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    CD Transport?

    Would you buy a CD transport today (PS Audio PerfectWave Player) Or just rip all CD's to audio files and use via hard drive or NAS?

    What if your hard drive or NAS fails. What would you use as a backup player?

    Inquiring minds want to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by preproman View Post
    Would you buy a CD transport today
    I bought a used CD player two years ago (did not have much experience with DACs then). Next time I might buy a transport only and feed it into the DAC. I also own vinyl records and I like to be able to play all my formats natively, even if hard disk playback is much more convenient and currently sounds best.

    Quote Originally Posted by preproman View Post
    What if your hard drive or NAS fails. What would you use as a backup player?
    Hard drive failures do not count, I would use a spare disk (directly connected & easily switched). If something needs servicing or is being rebuilt, I use an old netbook (have some boot images lying around for testing) or one of the other sources.
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    I still like having a CD transport (I actually use a blu-ray player) as it's often convenient to pop the CD in there when I first get it. Also when friends bring CDs over I'd rather not rip them.

    Eloise
    ...in my opinion / experience...
    While I agree "Everything may matter" working out what actually affects the sound is a trickier thing.
    And I agree "Trust your ears" but equally don't allow them to fool you - trust them with a bit of skepticism.

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    I bought a PS Audio PWT not only to play CDs (extremely well) but also because it can play hi-res WAV files burnt to DVD. Comparing CD sound quality from the PWT to that from Airplay wirelessly streamed from a Mac, the PWT wins hands down, however the PWT advantage is much less when compared with Itunes+decibel playing via USB/MF V-link192/ Metrum Octave DAC.

    When I bought the PWT 3 years ago I planned, in the longer term, to switch to a server sending CD-quality and hi-res music files wirelessly to my main DAC/amp/speaker system. Unfortunately I discovered by researching here and elsewhere that there are a lot more wrinkles involved in switching to a server than just connecting a NAS. You could avoid these 'wrinkles' by buying a complete system (server + remote player + controller + software) from Naim, Linn, Meridian or others. Not only are these expensive solutions they would probably also duplicate parts of your existing system. Fortunately there are indications that products (PS Audio?) may be available in 2013 at a more moderate cost, which will provide just server/player interface functions that can be added to existing music-server hard disk storage and DAC/amp system elements.

    As regards integrity of storage on hard disc, as has been stated elsewhere on this forum several times, you need a minimum of 3 copies of your complete library: Working library + local copy + physically removed copy.

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    I will always have a transport attached to my system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mav52 View Post
    I will always have a transport attached to my system.
    I always have a (now separate) DVD writer connected to Mac Mini to a Dac2 via USB and an Oppo BDP connected to Dac2 via Atlona HD de-embedder BNC coax (to by-pass Sabre 32 Dacs- 9018) and DA to that to my Dac2. I rip CDs/Hybrid SACDs to auto files and store on a Promise Pegasus Raid 5 12TB (6X2TB) with backups three deep.

    Consequently, all is well in Mt. Idy. I do not wish to disturb any Gremlins who prefer a different outcome.
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    I've been 're-discovering' my stupidly extensive cd collection in recent weeks. Plugged my Cyrus CDxtse into Mytek via SPDIF. Excellent! Had been using the supposed synergy of the Cyrus DacX, but it would not not allow you to over-ride the upsampling to /192. The DacX is fine if I feed say 24/192 from a dvda disc or hd - delivers it natively, according to Cyrus techs. But, cd through the Mytek @ NOS is great, especially on good DR discs (eg. just played Sun Ra's "Greatest Hits - Easy Listening For Intergalactic Travel" with DR of 11 to 14. Fantastic 'weight' to most of it).
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    Single-disc replay - well antiquated!

    Quote Originally Posted by preproman View Post
    Would you buy a CD transport today (PS Audio PerfectWave Player) Or just rip all CD's to audio files and use via hard drive or NAS?

    What if your hard drive or NAS fails. What would you use as a backup player?

    Inquiring minds want to know.
    Being the miserable git that I am, I would be thinking very carefully about the amount of money I was about to spend on spinning a disc. The DVD players in my computers are fine for now. With the aluminium layer within CDs starting to corrode at around the ten year mark they'll need to be archived at some point anyway, so may as well do it now in my opinion.

    I have all my FLAC albums on my desktop computer. They are also backed-up twice on two cheap consumer-type NAS drives. A further copy is kept outwith the house. Disc failures are inevitable and just part of life so no big deal, a new HDD or NAS to latest specification would be purchased at the time of failure.

    Surely we can't be too far away from affordable storage containing no moving parts whatsoever, by which I mean 5-10 TB solid state storage. Polycarbonate discs are dead, and I might be wrong about this, but I just can't imagine CD players ever being attractive to the romantics in the same way as a transcription turntable, but you never know.

    A network player accessing a NAS is so cheap and easy to set-up and use, you have to wonder what we were all thinking about with single-disc replay; well antiquated!
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    Quote Originally Posted by John R Leddy View Post
    but I just can't imagine CD players ever being attractive to the romantics in the same way as a transcription turntable, but you never know.

