• Vox Loop Music Locker - Unlimited & Lossless


    Yesterday Amazon launched its unlimited Cloud Drive and today Coppertino, the company who created the Vox music application for OS X, announced it will soon be releasing what it calls the Loop Music Locker. The Loop Music Locker is pretty cool in that it's built right into the Vox player, will upload nearly any type of lossless audio format including FLAC, APE, ALAC, AIFF, WAV, for a total of 43 formats, store unlimited amounts of data in the cloud, and enable users to stream this content in full lossless quality. In a way this is like a mix of Amazon Cloud Drive and TIDAL HIFI with the exception that it only contains the music one owns (no subscription music). Streaming from the cloud to the Vox Mac app and Vox iOS app are supported as is offline caching, just like TIDAL. Loop Music Locker will cost $49.99 per year or $4.99 per month.

    Readers looking for a peak at the beta version of the Loop Music Locker can sign up HERE.

    A big thanks to Mac Rumors for getting the scoop on this one!

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    UPDATE: I just tested uploading high resolution PCM up through 24 bit / 192 kHz and playing it back on my iPhone 6+. It uploads to the cloud and plays from the cloud without issue. I'm not sure the iPhone isn't resampling it to a lower resolution but at least it plays. Here are screenshots. Note the "Hi-Res" and the sample rate on the top of the image.

    Update 2: Coppertino just confirmed the iPhone is hardware resampling all high resolution music.


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    Comments 27 Comments
    1. ted_b's Avatar
      ted_b -
      Chris,
      I can't find what the storage limitations are, nor the sample rates allowed. I see this as a nice luxury when, say, travelling. on vacation and wanting to play MUCH more than what is on my portable IOS device (iphone or ipad). Maybe that's a problem already solved elsewhere?

      I want to ask a much broader question (and expose my portable music inexperience; I listen very seldom to my iphone): is there a solution for local IOS streaming or NAS access (say up in bedroom on treadmill and want access to more of my stored music, via iphone, than is stored on my 32GB iphone)? I feel like it's a simple solution, but can't seem to get my mind around it.
    1. The Computer Audiophile's Avatar
      The Computer Audiophile -
      Quote Originally Posted by ted_b View Post
      Chris,
      I can't find what the storage limitations are, nor the sample rates allowed. I see this as a nice luxury when, say, travelling. on vacation and wanting to play MUCH more than what is on my portable IOS device (iphone or ipad). Maybe that's a problem already solved elsewhere?

      I want to ask a much broader question (and expose my portable music inexperience; I listen very seldom to my iphone): is there a solution for local IOS streaming or NAS access (say up in bedroom on treadmill and want access to more of my stored music, via iphone, than is stored on my 32GB iphone)? I feel like it's a simple solution, but can't seem to get my mind around it.
      Hi Ted - Storage is unlimited. I'm uploading music right now. I will let you know about sample rates.

      If you want to stream to your iOS device from within your house just use JRemote and select This Device. It will stream right to you lossless.
    1. fritzg's Avatar
      fritzg -
      Hmmm. This is interesting. Makes one wonder what Apple will be announcing in June re their re-launch of Beats.
    1. ted_b's Avatar
      ted_b -
      Does it upload any better/faster than the Amazon Cloud drive service?
    1. fritzg's Avatar
      fritzg -
      Quote Originally Posted by ted_b View Post
      I want to ask a much broader question (and expose my portable music inexperience; I listen very seldom to my iphone): is there a solution for local IOS streaming or NAS access (say up in bedroom on treadmill and want access to more of my stored music, via iphone, than is stored on my 32GB iphone)? I feel like it's a simple solution, but can't seem to get my mind around it.
      What NAS do you have?
    1. The Computer Audiophile's Avatar
      The Computer Audiophile -
      Just tested high resolution and it works. See the update in the article.
    1. ted_b's Avatar
      ted_b -
      Quote Originally Posted by fritzg View Post
      What NAS do you have?
      Synology DS1513+ and DX513
    1. fritzg's Avatar
      fritzg -
      Thanks, Chris. Really appreciating your recent articles and testing of these services.

      If the iOS devices are not downsampling this could be another interesting alternative to the Aries if combined with the camera connection kit.
    1. fritzg's Avatar
      fritzg -
      Quote Originally Posted by ted_b View Post
      Synology DS1513+ and DX513
      You can use AudioStation and DSAudio to stream on your iphone. Very nice turnkey solution. You can even download to your iPhone for offline listening (planes, trains and automobiles).
    1. JR_Audio's Avatar
      JR_Audio -
      Native Sample Rate

      Hi Chris. I have not iPhone 6 yet, but I have tested the previous iPhones 3, 3s, 4, 4s, 5 and 5s. With later iOS they can easily play back natively and bit true PCM192 or DSD64 via CCK to an external DAC yes, but not through the internal DAC, that is limited to 48k and 24 Bit. Are you sure the app doesn't just show the sample rate of the source file? With some apps like Onkyo HF Player or Flac Player you can distinguish between the sample rate of the source file and the sample rate of the output, so I can clearly see that the 192kHz files, does play 192k with external DACs, but is sample rate converted to 48k, when played through the internal DAC. Maybe this is different with the iPhone 6, but I am not aware of.

