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    v11 was pushed to me last night. Just opened it this morning and the first thing it did was rebuild the library or something.

    I manage my music file folders and metadata manually. When opening v11 the first time, I declined helping Apple with Album Art etc. With v11, I now see a few song listings I'd never seen before (looks like my wife has activated Cloud and has bought some mp3s from the Apple Store).

    I am worried (just paranoid) that v11 might be writing back more to metadata. Has anyone seen any difference?
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    Yup. Suddenly my database is "littered" with mp3 files from the cloud. There must be a way to turn this off ...

    EDIT:
    Easily turned off --> Preferences/Store/
    uncheck "Show iTunes in the Cloud Purchases"
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  3. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by garybx View Post
    I'm having major delay issues with the search function. When I start typing, I get the spinning wheel and it takes at least 15-30 seconds before any results are shown. Now granted, my library has 171,074 songs, but iTunes 10 had almost immediate response.
    I found the solution to the slow search problem: Click on the magnifying glass, deselect "search entire library" and search speeds should be back to normal.

  4. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by levandier View Post
    I found the solution to the slow search problem: Click on the magnifying glass, deselect "search entire library" and search speeds should be back to normal.
    I found this "solution" on the Apple forums and indeed it seems to have restored similar speeds to iTunes 10. It also eliminated the annoying new popup window for search results, and reverted to narrowing the list of matching songs. I'm just not sure why deselecting "search entire library" would fix it since it seems to still be searching my entire library even when I turn off that option.

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    Well, I listened through iTunes 11 to several albums last night, and I think it sounds better than ever- and the new interface is both awesome and weird.

    Need to listen a lot more to determine how it fares against Amarra and the like, but initially at least, it seems to stand up pretty well.

    It is finding stuff that isn't an exact match in iTunes Match and presenting it along with the local full resolution files. Have to figure out how to tell it to ignore that function. I do like the iTunes match for when I am in the truck. Can't beat being able to listen to a big chunk of your library, even at 256kbs AAC. I can say that works well with the new iTunes 11 as well. I RIPed a disc in last night, and it was available in the truck this morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul.Raulerson View Post
    ... the new interface is both awesome and weird...
    I'm liking it. I might actually be able to find stuff now.
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  7. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by levandier View Post
    I'm having the same problem on my music server (mac mini with SL 10.6.8). The slow response makes iTunes 11 basically useless for me. Looks like I'm going to have to downgrade back to iTunes 10.



    I left iTunes running all night to see if that was the cause and no improvement in speed today.

    Oh my god. Just downloaded, started my first search, and got a 40 second beach ball.

    You gotta be kidding. Please somebody tell me it eventually gets faster.

    On the rest, well, the Album Grid full screen is a good idea, but why the heck don't they allow the column browser with it? All I'm left with if I want to use the column browser (and I need with my library size) is the list view, which is basically the same as before, just without any decent album art view, except for the microscopic (on my 27') little icon on top. And I'm not really sure the new font is an improvement.

    Maybe useful for an 11' Macbook Air, but pretty useless for an iMac.

    I'm pretty annoyed.
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  8. #58
    I can report that the bug that causes files to be added to iTunes very very slowly, when the music library is placed on a NAS has not been fixed. Still stupefyingly slow.

    Bummer.

  9. #59
    However, I can report that the Apple Scripts I'm using in iTunes seem to work in 11.

  10. #60
    Pure Music will play gapless with iTunes 11. Rob sent me this:

    BTW, a work-around to be able to use gapless with Pure Music in iTunes 11 is to select the "Songs" (list) view in iTunes.

    It seems to work for me now.
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    Looks like the "show duplicates" function is gone for the time being.

    Like others have experienced, really slow moving when searching, etc.
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    Funnily enough, the search function via iPad app is extremely fast and actually rather useful. Hope that the ITunes search rapidly get fixed.
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    The tiny album art is seriously annoying... i have an iMac... and it looks really tiny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercman View Post
    Pure Music will play gapless with iTunes 11. Rob sent me this:

    BTW, a work-around to be able to use gapless with Pure Music in iTunes 11 is to select the "Songs" (list) view in iTunes.

