really like Quad, but that's another story.

    But I'm not sure an ESL with a planar-magnetic is an apples to apples comparison, if that makes sense. They're both panels, but that's about as far as it goes.

    But if you're the kinda person that gets turned on by that kind of sound (and I like it, don't get me wrong), there's a bunch of manufacturers that do that.

    None do their thing near Magnepan level pricing, however -- at least, not for the 3.7 (or "lower" on the Maggie food chain).

    Have to say, though, there are a lot of great speakers that live at that $10k - $15k price point.

    I do have a pet peeve about the Sanders approach. It's probably just me, but ... well, the notion of requiring a 24/96 A-D/D-A conversion (for the crossover) is a bit chilling. I mean, if you've invested any time or money in some sweet DSD or 192kHz (or higher) source material, well, now you have to down-rez it all for playback. Not sure what to make of that.
    You mean like this?

    DEQX Products

    I hadn't really thought about this but I'll ask both Behringer and Roger to comment.
    I know Emerald Physics used to use the same Behringer unit but after reliability issues and customer attitudes they switched to their own DSP2.4 unit.
    I've asked them what the resolution of this unit is.

    Good points though...

    ET

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    Got my 3.7's last night. Tom from The Gifted Listener in VA came by with them and was in and out in under an hour. Playing with positioning but I will wait until they break in until deciding on a permanent position. They're awesome straight out of the box but it's obvious they need to break in, they are pretty tight. My room is 17.5 x 30 x 9 and I have them firing down the long wall, about 5 feet out from the rear wall and around 4 feet from each side wall, and toed in toward the listening position. I sit about 10 feet from the speakers. I have the resistor on the tweeter only right now but I'll experiment with that too after a while. Can't wait to do some serious listening this weekend!

    Colin

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    I also do like the Magnepans, the 1.6s were really great bang for the buck. I just wished I had the space to accomodate a pair... :-(
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    [QUOTE=EvilTed;169968]You mean like this?

    DEQX Products

    I hadn't really thought about this but I'll ask both Behringer and Roger to comment.
    I know Emerald Physics used to use the same Behringer unit but after reliability issues and customer attitudes they switched to their own DSP2.4 unit.
    I've asked them what the resolution of this unit is.

    Good points though...

    I talked to both Roger and Behringer.
    Roger is convinced that 24-bit audio is snake oil and there is nothing to be gained over 16/44.1.
    Behringer said it will make zero difference unless fed a digital input and in that case the the input must be 24/96 to avoid issues.

    In the Sanders case, it has already been converted to analog before being fed into the crossover.
    The Emerald Physics unit is actually only 16/44.1.

    ET

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    I demod a pair of 3.7s recently, and am considering purchasing them.

    My musical tastes run mostly to many types of rock and metal, not much jazz, classical, etc. I've heard that I may want to steer away from the Maggies due to my musical tastes (on other forums)... anyone here have an opinion on this? I did demo for about 2.5 hours with my own music, and it sounded very good to really great, varying with different songs.

    I'd have 2 Rythmik F15HP subs with them.

    Anyone with a pair of these listen to rock/metal on them? If so, any thoughts on this?

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    Not sure if of much help: I mostly listen to classical and jazz. However, Porcupine tree and Steven Wilsons albums (Rock) sound fantastic on my 1.6. Trust you own ears. Note that, the room and placement is very important. Thus, whatever you heard in the shop is only a partial indicator of how it would sound at home.

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    Hi morik,

    Quote Originally Posted by morik View Post
    I demod a pair of 3.7s recently, and am considering purchasing them.

    My musical tastes run mostly to many types of rock and metal, not much jazz, classical, etc. I've heard that I may want to steer away from the Maggies due to my musical tastes (on other forums)... anyone here have an opinion on this? I did demo for about 2.5 hours with my own music, and it sounded very good to really great, varying with different songs.

    I'd have 2 Rythmik F15HP subs with them.

    Anyone with a pair of these listen to rock/metal on them? If so, any thoughts on this?
    I've got a pair of 3.7s and love to hear rock/metal (and all other sorts of music) through them.

    I would guess anyone who suggests rock/metal lovers steer away from Maggies wants something other than the sound Maggies provide. Some folks want the sound of a speaker.

    To my ears, when properly set up, Maggies excel at getting out of the way, allowing me to hear past the gear, all the way to the recording itself. This is also why I love my Maggies for my work. I've used them to master rock/metal recordings. (They are the only monitors I use in my studio/listening room.) And I love them for those times I want to shake the walls with Zeppelin or AC/DC.

    I run my 3.7s full range and also have a pair of subs I run for the bottom half of the bottom octave (from 30 Hz down).
    Even without the subs, I love the way Maggies have of sounding, not like "great speakers" but like Music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdiament View Post
    Hi morik,



    I've got a pair of 3.7s and love to hear rock/metal (and all other sorts of music) through them.

    I would guess anyone who suggests rock/metal lovers steer away from Maggies wants something other than the sound Maggies provide. Some folks want the sound of a speaker.

    To my ears, when properly set up, Maggies excel at getting out of the way, allowing me to hear past the gear, all the way to the recording itself. This is also why I love my Maggies for my work. I've used them to master rock/metal recordings. (They are the only monitors I use in my studio/listening room.) And I love them for those times I want to shake the walls with Zeppelin or AC/DC.

