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    Mach2 mini vs Bryston

    My brother has the Mach2 mini with the latest in seperate battery
    technologies and I can tell you without a doubt the Bryston is better in every way as far as musicality and music retrieval of the original source sonicly when all cables were the same
    Wireworld Platinum starlight usb, and a Wyrire digital bnc cable with Bybee purifier. I own the bryston and we spent a whole day trying many different things the only way the mach 2 bettered the Bryston was when we used stock cable from staples on the Bryston just to see how far we could degrade it, the bryston dac was also used .

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    Mach2 mini vs Bryston

    I would like to add the Mach 2 was very musical and the latest model the Mach2 2 is an excellent value ,the Bryston is much more extensive if you read up on it it is a discretly built unit using a 4gig buffer- reader than to a highly modifed Angela@ soundcard with a pure class A output section using Very high quality parts
    and having excellent programs Myself using the BD poweramp
    for all my CD ripping and album art. The program goes through my Mac Ipad2 through a Mpad program and all my files are a beautiful collective of cd album cover art on my Seagate 1T usb hard drive.Bryston spent 1,000s
    of hours designing and writting code for this and it makes all music better and music up to 192khz,downloads from HD tracks is fantastic and much more 3 dimentional. Try it personally side to side before making any opinions. Audio adviser for example gives you 30 days to decide for yourself it even upsamples if you choose this option .

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    BDP-1 vs Mach2 validity of comparison

    @paul

    I think in your first post you stated you use the Bryston DAC to do your comparisons? Can you give some details as to how was the Mach2 connected to the DAC? The Bryston DAC's own USB connection is (to be brutal) pretty poor so a direct connection would be a pretty worthless comparison...

    Really any comparison must therefore be refered to as BDP-1 vs Mach2 plus whatever converter was used.

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    And I agree "Trust your ears" but equally don't allow them to fool you - trust them with a bit of skepticism.

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    Paul, the Bryston DAC has a horrible USB input so this

    was not a fair fight....at all! I still believe the BDP-1 may win (it did with me against a great USB) but to compare the BDA-1's SPDIF or AES input driven by a BDP-1 vs coming in USB (regardless of computer server) is not worthwhile IMO. No one has ever said the Bryston BDA-1 USB is anything worth listening to.
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    In sort of the same vein (I

    In sort of the same vein (I hope). Lurked here quite awhile, be great for some pointers please

    Aim to get base Mac Mini 2.3 i5 summer 2011.

    Increase RAM to 8gig. Swap out HD for 66gig Crucial SSD; partition into 2 for dual boot(Lion/Snow Leopard). Clone the original HD and install Lion (so could use mini via plex>HDMI). Other partition install Snow Leopard - need this as Lion doesn't support integer mode (leastways directly to usb Dac).

    Q1 Assume this is do-able;

    Q2. Can I install from Snow Leopard from disc (will use a Macbook as a "target computer - assume can pick up the optical drive this way?). Or do I need to install Leopard first - I have Leopard disc also (or maybe get away with just putting in Leopard serial number. Or do I have to set up Snow Leopard on a pristine usb drive and clone it onto the SSD?

    Q3. Re the NAS server - any difference in using one that streams via ethernet as opposed to firewire? Understand that it is felt inadvisable to have music on an external drive stream by usb with a simultaneous usb DAC (Arcam rDac). Could use NAS some distance away in the house via Cat 5; alternatively could put it in cellar and connect via Firewire 800 to the Mac mini in the room above

    Q4 Re 3 above, any advice re best NAS - assume could maybe run PLEX on the NAS?

    Sorry for so many questions.



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    Snow Leopard on 2011 Mac mini

    Based on everything I've read, installing Snow Leopard on a 2011 Mac mini is going to be a little tricky. (Do a Google search on "install snow leopard on 2011 mac mini".)

    With some luck, maybe integer mode will be supported by the summer. You may also want to evaluate how much you need integer mode. I came to the conclusion that it just wasn't critical for me.

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    Not exactly the comparison


    Not exactly the comparison the OP was looking for, but maybe close enough.

    I don't own the Bryston BDP-1, but I do own the Auraliti PK90 which has the same DNA - namely the genius of Demian Martin.

    In my system, to my ears (IMSTME), Demian's PK90 soundly (no pun intended) bests my tweaked Mac Mini as a source feeding a Wavelength Proton.

    As a point of reference, long-term comparisons between my tweaked Mac Mini and a Mach2 Mini resulted in a draw (i.e. no differences worth noting, and definitely nothing worth $400 investment in the Mach2 software) and I've improved my Mini since.


    Personally, I believe one would have to look long and hard to find a CA source with the combination of value & sonics as the PK90 feeding the Proton. The combo costs about the same as the Mach2 server, even though the Mach2 does NOT include a DAC.