    It seems to work for me now.
    Thanks for passing this along to the rest of us. The type of view affects the playback characteristics? The list view is what I've always used, but wow, is that peculiar. So deselect the Pure Music gapless option, go to the "Songs" view and I'll be able to listen to my ambient/drone albums gaplessly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by garybx View Post
    I found this "solution" on the Apple forums and indeed it seems to have restored similar speeds to iTunes 10. It also eliminated the annoying new popup window for search results, and reverted to narrowing the list of matching songs. I'm just not sure why deselecting "search entire library" would fix it since it seems to still be searching my entire library even when I turn off that option.
    With that option turned off, it searches whatever is currently "active" in the client (e.g., if Music is selected, it searches just Music and not Videos, etc.). If "search entire library" is selected, it conducts a much more extensive search, including Videos, Podcasts, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercman View Post
    a work-around to be able to use gapless with Pure Music in iTunes 11 is to select the "Songs" (list) view in iTunes.
    Does that mean Pure Music cannot play gaplessly if the list is sorted by Album?
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    Amarra 2.4.4 fixes playback issue with iTunes 11

    Quote Originally Posted by The Computer Audiophile View Post
    So far I have no issues with Amarra. Here is the version I'm using.


    Hi all,
    The issue with Amarra playing only a second or two is due to the Pre Load Tracks preference being set in Amarra Preferences. We have fixed the issue and posted Amarra 2.4.4 build 4435 to our website. You should be alerted to a new release being available the next time you launch Amarra or Hifi.
    If you have any other questions or need assistance, please don't hesitate to contact us.

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  18. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by Musicophile View Post
    As I'm currently traveling, I'd really be interested in hearing people's opinion on the changes and even more whether Audirvana still works.
    Let me give you a warning if you use Pure Music...I am running the latest version and today my iMac updated to iTunes 11.....

    I am still trying to figure out why nothing works right. For the first time I get a "loading to memory" note when I go to play an album and have had to wait as long as ten minutes for anything to happen. Some tracks play and some do not...I have no idea what is going on but do not update to iTunes 11 until the bugs with Pure Music are resolved.

    I consider it a complete mess. I also tried to remove the thing from my machine and replace it with 10.7 It had no problem at all doing that except for the note that tells me I have no music as it had all been changed to work with version 11...but it let me reload 11....

    After being VERY annoyed for an hour, I went back, rebooted, and more tracks play right...

    I am running snow leopard. My machine is 4.5 years old and is only used for music.

    And what is with this 'cloud' crap...All I want my music server to do is play the music I have put in my iMac. I have no desire at all for my computer to be talking to apple, the iTunes store or some database in the sky. I fear eventually they will figure a way to cut me off if I do not pay some fee, or let them tiptoe through my computer as they desire. I have no idea what mischief they might plan but will buy J-Rivers music program for Mac as soon as it becomes available.

    All I can say with certainty is beware for a while...this thing has bugs.

    Final note...Those tracks that do play have never sounded better.
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    It appears you no longer need to exit and restart iTunes to get iTunes to recognize the changes if you change outputs or bitrates in Audio Midi Setup - at least it's working for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhwalker View Post
    It appears you no longer need to exit and restart iTunes to get iTunes to recognize the changes if you change outputs or bitrates in Audio Midi Setup - at least it's working for me.
    You can even change on the fly (i.e., while music is playing). Seems like a short step to allow iTunes to change the MIDI settings automatically for bit-perfect (i.e., unmolested by Core Audio) playback?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhwalker View Post
    You can even change on the fly (i.e., while music is playing). Seems like a short step to allow iTunes to change the MIDI settings automatically for bit-perfect (i.e., unmolested by Core Audio) playback?
    How are you testing for bit perfect output?

    In the past you could always change Audio Midi sample rate and the DAC would show the new sample rate but iTunes would still be sending audio out at the rate set when it opened. Thus, a double sample rate conversion could happen.
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    Has somebody found a way to change the size of the albums in the album grid view? In past versions I remember a slider for this, but cannot find it anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Computer Audiophile View Post
    How are you testing for bit perfect output?

    In the past you could always change Audio Midi sample rate and the DAC would show the new sample rate but iTunes would still be sending audio out at the rate set when it opened. Thus, a double sample rate conversion could happen.
    Now that you say that . . . :/

    You're right, all I'm testing is that the final output is at the right bit rate (via DragonFly color change) and that iTunes keeps playing through various changes.

    How *would* you verify if iTunes itself is recognizing the change? I'm thinking we had documented a test earlier, but I no longer recall
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    What happened to the find cover art option?
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    It is gone, along with cover flow.

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