      Best Regards
      Juergen
    1. The Computer Audiophile's Avatar
      The Computer Audiophile -
      Quote Originally Posted by JR_Audio View Post
      Native Sample Rate

      Hi Chris. I have not iPhone 6 yet, but I have tested the previous iPhones 3, 3s, 4, 4s, 5 and 5s. With later iOS they can easily play back natively and bit true PCM192 or DSD64 via CCK to an external DAC yes, but not through the internal DAC, that is limited to 48k and 24 Bit. Are you sure the app doesn't just show the sample rate of the source file? With some apps like Onkyo HF Player or Flac Player you can distinguish between the sample rate of the source file and the sample rate of the output, so I can clearly see that the 192kHz files, does play 192k with external DACs, but is sample rate converted to 48k, when played through the internal DAC. Maybe this is different with the iPhone 6, but I am not aware of.

      Best Regards
      Juergen
      Hi Juergen - I can't tell what's going on. My guess is it's be resampled but I really can't tell.
    1. The Computer Audiophile's Avatar
      The Computer Audiophile -
      According to the Coppertino guys the iPhone is hardware resampling anything over 24 but / 48 kHz.
    1. SVinTO's Avatar
      SVinTO -
      Quote Originally Posted by The Computer Audiophile View Post
      According to the Coppertino guys the iPhone is hardware resampling anything over 24 but / 48 kHz.
      I went ahead and got the email invitation from Coppertino, but the apps aren't really working. In my case, the desktop app doesn't see iTunes and based on the numerous complaints in their site forum going back several versions, this is obviously an ongoing issue they have not solved.
    1. The Computer Audiophile's Avatar
      The Computer Audiophile -
      Quote Originally Posted by SVinTO View Post
      I went ahead and got the email invitation from Coppertino, but the apps aren't really working. In my case, the desktop app doesn't see iTunes and based on the numerous complaints in their site forum going back several versions, this is obviously an ongoing issue they have not solved.
      Did you download the desktop version from the beta site, not the Coppertino site?
    1. SVinTO's Avatar
      SVinTO -
      Quote Originally Posted by The Computer Audiophile View Post
      Did you download the desktop version from the beta site, not the Coppertino site?
      Not sure, to be honest. I just clicked the link in the email invite I received. Which is the preferred site/version?
    1. The Computer Audiophile's Avatar
      The Computer Audiophile -
      Quote Originally Posted by SVinTO View Post
      Not sure, to be honest. I just clicked the link in the email invite I received. Which is the preferred site/version?
      The beta version is required to log into Loop. Do you have the Loop login in the preferences?
    1. SVinTO's Avatar
      SVinTO -
      Quote Originally Posted by The Computer Audiophile View Post
      The beta version is required to log into Loop. Do you have the Loop login in the preferences?
      The problem is with the Vox desktop application for Mac. It either hangs on start up or can't find iTunes. So I'm unable to upload any music to even test the iPhone app.

      I'll remove everything and start over, but as I said, their support forum is full of similar complaints going back several versions.
    1. ednaz's Avatar
      ednaz -
      Not Windows ready, and while looking around to see if or when that would be the case, I found a lot of posts about how its reliance on iTunes means that FLAC is a bit of a workaround; more than one import process. At that point, it became hard to look at Vox since I've currently got streaming from my JRiver music server at home, can download and/or stream from the road. I had hopes, since the only thing I use my server for is music - JRiver is complex enough (because of all the things it can do) that my wife shies away from it. The VOX user interface is lovely and clean. I also hoped that if it was going to depend so heavily on iTunes, it would have the FLAC integration be seamless. Guess I'll hang out and watch it develop.
    1. The Computer Audiophile's Avatar
      The Computer Audiophile -
      Quote Originally Posted by ednaz View Post
      Not Windows ready, and while looking around to see if or when that would be the case, I found a lot of posts about how its reliance on iTunes means that FLAC is a bit of a workaround; more than one import process. At that point, it became hard to look at Vox since I've currently got streaming from my JRiver music server at home, can download and/or stream from the road. I had hopes, since the only thing I use my server for is music - JRiver is complex enough (because of all the things it can do) that my wife shies away from it. The VOX user interface is lovely and clean. I also hoped that if it was going to depend so heavily on iTunes, it would have the FLAC integration be seamless. Guess I'll hang out and watch it develop.
      What do you mean by its FLAC integration isn't seamless? It plays FLAC files no problem and I don't have it integrated with iTunes at all.
    1. SVinTO's Avatar
      SVinTO -
      Vox Help responded and instructed me to uninstall the desktop app using AppCleaner and then redownloading and installing from a link they provided.

      The new version still didn't load iTunes.

      Then Vox Help instructed me to load iTunes from WITHIN Vox preferences and this worked.

      Now if I could just figure out how to upload music to I'm synced with my phone!