    I run my 3.7s full range and also have a pair of subs I run for the bottom half of the bottom octave (from 30 Hz down).
    Even without the subs, I love the way Maggies have of sounding, not like "great speakers" but like Music.

    Best regards,
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    Hello Barry.
    Very speacial speakers indeed.
    I listened for the 1.7 here in Portugal and was very close to buy them...

    I noticed one "strange" thing on the 1.7 and I wonder if your 3.7s do the same. There was a "wall of sound" feeling, with a very deep stage....meaning one could feel the music coming clearly from behind the speakers...However, this was not evenly felt through all the spectrum as the high frequencies were more "attached" to the speakers...the whole effect was that the sound field had an arc effect.
    Now, is this common to all Magnepan Speakers due to the way they emit sound? Do you notice something like this.

    Anyway, on thing if for sure, those babies can rock and they produce a "big" wall of sound...

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    Hi MikeJazz,

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeJazz View Post
    Hello Barry.
    Very speacial speakers indeed.
    I listened for the 1.7 here in Portugal and was very close to buy them...

    I noticed one "strange" thing on the 1.7 and I wonder if your 3.7s do the same. There was a "wall of sound" feeling, with a very deep stage....meaning one could feel the music coming clearly from behind the speakers...However, this was not evenly felt through all the spectrum as the high frequencies were more "attached" to the speakers...the whole effect was that the sound field had an arc effect.
    Now, is this common to all Magnepan Speakers due to the way they emit sound? Do you notice something like this.

    Anyway, on thing if for sure, those babies can rock and they produce a "big" wall of sound...
    From what you are describing, I would say it is not the Maggies but the way they were set up that is responsible.
    Without knowing more of the particulars of the setup, it is hard to say but among the things that come to mind are:

    1. Placement/orientation of speakers and listening position in room (as well as toe-in angle of speakers)
    2. Closeness of speakers to the wall behind them or the side walls
    3. Closeness of listening position to wall behind listener or the side walls
    4. Untreated room - particularly in this case, in terms of early reflections in the treble (which could be exacerbated by items 1-3 above)
    5. Associated gear (anything from source to cables)

    The very first I'd check in this case is toe-in but all the items I mentioned would come into play.
    Properly set up, there should be as much treble information appearing to come from the center as from the sides and given a good recording, the speakers themselves should not be easy to locate as sources.

    Best regards,
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjmagnusson View Post
    Hi there.

    I paired my 1.7s with an NAD C375BEE putting out 150 wpc, with spikes up to 365 wpc. That amp enables the 1.7s to really shine. Complete presence, detail, "punch," lifelike reproduction, wide soundstage and excellent imaging. In my last system I ran MG 12s with a Rotel 140 wpc amp. The 1.2s were underpowered. I didn't get even close to the level of performance I'm getting with my current system. Also, the 1.7s are bass-poor no matter what amp you use, so I just wired in a Vandersteen 2Wq, which is working exceedingly well.

    I just finished building this system. I'm going to enjoy the crap out of my current system for about 10 years, then move up to the 3.7s and mono blocks or whatever for tons of juice.
    Sorry Kris, the 1.7s with a GOOD amp have enough bass for people who like MUSIC, they are not for heavy metal or very loud rock, home theater amps are OK for smaller models ONLY MMG's & MG-12s.
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    I pretty much agree. I thought my 1.6s were broken until I hooked them up to my Halo JC 1s.
    Quote Originally Posted by MrAcoustat View Post
    Sorry Kris, the 1.7s with a GOOD amp have enough bass for people who like MUSIC, they are not for heavy metal or very loud rock, home theater amps are OK for smaller models ONLY MMG's & MG-12s.
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    Ok yes i'm bias, i have owned 6 pairs of full range stats since ( 1984 ) all Acoustat's and 1 pair of Magnepan's 1.6 while the REBUILT of my last pair of Acoustat modified 1+1s, dollar for dollar nothing and i do mean nothing come's close to Magnepan unless you spend much much more, for me the ONLY one that was a better bargain was Acoustat, but they are no longer in production 1991 USA, when they left the USA they where no longer a BARGAIN, Italian gear is GOOD - NICE - and EXPENSIVE.

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    Hi MrAcoustat,

    Quote Originally Posted by MrAcoustat View Post
    Sorry Kris, the 1.7s with a GOOD amp have enough bass for people who like MUSIC, they are not for heavy metal or very loud rock, home theater amps are OK for smaller models ONLY MMG's & MG-12s.
    Certainly agreed as far as the 1.7s having plenty of bass when the associated gear is up to the task.
    This means avoiding amps that don't have the ability to deliver healthy *current* to the loudspeakers.

    I think the 1.7s are *outstanding* for rock, metal or any other music -- IF the listener is seeking to hear the sound of the recording and not the sound of the speaker. (Some folks want their speakers to add something to the recording. Nothing wrong with that but they will be happier with something less true to the input than Maggies are.)

    I also agree that the larger Maggies need something better than a home theater amp. It may get audio from them but why put cheap "gas" into a high performance "vehicle"? ;-}

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