    Hope this helps,

    clay

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    Thanks, think it is hard but

    Thanks, think it is hard but possible, albeit may loose some functionality with a 'retro' Snow Leopard install - thunderbolt.

    Let you now how I Hget on- will play with this weekend. Any advice re a NAS?

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    Auraliti vs. Mach2

    Thanks, Clay, that's very helpful. I think I'm starting to lean towards the Bryston or the Auraliti or the forthcoming Wyred4Sound server (the latter might be a natural fit for my Wyred4Sound DAC2 and Wyred4Sound ST-1000 amp). Have you (or others) found the Auraliti/Byrston easy to use? I'm so accustomed to running iTunes on my mac (yes, I know, I should be using PureAudio or Amarra) that I'm worried another approach might be frustrating. Thanks.
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    Eh? Stick a Snow Leopard

    Eh? Stick a Snow Leopard disk in a DVD attached to the machine, boot the disc, format the disk, and install. What's tricky about that?

    Now, I view this bit about sticking with Snow Leopard as nonsense. Lion freaking sounds better, why go backwards? But that's a different discussion.

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    PK90 - how are you

    PK90 - how are you controlling the device Clay? Any issues at all? I'm kicking myself for not picking one up at the $600 price point.

    -Paul

    1. Main Music: AIFF Library -> Mac Mini i5 (Late 2012) -> MacOS Mavericks -> JRMC 19 -> Kimber USB -> iFi USB Power -> iFi Gemini -?> iFi DSD Micro -> Kimber PJB -> Parasound 2200 Preamp -> Kimber PJB -> Outlaw Audio M2200 Monoblocks -> Nodost Flatline MKII Speaker cables -> Large Advents
    2. Bedroom -> Macbook Pro -> MacOS Mavericks -> JRMC19 -> Audioquest Cinnamon USB -> Wavelength Proton> NAD BEE326 -> Nordost Flatline MKII -> Baby Advents
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    Wyred 4 Sound Server

    From what I understand, the Wyred 4 Sound Server is using some of the guts of the Sonore. I would look at the Sonore very seriously. Not only because Chris C gave it a very positive review, but because Adrian and Jesus are literally top-rate in terms of support. They knew I couldn't buy one (because my 5.5 tb of AIFF and hi-rez files was too much at the present, exceeding their 4 tb cap), they were continually helpful in guiding me toward other solutions. From what I've heard, I don't think you can count on that kind of hands-on support from Bryston (which I know is supposed to sound terrific). I don't know about support from Auraliti.
    MG555

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    Mike, since this is a Bryston BDP-1 thread, and since

    you seemed to disparage Bryston support, I have to interject! James Tanner, Chris and everyone at Bryston has been incredibly supportive, both posting in posting to their forum many times daily, as well as phone and email support.. I'm not sure where your experience with them lies, but I for one will stand up and toot their horn easily.

    This does not say or imply that Jesus and others here are not great, too, but i was slightly surprised by your "from what I've heard I don't think you can count on that kind of hands-on support from Bryston" comment.

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    Support

    I don't think James Tanner (Bryston) posts here but he is very hands-on on Audiocircle.com. Whatever you ask, you usually get an answer from him within a few hours.

    As for Jesus (Sonore) and Demian (Auraliti), both posts here frequently, which, for me at least, is a very good sign and that secures me, who may very well go down the Linux road as some point.

    I knew Bryston already but never heard of neither Sonore nor Auraliti before becoming a member here. The fact that both contribute here with their help and knowledge (and Tanner elsewhere) is a big big plus for me.

    Also, reading both their input here, I never feel a hidden agenda or found them overly opinionated in a odd way as other "designers" here sometimes are. To me, it's a fine line and they never cross It.

    Bottom line, I never actually heard their products but would be 100% trusty of dealing with any of them.


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    Ted B and others: I'm glad

    Ted B and others: I'm glad you're getting great Bryston support. I'm seriously considering buying several of their products -- including the server -- but two friends who are owners of the Bryston server and love the sound and build quality etc. have told me separately that they've felt that Bryston "is a little overwhelmed" in the customer service department specifically with their server. Maybe this is just due to the huge volume of sales and so many users seeking advice. But I very much appreciate the tip about James Tanner's posting at Audiocircle.com and I'll pass that on to my friends. I shake my head laughing only because if I could get any where near the support from HP, Dell and Lenovo (many of whose products I own) than what I got from Sonore (whose products I may very well never own), I would be a very happy camper.
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    Mike, by "server" I assume you mean the BDP-1 music player?