    !
    Kinda like my cd player and my turntable but I think my TT is a little more attractive
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    Quote Originally Posted by mav52 View Post
    Kinda like my cd player and my turntable but I think my TT is a little more attractive
    Yea. At least there's engineering on display with a turntable. I picture CD players being discarded like old VCRs, and if I dare say it, "Good riddance!" Perhaps that's a little harsh, because they did serve their purpose at the time, it's just they're so old hat now. I choose All Tracks and Shuffle on my network player; the convenience and sound quality of streaming works for me.
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    Romantic CD players

    I can actually think of several CD players with very tactile mechanisms which could be considered romantic: all Naim players for starters and there is Copland's top of the range for another. I'm sure the list is much more extensive than that too...
    ...in my opinion / experience...
    While I agree "Everything may matter" working out what actually affects the sound is a trickier thing.
    And I agree "Trust your ears" but equally don't allow them to fool you - trust them with a bit of skepticism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Audio_ELF View Post
    I can actually think of several CD players with very tactile mechanisms which could be considered romantic: all Naim players for starters and there is Copland's top of the range for another. I'm sure the list is much more extensive than that too...
    Hi Eloise,

    It was turntable owners I called romantics, but I see where you're coming from, CD players could be considered romantic too. Please don't think I'm being argumentative when I say once you've lived with a Linn sliver of billet disc drawer, all things plastic, especially those involving manual manipulation, just seem tacky. I respect others may have a different opinion to mine.

    Having been that guy with long hair in a greatcoat with LPs under his arm, I must say a USB stick is way more convenient. I usually carry about a 100 albums in my pocket. I can plug-in my music when travelling in the car or visiting friends, but let me say this wouldn't matter if the sound quality wasn't there as well.

    As far as mediums for transporting music goes, I have no romantic notions whatsoever concerning the past, and find it very easy to shed the old and embrace the new. I consider the old as clunky and noisy, possessing inherent problems by design, which the new surpasses with ease and aplomb. Bring it on, I say.

    All the best,

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    CD Players are dinosaurs - even the PS

    Quote Originally Posted by preproman View Post
    Would you buy a CD transport today (PS Audio PerfectWave Player)
    Or just rip all CD's to audio files and use via hard drive or NAS?
    NO, I would newer buy a CD Player, they are dinosaurs.
    They sounded like shit for decades, now some copy-cats sound as good as the computers they mimic.


    Quote Originally Posted by preproman View Post
    What if your hard drive or NAS fails. What would you use as a backup player?
    Backup, backup, backup.
    I run a Promise Pegasus 6TB (6 x 1TB) RAID 5, so one disk may burn without loosing data.
    Supplemented with 2 extra backups - one on premises and one stored at a friends place.
    Lastly a ton of CD/DVD/Bluray's in the basement.

    Sound quality, surround sound, convenience, speed and safety in one convenient package.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John R Leddy View Post
    It was turntable owners I called romantics, but I see where you're coming from, CD players could be considered romantic too. Please don't think I'm being argumentative when I say once you've lived with a Linn sliver of billet disc drawer, all things plastic, especially those involving manual manipulation, just seem tacky. I respect others may have a different opinion to mine.
    I think we're in quite close agreement here... While I use a tacky plastic tray type drive - mostly for bluray and DVDs not CDs - there is just something so solid about a Naim transport (never used a Linn).

    I am romantic about vinyl though I'm sure it's all rose tinted memories...

    Eloise

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    Call me sentimental then!!
    I have now gone back to Cd's. Using a meridian 808.3. Tried the Weiss and a few other for almost 5 years; as much as I like the conveniance I refuse to kid myself anymore.
    My defence is that I never went Vinyl. I am and want to be as modern as I can be. But I am an audiophile first and I am not acepting the shit about CAS being better....Before you flame me, That is me, for me , by me....
    Yet I am still looking for the better CAS system to trounce fantastic CDP's...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Audio_ELF View Post
    I am romantic about vinyl though I'm sure it's all rose tinted memories...
    Eloise,

    I share this sentiment as well; then I snap, crackle, and pop my way back to down Arda again.

    As far as Linn goes, I've adopted another's opinion, "Linn, some of the world's best sources, adequate loudspeakers, and can't build an amplifier for toffee!"

    I've never owned a Naim component. When I came to the conclusion I wasn't going to upgrade to Linn's Klimax range, I had a look at the Naim website but came across a Power-Line Mains Cable costing £450.00 and simply laughed my way out of there. All credibility disappeared in an instant, and I realised I'd been harbouring a misguided respect for that particular company. I've got a friend with an old olive system so I can appreciate the attraction of Naim, but they're not getting my money, that's for sure.

    All the best,

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    Quote Originally Posted by digipete View Post
    no, i would newer buy a cd player, they are dinosaurs.
    They sounded like shit for decades, now some copy-cats sound as good as the computers they mimic.

    r.....i....g.....h......t.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DigiPete View Post
    They sounded like shit for decades...
    Don't you be mincing your words Pete. Why don't you tell us what you really think!

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    What CD player or transport you have in mind, my friend?... Please let me know what are you comparing, even if in retrospect, to what.

    Quote Originally Posted by DigiPete View Post
    NO, I would newer buy a CD Player, they are dinosaurs.
    They sounded like shit for decades, now some copy-cats sound as good as the computers they mimic.




    Backup, backup, backup.
    I run a Promise Pegasus 6TB (6 x 1TB) RAID 5, so one disk may burn without loosing data.
    Supplemented with 2 extra backups - one on premises and one stored at a friends place.
    Lastly a ton of CD/DVD/Bluray's in the basement.

    Sound quality, surround sound, convenience, speed and safety in one convenient package.