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    Yes, Ted, I'm hearing the

    Yes, Ted, I'm hearing the BDP-1 Music player tomorrow at my friend's (he's very impressed with it and he designs $100k plus speakers and amplifiers as well as being a well-known audio critic so if he's impressed, it must be really something). I'm going to see how the BDP-1 deals with a 4tb drive of AIFF files. If it works well, my search for a server could be over.
    MG555

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    Snow Leopard on 2011 Mac mini

    Paul.Raulerson wrote:

    "Eh? Stick a Snow Leopard disk in a DVD attached to the machine, boot the disc, format the disk, and install. What's tricky about that?"

    Nothing's tricky about the procedure you describe. From what I read, though, if you do this with a 2011 mini, the procedure doesn't work. I'm not saying it's impossible to install Snow Leopard on a 2011 mini, but you have to do the research and overcome some hurdles.

    "Now, I view this bit about sticking with Snow Leopard as nonsense. Lion freaking sounds better, why go backwards? But that's a different discussion."

    Completely agree. I'm running Lion on my 2011 mini and have no complaints. Still, if some people are stuck on wanting/needing integer mode, I can see their dilemma.
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    Well on the two 2011 Mac

    Well on the two 2011 Mac Mini's I have here, there is no big deal installing Snow Leopard. I didn't do it on the internal drive, but I did install it on a couple external drives. No problems at all.

    I do have one Mini that seems to have way too much electrical interference though. Not sure what is causing it, but I am quite suspicious of the HDMI connection. I think I will take it back to the Apple store and have them check it.

    -Paul



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    What James Tanner told me

    I went to visit my friend who loves his Bryston. I brought a 4tb USB drive full of AIFF files. A 1 tb AIFF drive was recognized and played files flawlessly. The 4tb drive hung and hung. After quite a while, we stopped trying and emailed James Tanner at Bryston, who promptly responded and said a) Yes the BDP-1 will play AIFF. and b) – I would not recommend anything over about 2 TB (in terms of HD capacity.)

    MG555

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    Where did you find a 4 TB

    Where did you find a 4 TB hard drive? I can't find any shipping today. The prices on hard drives have skyrocketed as well.

    Neither the BDP-1 nor the Auraliti will support a drive larger than 2 TB today. That may change soon (new Linux kernel etc.) but for now neither will support anything over 2 TB. 2 TB is a whole lot of music and may be clumsy to manage in practice with any system. After a point search is the only way to find content when there is a whole lot of it (when was the last time anyone "browsed" the internet?)
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    Finding a 4tb drive

    You can find a 4tb Western digital My Book by searching Amazon for

    Western Digital My Book Studio II - 4 TB (2 x 2 TB)

    I paid about $240 a couple months ago but because of the flooding in Thailand, prices have skyrocketed and the same drive is now $350 or so. I just picked up a 6tb Western Digital My Book for $350 a few weeks ago and it's now $460 or so. Same search will yield that as an option. Ebay may be cheaper. IT people I know say the prices will be down by about February. (let's hope).

    I can easily organize 4 plus tb of information on Itunes on my 2010 stripped down for music Mac Mini with a SSD and 8gb of RAM and find (relatively) quickly any of the 100,000 plus tracks. I play them through Pure Music optimized for playback.

    So far that seems to be the easiest way I've found to do it (saddled with all AIFF files). I wish now I'd ripped them to WAV where I think I'd have had more options. But I'm sure not about to rip them again. I guess I could run batch conversions but right now, Pure Music sounds excellent so I have no desire to change to another player.
    MG555

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    Its more of an array than a

    Its more of an array than a drive. The interface makes it look like a drive. There are a few issues with those I have seen. The drives are remapped as odd mixes of sectors and sector sizes. This will break older OS's. I will research what options there are for support on Linux.

    You have an a lot of content. AIFF would be a better choice, wave is so inconsistently supported for metadata.
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    I am curious as to the

    I am curious as to the comparison of a mac mini through a usb/spdif device (audiophilleo,offramp,jkeny) versus the Bryston BDP-1 spdif output. I am trying to decide whether to invest in such a converter or to replace the mini with the Bryston that already has spdif output.

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    @ted_b re: BrystonBDP-1

    Did you have any issues with the Bryston reading your external HDD? I had tried one this weekend but received the error message "unsupoorted-FS" in the Bryston screen. I could not get the Bryston MAX or mPad applications to fully see my library. The mPad was asking questions on servers and connections I simply had no clue about. I had tried prior to find screen shots of these interfaces without luck but from what I can see they appear pretty rudimentary. I was told I had to reformat my HDD and recopy my library but I really don't want to mess with that. I need to continue to use that HDD with my Mac for updating and managing my library. Is it necessary to manage two HDD, one for playback from the Bryston and one for managing your library. I wonder if this is targeted more towards PC users than Mac? In any case whether I do or do not have the knowledge necessary to operate the device it may not be as plug 'n' play as I had hoped for. Either my willingness or knowledge to interact with something has to change or I have to wait for this technology to evolve to a more user friendly state.
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